Serge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
Received this interesting email today Appears someone was forwarding my reply to a colleague and messed up by sending it to me. Names have been censored but the company (mbakercorp.com) has not - so that this post will be in the archives in case they want someone's photograph from airliners.net again you'll know what to say. I'm doing this simply because I want newer photographers that give away images for free to be shown that the other party generally doesn't give a crap about the photographer they're asking - only about getting a freebie. (Did I mention this company's stock is about $11.00 a share!)
"Screw'em. We won't pay him $20 nor use his ATL photo. Please POLITELY
write to him that we appreciate it, but after further assessment, we
will not need to use photo after all. Thank you anyway. (Make copy for
us of response.)
Thank you for your interest and compliments to my aerial photograph of
Atlanta's terminal area. My one time (duration of conference),
non-exclusive commercial usage fee for a powerpoint presentation is
USD. Please inquire if you are interested in broader licensing of the
Once again, thank you for your interest. Please let me know if you are
Serge P. Walczak
>Subject: request for photo use
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:45:30 +0100
>Dear Mr. Walczak:
>My co-worker, XXX, and I are airport planners for Michael Baker
>Corporation, a consulting firm for which we work at its Alexandria,
>Virginia, office. We are preparing a brief PowerPoint presentation on
>"commercial aircraft parking" that Mark was asked to give at next
>Airport Consultants Council conference in Denver.
>We were viewing photographs on Airliners.net and are very impressed
>your aerial photo of Hartsfield International Airport taken July 19,
>We respectfully request your permission to use the photo in the
>presentation and we will certainly mention your name and
>the presentation's credits.
>This will be one of a number of voluntary presentations being given at
>conference to other attendees in the airport
>industry. Your permission for us to use your photo would be greatly
>appreciated and would help make our presentation more interesting.
>Please respond as promptly as possible. We look forward to your
>Thank you very much.
>Message was sent using the mail interface on Airliners.net
>To uphold the good reputation of the photographer
>community, please try to reply to photo usage requests."
Trust me, you're better off not doing business with these guys.
Are the planners with Michael Baker Corp. or just consultants for them? If so, what's the name of the consulting firm in Virginia? They may be the true losers here and not Baker.
What you're seeing here is the result of so many people accepting simple photo credits instead of adequate compensation. When companies are coming to expect freebies, and balk at $20 ... I shudder to think about the future.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 3604 times:
My recommendation and what I'd do... Find out who's higher up the company that the guy you got the "screw 'em" from, or contact their PR department. Either way, ask if that's how they normally deal with relationships with potential suppliers. If they don't care about you, why should you care if the guy who had the attitude gets a serious roasting from his boss.
Benyhone From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 206 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3561 times:
This is an interesting issue to me. I work for a consulting firm very similar to Baker (actually a competitor).
I fully support the idea of getting paid for "use" of your photos. $20 is very reasonable and if Baker really wanted to use your shot, they could have easily coughed that up.
But, I wonder if they were working 'under the gun' to get this presentation out and were looking for a near-instant "yes, go ahead and use it" so they could just download it, plop it in their presentation, and move forward. Laziness and convenience could have been their rule, and when you didn't comply with their wishes, they moved on. On that point I don't disagree with them - they found someone like Oliver who would comply.
It's unfortunate that they had to rudely comment about the situation, however. Based on that low level of professionalism, I'm surprised they even asked your permission at all.
Andy's right, you should contact Baker's marketing department (they do have one, every large consultant does) and describe to them your situation. You'll probably get nothing in return but at least you'll make your point.
Serge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3432 times:
Thanks for the replies and suggestions - I will cetainly email the PR/marketing department as Andy, Martin, Terry and Daniel suggested. I will keep you guys updated.
William, I think this is actually Michael Baker Corp I have been corresponding with since both their email addys were at mbakercorp.com. I just got home so I'll look into it further...
Oliver, At least from now on you will know to always charge commercial/for profit ventures for photo use If we get everyone to follow along we wouldn't have a problem (except total unauthorized photo use )