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User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 814 posts, RR: 11
Posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
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Hello all,

I just got some photos rejected but two of them I cant understand.

This Photo was accepted:

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Photo © Matthew Smith

But this one was rejected for badcentered:


Now to me thoes two photos are basically the same. Am I missing something?

Theres one more that I would have really loved to get accpeted:

This was rejected for badmotiv: The whole idea here was a vertical wide angle shot that had NYC in the backround


All comments welcome! Thanks very much

AA 777

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User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

You're doing wonderfully, Matt. I like seeing you trying new things and creaitng your own style. Great stuff.

Personally, I love what you were going for, but I would say that even the photo that was accepted should have been rejected, but could be re-framed for acception again.

The motive you're going for is to include the fueselage and the engine it seems. Because of that, there should be a closer equivilance between the space on the outer side of the fueselage and the outer part of the engine.

That shot that was accetped, let's say. The space on the right side of the engine is a lot smaller than the outside space to the left of the fueselage.

If that imbalance is what you want, I would say to reverse it and have the bigger gap on the outside of the engine than the cockpit. I just think that would be more visually pleasing.

The AA767 shot is great, I just think it's too tight on the right side to the plane.

Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineDazultra From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 689 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

AA777, that second rejected shot is great, I dont see why shots like that dont get on just because the plane doesnt take up 90% of the frame.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

LGA shot is fantastic. That is really creative. Why to reject it? Definitely reupload and if rejected again then appeal.

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

I disagree,

The first rejected shot, I agree is similar to the one that got accepted (which I don't understand), but is too 'off-balanced' I feel. The second is once again not centered, and I don't feel that the Skyline is pronounced enough to warrant the angle.

Just my .2 cents.

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3267 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

I like the quality in the two off-center shots, but I personally don't think that type of crop does the shot any justice. They appear awkward to me. The skyline shot is nice, but could have been done in landscape and would have made it in I believe.

User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

The photo's are really clear, sharp. But crop the AA 757 tighter.

User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3272 times:
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I was the screener who gave the TACA Peru A319 shot the final vote for acceptance. This screening business is not clear cut, and both this image and your (rejected) AA 757 shot were deliberated over at length.

Please allow me to explain my personal thoughts on the two photos:

1. You are clearly "pushing the envelope" a bit with both shots, and I'm very pleased to see that - it makes screening more fun to see some new angles!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

2. The A319 is a tighter crop, with more detail in the undercarriage, and more detail on fuselage, etc, and the runway is more level. The "mohican" stripe also really catches the eye on the A319. However, these are not factors which affected the "badcentre" question...

3. For me, the reason one is badcentre, and the other is not, is quite clear... The AA 757 is turning away from the "empty space" - it looks uncomfortable. The A319 is turning into the "empty space", creating a nice sense of "anticipation" in the shot.

The A319 shot looks to me like the result of a good deal of forethought and planning, and you've frozen a moment in time, rather than just taken a picture of an aircraft.

Perhaps my explanation is not clear - if so, tell me. If you strongly disagree, then please appeal the AA 757 shot.

I can honestly say that the accepted A319 image was the most pleasing image I screened today - it really "worked" for me.

Now, be gentle everybody... This is my first posting to this forum since becoming a screener.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


TZ Aviation - Aeropuerto de los Banditos Team Images
User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 3164 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Hi Matt:

First off, don't get discouraged. I think the horizontal should have been accepted. Great detail and sharpness.

However the vertical photo of the AA 757 is another story. It definately needs to be cropped much tighter. There is too much wasted space in the frame that honestly doesn't contribute to the overall composition.

Taking a few liberties, I have re-worked your photo as shown below just to give you a little inspiration as to how a tighter crop could be to your advantage. Hope you don't mind me playing with your image a little. Also apologies to Flight International for using their name for illustration purposes.

All the best and I hope you're inspired to keep shooting and producing some great images.

User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

LOL! Big grin

Nice work Steve! A very effective picture.


 Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineCapricorn1 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Hi Tamsin

Thanks for posting all that info here, it's nice to get feed back from the screener's as it gives all an understanding of the logic behind the decision, your explanation made perfect sense!

Perhaps you could do a regular posting for us, "Tamsin's words of wisdom"?

Also, I'm really glad to see that screening isn't taking up all your time and that you've still got time to upload some of your own photos, these are awesome:-

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Photo © TZ Aviation

It's nice to have some balloon photo's to break the norm!  Big thumbs up

I hope you're enjoying the screening, please keep up the good work!

As this is my first posting to the forum I thought I'd take the opportunity to plug my fav a.net photo Big grin

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Photo © Nick Salmon

Great photo Nick! You've gota love those Antonov's!!  Smile


User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Wowow work, Matt. TACA shot is full of the 'anticipation' that Tasmin speaks of, and I can sort of see why the AA '75--however much I love that shot--is not up to par with the mohawk-ed A319.

For the wide angle 767, there's just WAYY too much sky up on top, but you need that there to keep it x1024. Still a cool shot.

If Air International DOES decide to make it their cover shot, be sure to get more than a few keychains and promo stuff.  Wink/being sarcastic

(Matt did *cough* NOT make me post this)  Big grin

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