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Is This Shot Artistic?  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Is this shot artistic? What do you think? Most have told me, that it will definately be accepted. What do you guys think? I know its not the greatest quality, but its pretty decent for the type of shot that it is.



Kind regards.


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

It's nice but I don't know about artistic. And as you mentioned yourself, the quality isn't too good.

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This picture has alot of dust and is a bit unsharp, but it sure is artistic. Big grin

Thom@s



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3917 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Art is subjective. I would say it is more dramatic, that artistic. Still a good (albeit a bit soft) shot!

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineEDIpic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Hi BA

A wee bit soft, could be motion blur.
Also, your on the dark side. The sun is illuminating
the other side.
It's powerful. Keep going!
I'm going to try some shots like that over the next few weeks.

Cheer

Gerry


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Would it be accepted? Or rejected?


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
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Hi

Artistic...yes.....grainy and blurry......another yes.

Just an honest opinion so don't take it to heart  Smile

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland


User currently offlineFastGlass From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Why don't you just upload them and find out, instead of flooding the forum with marginal pictures? No offense intended, but this forum was not designed to be a pre-upload screening room.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

As Gary said, it is very dramitic, yet it could be rejected for blurriness. I would try a rescan to sharpen it up, and then upload it.

Jeff


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

I agree with fastglass on the aspect that you just should upload it and then see what happens.

Even though the shot is dramatic not artistic I am sure it will be rejected for bluriness.

Vasco


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Hey BA,

Keep trying. As FastGlass and AKE0404AR hinted, you might want to relax a little and see what happens. However, you are using this forum for why it is here - seeking advise on improving your photos and this is a good thing. You have received some positive criticism from some very good photographers in your posts. Put it to use and I am sure you will soon have photos accepted by this site.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

I submitted it before I posted this post.


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFastGlass From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Then why did you post it here again? The pics are either accepted or rejected. We are all capable of seeing the accepted images. You need to 'focus' on your best shots and not dwell on the ones that may or may not be added to the database in advance.

User currently offlineEdipic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

BA

1) Check and see if your software has "Reduce Graininess" or equivalent: use a little of that, not too much.
2) Lift the midtones (curve: middle: very slightly)
because you are facing the dark side.
3) Then sharpen it a bit more.
4) Resubmit it to a.net using the same ****.jpg
file name.
It should over-write the previous one
you sent up. I've done that before.

It's no gurantee that the webmaster will accept it
but you should always try and better it. Don't stand
still and reckon that your scanner does all the hard work.

Gerry.


User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

BA, fastglass is right man, this is about the 50th post you've started on similar subjects.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? what WE think doesnt really matter. If it is a good picture then we will all eventually see it here anyway. and if it sucks, then a good report in this post dont mean jack crap.

An "artistic" shot is in the eye of the beholder. If YOU think its artistic, then it is. Its that simple. But if you posted the picture to determine our opinions of its quality, well, that topic has been beat to death....

Do you still have that email i wrote you? go read it again... i know your gonna post something arguing with me, and im telling you right now you might as well save your breath, cuz no one really cares... i've tried many times already to help you.

Aloha,
CHRIS





PS. *looking into crystal ball...* its gonna get rejected...


User currently offlineScooter From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Chris28_17 nailed it: an "artistic" shot is only artistic if you, the photographer, want it that way.

Anyway, I too think that this will not get accepted. The only way I can decribe why is this (and I apologize in advance for the...uh...reference): You know how some adult magazines zoom in TOO much...and it's kinda hard to figure out what you're looking at? So much so that it's not even sexy anymore? Well, your UA 737 shot suffers from that same "closeness" problem.  Wink/being sarcastic Every time I look at it I find myself moving away from my monitor...

You almost nailed a beautiful shot though. If you were on the lit side of the aircraft, and we could see just a little more, this would have been really cool.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Chris28_17,
If you don't want to answer my question. Don't answer it! You don't have to tell me that this is the 50th post, and all that. That was not my question. Don't go off topic. Thank you for your comments though.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

FastGlass,
Either answer my question, or don't say anything at all. I am not forcing you to reply. But don't go off and criticise what I post. Because this forum isn't for that. This forum is for Aviation Photography Forum. Not "Posts you shouldn't post Forum." If you think I am the only one who posts these topics, well I am not. I have seen MANY others who do. So go tell them, before you tell me.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

All I wanted was to here some of your opinions. NOT just Johan's opinion.

If you don't want me to ask your opinions, well than I'm sorry. I'll never come to the forum ever again.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3917 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

I think that some of you guys are being a little hard on BA. C'mon, give the guy a break, he is new to this and if I were in his position, I would be asking for as much info and or opinions as I could get.

In essence that is why this forum exists, to ask and gather information about two of our passions photography and aviation. Lets not lose what one day may be a very good photographer.

In my opinion, as I said earlier this is certainly a dramatic shot, but whether it will be added...well there is a chance, but due to the softness of the shot, I would not hold my breath.

