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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Why arent there more of other airlines.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

I note that the thread has been read 41 times and this is the first response. I just clicked on it to see what a "calssier" was. If you meant "classier" I understand it now.

I am not one to believe that B&W photos are inherently superior to color. I think they have to be a better composition than a given color photo to be superior. Here in the US, California wines are usually better than French on a dollar-for-dollar comparison but some people will just never admit that either.

The B&W photo shown is nice enough but it would have worked in color too. I still shoot some black and white. Using Ilford XP in one of my cameras and whatever I can find in my 4x5.

The "superiority" of Black and White is, in my opinion, kind of a fable. Not everyone who shoots B&W is an Ansel Adams. I like the work of Richard Steinheimer too, especially the steam locomotives. I believe that he may have used B&W just because finer grain was available than in the color film of the time. Still, I think we might agree that it would be nice to be able to search the site for black and white photos.





Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

I think in the cases of other subjects (particularly Portraits and nude photography), it is 'classier'. However, I don't think B&W really works with aviation, even if its a really artsy photo. Most of the better photos are very rich in colour.

User currently offlineHeliporter From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Nice clouds and/or nice background with much contrast can also works fine with B&W ... IMO

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User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Black and white CAN be used in aviation photography and produce some stunning results. Just need to be creative and have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of contrast and tonal value. And in the following examples, EXCELLENT composition.




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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

I like this one I just saw at Photosig:



very nice.

Luis


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

William - Agreed, in some cases they can look great. I think B&W gives a great feeling of stillness, I guess thats why its used for still-life so much.. Doesn't really work with action shots IMO.

Luis - Wow... That is a great shot!


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Fully support the thoughts already expressed... However, be aware that we have recently had some "clever" so-and-sos submit what are obviously digital pictures converted to grey (or for you guys in the US, gray!) scale. This does not, in the collective opinion of the screeners, accurately replicate black and white and therefore a fair number of such pictures have been rejected badcolor. So, by all means keep on submitting genuine black and white photos, but don't try and fake it please.

Andy


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

B&W is neither "better" nor "classier" than colour - it is simply different.

B&W photography is much more about form, light & shadow than colour. Sometimes colour distracts from the shape of the object and destroys the composition. In other cases colour IS the subject, and in some the shot could be equally made in either B&W or colour. For example, sometimes I'll shoot a colourful biplane in B&W to give the shot a "period" feel. Which brings me to Andy's point:

digital pictures converted to grey (or for you guys in the US, gray!) scale. This does not, in the collective opinion of the screeners, accurately replicate black and white

I hope what is meant is that the screeners are (rightly) rejecting simple grey scale conversions. It is true that this is not the same as a B&W image as some additional curve manipulation is required. I hope Andy didn't mean that we musn't submit B&W shots just because they were taken with a digital camera. As explained above, it is the subject & composition that should determine whether or not to use B&W, not the camera.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3551 times:


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In this one I did indeed alter the levels and curves to give it a black and white look.

Wietse



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

I think Andy's said all he is going to say on the subject...

Andy


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

http://www.airlinepics.com/displayrecord.php?src=3464
http://www.airlinepics.com/displayrecord.php?src=3461

My first time at the airport with my Rebel.... My how much better I've gotten  Big grin

Here are some more
http://www.airlinepics.com/displayrecord.php?src=1787
http://www.airlinepics.com/displayrecord.php?src=289 I really like that shot.
http://www.airlinepics.com/displayrecord.php?src=274 I think this is my favorite shot I have taken.

The sad part is those shots were with a 35mm point and click  Sad I only wish I had my Rebel then!

[Edited 2003-12-12 22:19:39]


Go big or go home
User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Bill thinks Andy's talking about himself in third person is pretty damn funny...



User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

That UA shot on my previous post was one of the first shots I ever took, I was a youngin' and it was with a disposable.


Go big or go home
User currently offlineCarlos Borda From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 538 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

To add to Andy's comments.... recently it seems a handful of photogs have even resorted to converting their images to B&W when the color version has been rejected. Many of these have also been rejected for badcolor or scan.

~Los


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5057 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

I dont understand.......are you saying that a digital image in which you discard color information/channels in photoshop is not as good as shooting in b/w film? Then how do you correctly turn a digital image into black/white?

bruce



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User currently offlineCarlos Borda From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 538 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Bruce- I don't know anything about actually shooting in B&W, but I do know that not everyone knows how to correctly do it and/or convert in PS. Done right I think B&W photography can be very classy... I know a guy who does weddings in B&W and his stuff looks great. You gotta have an eye for it I guess...

~Los


User currently offlineHeliporter From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Sometimes a bit strange ... I see only pixels (.jpg) here at a.net and I'm really wonder why a screener should deal with the original medium (slide, negative, print, b&w, glasplate ...). The matter here should be good quality VIEWING PLEASURE and nothing else ... IMO.
Markus



Markus Herzig - Swiss Helicopters, Pilatus Porter and Aviation Photography
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Bruse - the response curve of B&W and colour film is quite different - whereas colour film needs to treat all colours equally. B&W tends to be slightly oversensitive to blue and undersensitive to green/yellow. So simply grey-scaling colour does not produce a B&W type tone curve.

In practice, grey-scaled images look rather flat - they lack the contrast & sparkle expected from quality B&W images. To get a good result, you need to play around with the individual colour channels - channel mixer in PS usually works well, but there are also a number of plugins you can get to do the job - often with B&W filter effects incorporated - I have seen (though not used) some which claim to reproduce the look of particular B&W films (eg. Tri-X, FP4 etc.)

Cheers.

Colin




Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJoe Pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3393 times:

To me this works just fine especially on a nasty rainy day, i think the B&W lends very well here and thats why I did it. Plus its neat to see a brand new airplane as it may have looked in the b&w days


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User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3377 times:

Joe, thats an interesting point about the weather.

Not weather-related, but it reminds me that I always liked this one of yours as well.


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On the few occasions I attempted to convert a few shots to B&W the simple/short cut way (the only way I knew how really), I tended to run into some of the shortcomings that Andy and Colin mentioned.

Were you able to do a simple conversion to B&W like Weitse mentioned earlier, or did you have to employ any plug-ins etc?

Also while those concorde shots are outstanding that Anthony pointed out, I am not certain they'd all pass these days. They might. But, I could imagine one or all getting hit with a Bad Size, and then, possibly, Bad Centered, or even Bad Dupe and Bad Dark as well. That was 1999.


User currently offlineJoe Pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Hi Tom,
i dont use plugins, all i do is desaturate in photoshop- then if i see that some other mods needs to be made i play with the color or contrast, etc- whatever it takes to nail it right.

Did Art talk to you about jan 2 Tom?

Joe
ATR Team


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