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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3237 times:
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Tonight I was trying out some action shots around sunset. I set ISO to 400 and fired away. However, practically all got rejected. Can one really expect the same sharpness under these conditions? What about grain, I'm under the impression that my camera produces too much of it at this setting...
What's the alternative, no photos of this kind at all?

Feedback and tips on how to do better are highly appreciated!

http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141956
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141958
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141964
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141951
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141946
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141968
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/netshow.cgi?141952




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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Some pretty cool shots there.

141956: Nope. Simply dark. Nose is soft.

141958: I really like this one. It might make it in as-is, but it would really be a star if you could get the plane a LITTLE sharper IMHO.

141964: Same as the Thai, although it looks more blurry - it wouldn't make it without a little work.

141951: Watch out for those jaggies, especially around the tail. Unfortunately, the lack of contrast between the plane and the backgroud, due to the poor light, make it a bit "blah"

141946: This might be worth something. Try saturating the hell out of the colors, and toning down the blue. Play with it, and you might come out with something cool.

141968: Brilliant! Looks like the engines are on fire. Might want to clone out that blur on the left wingtip.

141952: The interior lighting is rather neat, but overall it does not look sharp enough to avoid a baddark, I think.

Hope that helps,

Charles




User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Agree with Charles for the most part, except:

141964 - waaaay too soft / blury. Doubt its salvageable because more sharpness will make the scan and grain worse - there's already elements of badscan in it

141968 - yes, nice pic, but as with the Aer Lingus unless you can get more definition into the titles and logo, it just looks "soft". Lens flare must go too

Andy



User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3129 times:
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Thanks a lot for the feedback!
It seems some are not a total writeoff, so I'll try to improve them with the tips you gave.
I'm just wondering, is this amount of grain normal at 400ISO?

Konstantin



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User currently offlineHisham From Lebanon, joined Aug 1999, 701 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

10D or film 400 ISO?

If it's the 10D, that's way too much noise. I only get that much noise when I underexpose then brighten in photoshop. Did you make large exposure adjustments?
Hisham.


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3079 times:
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It was 400 ISO with the 10D.
What do you mean by large exposure adjustments?



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User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Did you use Photoshop to incredibly brighten op the pics? That way Noise could form.

Wietse



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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Wietse has a point, when we have dark images and try to increase brightness, all the noise is extraordinarily increased also.

Luis


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
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No I didn't brighten them up substantially... I know this problem from other situations...


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User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 738 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Certainly way too much noise for 10D at 400ISO - even 800ISO should be better. I suspect you are underexposing (possibly metering is being overly influenced by the bright light sources) which always increases noise - you may need to dial in some exposure compensation.

I think some test shots with careful reference to the histogram display will be the secret to success. I would suggest that you accept "blown highlights" in the bright light sources (there's no detail to be seen in these anyway) and try and get the main subject a bit brighter.

I think your main problem is going to be "sensor flare" - take a look at the lenses you have avaible to you and try and concentrate on those with a deeply recessed rear element.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
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I have to admit, I never thought so far or tried anything like what Colin proposes. Still a lot to learn for me...

K.



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Konstantin,

Good thing is you're prepared try new things, and then to listen to and learn from experts like Colin. Some of our contributors faced with a similar situation to yours having tried something new (ie. a few rejections) would throw their toys out of the pram and not play anymore.

Good luck with your next efforts...

Andy


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Konstantin,
your lucky I screened those pictures. Perhaps "kiltman" would have rejected them. I liked the creative part of your pictures and thought they would make an interesting addition to the database. I think I even asked you at one point if they had been shot at 800 iso, I found there was a lot of grain on those pictures.

Hope you can go and try some other similar shots, like with anything it takes some time to get it right...

Cheers,
Tim


User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

tim you should have mentioned that you screened them on the other site not here Big grin
Peter



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
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Andy, throwing out my toys? Never...
Tim, thanks for the effort "over there"...



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