I believe that you are using a Pentax system. I am not certain about their AF lineup, but my very first 35mm camera was a Pentax K-1000, waaaaaaay back in the 70s, this was (and still is in my opinion) the best camera to learn the basics of photogrphy from, no AF, no auto anything I think many of the younger photogs today would do well to start from a camera such as this or the Nikon FM2 (I can't believed that I just promoted a Nikon product, a die hard Canon user). What lens did you use to shoot this plane ? a 70-200 (or something in that neighborhood) 5.6 zoom-tele ? I am very skeptical of these variable apature medium to long zooms, frankly they are not the sharpest lenses out there. I suggest when you progress with your photography (aviation or whatever) and have a little extra cash look in to buying a fixed apature (70-200 2.8) zoom-tele ( I am not certain whether Pentax has such a lens, but the 3rd party makers such as Tokina, Tamrom, Sigma do for the Pentax AF mount) or better a fixed focal lens, say a 300mm f4, these are tack sharp optics, I guarentee that once you start shooting with better optics will never look look at those cheap tele-zooms the same way again.

Also start shooting slide film asap, once you nail slide photography, although slides are a very unforgiving film, but once you master this medium, your acceptance rate will certainly increase.

Good luck and don't give up on this forum.

Thomas




"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineDsmav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

BA,

Take it easy, I think you are taking some of these comments too personally. However, I do agree that our opinions really won't determine whether or not your photos will be accepted. Getting advice from other people is VERY important, but that is all it is...advice. The best way to better your skills is to practice, practice, practice. Experiment, try different things, and don't be in such a hurry! Shoot lots of film... Film is cheap, but the perfect photo is priceless.  Smile

Aric Thalman
Omaha, NE



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Thom@sphoto60,
I don't really have any complaints about my camera. Its AF system is quite something. Its quite fast, and doesn't tend to hunt like some other AF cameras. Out of all the photos I took, none of them turned out to be out of focus. My main problem right now is motion blur. I'm trying to see what I can do to eliminate it.  Smile

Dsmav8r,
I really am taking all the advice everyone is giving. I know, your opinions will not determine whether its accepted or not. But, I am still interested in your opinions. Whether my photos get rejected or not. I just want to hear what you guys (professionals) think. Also, take a look at the UA Shuttle 737 shot on my previous post "Just went spotting and here are the results." That UA Shuttle is a significant improvement over my previous photos. I'm not saying it will be accepted. But you have to admit, that is a HUGE improvement.

Kind regards.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3917 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

The abousulte best way to stop motion blur is to start using a tripod or at least a monopod, steady support is important! Even the roof of a car would help. Also if you are using your camera in any sort of automated or program mode, give manual exposure (and dare I say manual focus) a try.

Anyways keep on shooting, you'll get there.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Thanks Thomasphoto60! I will give a tripod a try. But won't it be difficult manuevering the camera around? I will also give manual exposure a try.

Kind regards.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

To everyone:
Did you guys notice the large amounts of grain on the right side of the photo, above the plane? What exactly is the reason for this? I used Kodak Gold 100. Whats strange, is the rest of the photo has pretty fine grain, except for that area. Is there any fix for this?

Thanks



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineEdipic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Hi BA

Grain on the right side....
Something went wrong. If you cannot manipulate
the image to get rid if it, forget that shot and keep
trying.

Another thing: That type of shot you're trying is difficult
to get right first time. I still get some rejections on
a.net when I submit that type. I'm still working on it though.

If you want a recommendation on getting a
shot accepted: On a sunny day, go to a light airfield
and take some basic side-on shots of Cessna's and Pipers etc. Get your best three shots and send them in
and wait. The chances of having "duplicates" in the a.net database, quite unlikely. Yours should be unique.
A lot of mine come into that category.
It is much easier, believe me.
Just send three, no more.
(Think) If you sent in a dozen or more and two are pretty duff, the webmaster would suspect carelessness.
Give the impression you know what you are doing.

Hope this helps

Gerry


25 BA : Thanks Gerry. Is there a good tool in GIMP that lessens Grain? Thomasphoto60, But I can't shoot slides, because there is no way to digitize them. What
26 Thomasphoto60 : Actually no, remember that the camera sits upon a head which is attached to a center post which turns very easily. One thing though, some (not all) of
27 Usairways@clt : BA: If the picture isn't rejected for bluriness, it will probably be rejected for low aesthetic quality. I see the kind of shot you're going for, but
28 Thomasphoto60 : I thought you had a film/slide scanner. Perhaps I am confusing you with someone else. For some reason I was thinking that you had an Agfa flim/slide s
29 Post contains images Edipic : BA "Reduce Graininess" or equivalent can be found in the Adobe PhotoDelux V3 or V4 type programme. (The cheaper/home version of photoshop) The GIMP ca
30 BA : Thomasphoto16, Yes I do that AGFA slide/flatbed scanner. You are right. But it doesn't do too good a job with negatives. It does a better job with sli
31 USAir_757 : Put your camera in APERTURE PRIORITY(Av) mode, and select the max aperture(4.5). It will change to 5.6 and so and back automatically depending on your
32 BA : Thanks! I'll give that a shot!
33 BA : USAir_757, If I put a faster aperature, won't I get a slower shutter speed?
34 Vjl : What USAir is saying is to open the lens up at its widest aperature, which is also known as its fastest aperature. The wider [lower the f/stop number]
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