NWA/KLM DC-10 from Tommy Mogren, NWA A320 from Frank Shafer, NW 747 from Y.K. Cummins NG x2, Dennis Lau, Mike McLaughlin, A319 from Mark Abbot, etc (it's all airliners.net, let's just put it that way).
I know this subject is redundant, and my last post didn't seem to get much attention....do you want me to keep posting these? I'm sure all of you want to know about this, but if it's getting old, just tell me (maybe we can make a new forum for this! jk )
AKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
Thanks to the watchdog .......
I e-mailed webshots last night and today I got the response.
Dear Mr. Garcia,
Thank you for your message. As you may know, the images you identified as belonging to you, like all images in the Webshots Community, were uploaded by users, not by employees of Webshots or Excite@Home.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any other questions or concerns regarding the Webshots Community and thank you for calling these users' postings to our attention.
I think it is a generic text as I have received messages from them before.
Glenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
Concering the comment about the form letter above, they would have to have a form letter considering the amount of complaints they must receive But mine was a little different, it said:
>>Please note, however, that we have disabled >>username "perrro's' account, in
>>accordance with our Copyright Violation policies.
[I always ask that the constant violator's access to webshots be removed, but I suspect "perrro" is also "perro" and "bence" and "bence27"]
By law (DCMA) Webshots MUST remove your images, but the onus is on you to prove they are yours. Write them a letter with the URL's of the images on their site, add some type of proof that they are yours (www.airliners.net url) and a request for them to be removed immediately. Their understanding of the DCMA is that they need to do no more and no amount of eMail will change their mind (I know, i've been playing this game with them for ages).
Direct your complaints to email@example.com.
There is very little else you can do, they hide behind the DCMA which is the "Digital Millenium Copyright Act" that has yet to be tested in court (although I notice NAPSTER lost, so i'm interested in that case). I, personally, believe that they are breaching the DCMA as they are not taking "due care" or making any effort at all to protect copyright, but I don't have the money to pursue it with them. We've had heaps of Glenns images removed off the site so far, 2 yesterday.
What i've started doing is writing to the webmasters of the sites that do banner advertising on webshots explaining how I saw their add on a page that contained one of our stolen images. I even write to the ones owned by Excite (who own Webshots). And anyone else I think might be putting money into Webshots.
Oh, I also write into the guestbooks of violators and say something along the lines of "these images are stolen from www.airliners.net" or something similar and perhaps less polite :-p
Again, many thanks to the diligent Airliners fans who keep us all up to date on the Webshots violations, without them we would never know. And if anyone ever finds out who this "Bence/Perro" is, let us know ... it's obvious he uses www.airliners.net (didn't even bother to remove the airliners.net credit on the bottom of Glenns pictures).
Planeboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1710 times:
No one is immune from being ripped off.
Actually - it is a compliment to have your "art" admired.
Everyday - occurences happen. China wants an apology. In this case - it is not art but maybe more of a competitive and political game. But in the end - artists will portray what is happening here. Two super powers - for what it's worth - crying about an incident.... WHAT DO YOU THINK > This is bigger than "webshot violations " - China has alot of power.
USA has the edge. But what if China doesn't quit crying for an apology ? What happens next ? I'd like to see it - an all out technological war - mixed with economical implication - nobody cares about religion anymore - and maybe this is a good thing.....
Rindt From Germany, joined May 2000, 930 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (15 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
I found more on Webshots...
I did a search for "British Airways" and sure enough, about 3 to 5 pages in, there was a page FILLED with airliners.net shots; one from Vasco, a few from Alexandor Gregory in SYD, and some others... then I did a search for "Cathay Pacific" ... sure enough, the FIRST image (the SOHK 744) is mine, name obliterated. Shame... I found a KLM 763 shot as well, but I let it slide because it was left unaltered... which isn't half as bad as someone who blatently steals a photo, and removes copyright signs/names.
Urghh... another day in a photographer's life, thanks to Webshots.
What other people think of you is none of your business!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9027 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (15 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
I'll help out too, if I find any. It's not that hard though to send an email to the photographer (as I do) asking for pics, and I have not been declined yet. I just can't believe people are passing up all the warnings everywhere though.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (15 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1630 times:
Just a quick question: As there are never more than 4 or 5 photographers affected, why don't you contact them directly via the "Contact Photographer" button? This would barely cause much more trouble than creating a new thread, and it would be sure to reach them (some photographers do not participate in these forums and may remain unaware of the violations...)
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5519 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (15 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1623 times:
Because most of the time there are other photographers on the same page (not as popular I guess you can say). Rarely do I go looking throught the database trying to find the person who took it (if they removed the copyright bar), but I only do that if im about 99% sure it's on here. Lastly, if I post it, other photographers may know others who are affected, and can contact them. I do contact the ones I know, which is only a few of them.