Cabbott From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 497 posts, RR: 4 Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
Just want to share my experiences with you. Not a review but some things for you to thing about.
After many years being a SONY supporter I finally decided to go DSLR Digital. Around 1 month ago Canon revealed a new Digital SLR camera which was based on the highly successful EOS 300 camera and incorporated is a similar CMOS to the 10D. The price was under 1000 Pounds and with a lens!
http://www. dpreview.com gave a rave review and a recommend for the EOS-300D. Having some cash I decided what the hell. The 10D was just to much out of the price range for me and since this was a first DSLR I thought the EOS-300D would fit me perfectly. How right I was. I thought about the horror 10D order story's and the availability issues but then I read Canon had changed production methods and increased and was determined to win the DSLR pre £1000 war.
As usual the US receive the product first and it seems it hit the streets 2 weeks before the UK arrival. I pre ordered it from a UK stockist at a very fair price but I was disappointed to see Jessops and Dixon's lagging behind on pre orders. The promise was delivery starting 22nd Sep. The morning of 23rd the camera arrived.
Opening the box I was surprised how light the body was. The way it was designed was good but as everyone has talked about the body plastic was there. However! I felt the camera was a solid build and the body plastic felt comfortable and its looks were not as bad as everyone made out. Inside the box was the EFS 18-55MM lens, BP511 Bat, Bat Charger,Strap, Software and USB connections. Everything was packed nicely and the instructions, warranty and accessory information was all there.
The first photo is always the worst, or at least it has been for me and my Digitial Cameras and the EOS-300D was no exception. It was dark, out of focus and just a joke. The lens (which costs around 100$ than the body) was great and a good piece of glass producing good/very good images. I have tried the 10D and I found this camera much lighter but less pretty to look at but lets face it the worst looking cameras can produce the best looking images!
As a ex Point and Shoot person I have allot to learn and the first door that has been opened to me is the ISO settings and the reduced noise levels. Then I discover the aperture goes very high. Man what a lot to learn.
I have had it since the 23rd and I am now producing some cracking (non aviation) images which are clear and crisp. I hope to have some aviation shots when I return to work but for now I'm practising on things around me no matter how boring they are.
For those of you here who has 1000 pounds to spend, go get one of these. I'm pretty sure you will not regret it. Many of you here and DPreview will say NO go get the 10D but to be honest I was talking to a guy in Jessops yesterday, he was a real nerd! but he knew his stuff. He said he did a test on the guys at work. A image from the 10D and the EOS-300D and not one of them could tell which was which. Just a example to show how close these cameras are.
I would like to thank the guys here who helped me with lens questions and operating questions.
Enjoy photography and your hobby. Images to come soon.
Mirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3120 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3326 times:
What about at an airshow, shooting 4 frames of a high speed low pass and then have to wait that the buffer saves to the memory card. Shooting static objects is one thing, action shots is another thing.
Mia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3315 times:
Hey I'm right there with you....point and shoot one day and DSLR the next (i still switch back and forth because my stepfather and I both use the camera). The 300D is much different but I am sure once I get used to it my shots will be so much better! Good Luck!
Also--I think the camera can buffer some 5 or 6 shots which is plenty for me...
Mia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3303 times:
Someone told me 5 or 6...I have done four and looking back I think I remember it writing and how annoying it was but I hardly do that anyways and I have yet to shoot military...or anything REALLY fast...
Bronko From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 805 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
Are you coming from a Sony F7x7 Colin? That is what I currently use, and am looking at the 300D, 10D, and Nikon D100. Please keep us up to date, and post some aviation pictures as soon as you are able to. I have a personal webpage I could host some samples on if you (or any other 300D user) would like.
Cabbott From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 497 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3032 times:
A update from me about the EOS300D. Many people have questions or are just browsing so I thought I would share some thoughts.
The Kit Lens
After hundreds of shots I came to the conclusion that this lens is basically a strong selling point for Canon. Its a boxed nearly everything you need type of product. However the quality is average/poor depending on your light conditions and situation. I mean for a lens less than the $100 difference it is a remarkable lens and something which I will never sell and continue to use.
Canon EF 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens
I needed something to replace the kit lens and I tried this on from the 10D and it was awesome. Really good glass and one major step above the Kit Lens. The quality and the IS mode blows you away. Take a look at http://www.photographyreview.com to learn some more. Click on Top 5 Lenses.
The EOS300D has 2 set parameters, one which is the same as the 10D (Parameter 2) and the other which has had its colour tones and saturated increased (Parameter 1). It also comes with 3 pre set by the user parameters. Very handy but to be honest Adobe will do a better job but. I'm coming from the F707 and the colours on most Sony models were saturated and after 2 years I have enjoyed eye candy and I find it hard to settle down to natural colours again. I found that nearly 70% of my images required Post Image changes. Unsharp Mask and for me colour balance increase.
I actually found a program which is very nice. It does batch Sharpening, or another Post Image requirement you want. The web site http://www.photocleaner.com/home.html Try download the trail.
Widebodiedlee From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 119 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2963 times:
I bought the 300d over the weekend and had a few hours by the rotation point on Runway 24L at MAN on Sunday and a few shots are in the upload queue. ( or see www.planepictures.net )Most shots were taken in P mode and the results were very good. Fast focusing times and shot to shot times. I need to learn more about the Parameter settings and keep taking test shots here at MAN. I also purchased a second hand Canon 70-200 f4L to go with the 300D and most of my shots on Sunday were taken with that.
All opinions stated above are my own, not my Companys'
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
I too have had a first hand experience with the new Rebel. I must admit it is more solid then I imagined it to be. It focused far better then the 1d they had on the shelf next to it (!), and other then the color (dark silver) there is not much to distinguish it from the rest of the Canon line I have tried.
The controls felt odd to me, but that is from a year's worth of the D100. I am considering the purchase of one for my wife who is taking an interest in photography, but who does not like the weight of my Nikon with a heavy zoom on the end of it. This camera felt light, and seems well suited for some of the less serious lenses available. It seems like a good deal set up for somebody wanting a digital SLR body and does not need or desire "all the bells and whistles" for $500-600 more, or the ruggedness and weight of a titanium body. My reservation with buying one would be what is on the Canon horizon 4-6 months from now?
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 659 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
My reservation with buying one would be what is on the Canon horizon 4-6 months from now?
Good question! My guess is that this will be the "entry level" DSLR for some time ... the new Pentax and Olympus do not appear able to reach this price point (though that could change). I'd guess Canon have a good year's mileage out of this one.
I think next up will be the camera many people have been asking for since the D30 was released ie. a model based on the EOS 3 specification. This might fill the big (price) gap between the 10D and the 1Ds. Perhaps with a 10D type sensor for around 2K or possibly an 8mp 1.3 crop sensor at around 2.5 - 3K.
I see this camera addressing issues that serious photographers are finding with the 10D - excessive frame crop, lack of spot meter, less than top of the line AF - I for one would welcome the EOS 3's f8 AF capability! I imagine there are now a considerable number of D30/D60 users who want to upgrade, but can't afford the 1Ds and don't feel the 10D offers a sufficiently big step up.
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52 Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
I didn't know the 10d didn't have a spot meter! I use my spot meter a ton on the D100. The nice thing (for me anyway) was the omission of that damn "wheel" selector like the back of the d60/10d had. I thought it felt kind of flimsy. The 300d has a button arrangement similar to the D100's selector which felt "right" to me.
I would think someone interested in a 10d would find many, many similarities with the 300d/digital Rebel, and far fewer differences to justify the additional $500-$600 bucks. Take that "left over" $500-$600 bucks and throw it towards a lens, a nice bag and some accesories. You might even have enough left over to take your significant other out for dinner and a movie!
Marco_polo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 324 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
For most aviation photography you wouldn't have to use spot metering if not at all. Spot metering is limited to 3% of the view from point of focus. Using this type of metering mode can unpreditably under or over-expose aircraft body quite easily. Unless photographer is using it for light and shadow photography where there are high contrast it probably isn't much use for aviation photographer. The closet thing to Spot on the 10D is partial. It is confine to 9% of the focus point. Pretty much you can use it the same way as spot. Both has shown to give similar exposure setting.
In terms of money in comparison between 300D and 10D, for beginner DSLR it is probably worth to go with 300D and spend good money on lense. But there are still good amount of significant differences between 300D and 10D and as pro-user this would still be the choice.
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 659 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
Funny - I love that wheel selector
Spot meter I miss though - 10D has a 9% "partial" meter.
I would think someone interested in a 10d would find many, many similarities with the 300d/digital Rebel
You might be right - the 10D has a few advantages over the 300D, and I suspect the 300D has been slightly crippled regarding flexibility - but how significant this is will vary from photographer to photographer. The important thing is the 300D seems capable of producing images which match the 10D.
Maybe the 10D will be discontinued and the upmarket replacement would come in at 1.5 - 2K
Glennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 55 Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2523 times:
I for one would welcome the EOS 3's f8 AF capability!
What restriction do the 10D and 300D have on auto focus with respect to f-stop. I was reading in another post that the 10D doesn't focus with the 2x tele convertor and f5.6 and above.... but couldn't figure out if that is the case or not.
Respected users.... If my replies are useful, then by all means...
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 659 posts, RR: 17 Reply 25, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
The 10D, D30, D60 and 300D have a AF system requiring a maximum effective lens aperture of f5.6 or better. If adding a convertor reduces the effective aperture to f8 or less, AF will not work. That's the short answer.
In fact, things are a little more complex than that - the AF system is essentially an optical device which uses edge contrast to perform its magic - we've all noted how lighting conditions can affect AF even with fast lenses, and the f5.6 cut off is actually an arbitrary figure, engineered into the system - the lens tells the camera "I'm not f5.6 or better" and the camera says "well sod the AF then".
In fact, were it not for this limitation, there are conditions where the camera could AF (if it were allowed) however, performance would be poor and unreliable, hence Canon have put in a cut off point. Canon convertors have pins on the mount which communicate the effective f stop to the camera - if you cover these pins with tape, the camera will attempt to AF, though in most cases this will just result in a lot of hunting.
Confusion on this issue arises because some cheap 3rd party converters do not provide 100% compatible mounts and cannot tell the camera the effective aperture. Hence you sometimes see statements like "el cheapo convertor lets me use AF but Canon can't"