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This Weeks "webshots Violation" Episode...  
User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Found a few more tonight (one was mine  Big grin )

http://www.webshots.com/search/search.fcgi?words=Northwest+Airlines&noRedir=1&ws=1&ch=1&cl=1&page=2

NWA/KLM DC-10 from Tommy Mogren, NWA A320 from Frank Shafer, NW 747 from Y.K. Cummins NG x2, Dennis Lau, Mike McLaughlin, A319 from Mark Abbot, etc (it's all airliners.net, let's just put it that way).

I know this subject is redundant, and my last post didn't seem to get much attention....do you want me to keep posting these? I'm sure all of you want to know about this, but if it's getting old, just tell me (maybe we can make a new forum for this! jk  Big grin )

Justin
(The photo watchdog)

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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Hi Justin,

Thank you!

I'm very grateful for your detective work. It's hard to find all these violations myself, so I'm very happy every time you or someone else posts their findings here!

Thanks again, and I'll start with the removal process..*sigh* (mail him / Webshotsuntil it's removed!, otherwise I'll just send him an invoice)

Keep Posting Justin!!!!

All the best,

Tommy Mogren - Fan of copyright laws...




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User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Justin,

I use posts like yours to get Glenns images removed from Webshots.

Your efforts are most certainly appreciated.



Bron


User currently offlineDsmav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Has anybody had any luck in contacting Webshots about this problem? I have written them 3 emails over that past month and have not received a reply.

Just when you thought you've heard the last of Webshots.........

Aric Thalman
Omaha, NE



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

I immediately wrote them about this violation, and so far I have only received an automated reply.

But it says they will reply within 24-48 hours so..
I'll patiently be waiting...

/Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Thanks to the watchdog .......

I e-mailed webshots last night and today I got the response.

Dear Mr. Garcia,

Thank you for your message. As you may know, the images you identified as belonging to you, like all images in the Webshots Community, were uploaded by users, not by employees of Webshots or Excite@Home.

We have deleted the images from the Webshots Community and reminded the user(s) who uploaded them that our Terms of Use prohibit the posting of infringing images. Although we have deleted the images from the Community, it is possible that some of the images have been cached, and it may take a few days for the cache to clear. However, within 24 hours, these photos should no longer appear in the users' albums or topic pages, and users should not be able to download them.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any other questions or concerns regarding the Webshots Community and thank you for calling these users' postings to our attention.

Sincerely,

Gina Harris.

I think it is a generic text as I have received messages from them before.





User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Hi,

I got a reply from webshots, similar to the one posted above from AKE0404AR.

It says they have deleted the photo from their community. Should be gone in a matter of hours/days..

Thanks again for posting Justin!

/Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Same message I got Vasco. No prob guys, I'm sure I'll find more soon....

Justin
MCO


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Concering the comment about the form letter above, they would have to have a form letter considering the amount of complaints they must receive  Smile/happy/getting dizzy But mine was a little different, it said:

>>Please note, however, that we have disabled >>username "perrro's' account, in
>>accordance with our Copyright Violation policies.

[I always ask that the constant violator's access to webshots be removed, but I suspect "perrro" is also "perro" and "bence" and "bence27"]

By law (DCMA) Webshots MUST remove your images, but the onus is on you to prove they are yours. Write them a letter with the URL's of the images on their site, add some type of proof that they are yours (www.airliners.net url) and a request for them to be removed immediately. Their understanding of the DCMA is that they need to do no more and no amount of eMail will change their mind (I know, i've been playing this game with them for ages).

Direct your complaints to business@webshots.com.

There is very little else you can do, they hide behind the DCMA which is the "Digital Millenium Copyright Act" that has yet to be tested in court (although I notice NAPSTER lost, so i'm interested in that case). I, personally, believe that they are breaching the DCMA as they are not taking "due care" or making any effort at all to protect copyright, but I don't have the money to pursue it with them. We've had heaps of Glenns images removed off the site so far, 2 yesterday.

What i've started doing is writing to the webmasters of the sites that do banner advertising on webshots explaining how I saw their add on a page that contained one of our stolen images. I even write to the ones owned by Excite (who own Webshots). And anyone else I think might be putting money into Webshots.

Oh, I also write into the guestbooks of violators and say something along the lines of "these images are stolen from www.airliners.net" or something similar and perhaps less polite :-p

Again, many thanks to the diligent Airliners fans who keep us all up to date on the Webshots violations, without them we would never know. And if anyone ever finds out who this "Bence/Perro" is, let us know ... it's obvious he uses www.airliners.net (didn't even bother to remove the airliners.net credit on the bottom of Glenns pictures).



Bron


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

No one is immune from being ripped off.
Actually - it is a compliment to have your "art" admired.
Everyday - occurences happen. China wants an apology. In this case - it is not art but maybe more of a competitive and political game. But in the end - artists will portray what is happening here. Two super powers - for what it's worth - crying about an incident.... WHAT DO YOU THINK > This is bigger than "webshot violations " - China has alot of power.
USA has the edge. But what if China doesn't quit crying for an apology ? What happens next ? I'd like to see it - an all out technological war - mixed with economical implication - nobody cares about religion anymore - and maybe this is a good thing.....


User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

eh, hello?


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User currently offlineRindt From Germany, joined May 2000, 930 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

I found more on Webshots...
I did a search for "British Airways" and sure enough, about 3 to 5 pages in, there was a page FILLED with airliners.net shots; one from Vasco, a few from Alexandor Gregory in SYD, and some others... then I did a search for "Cathay Pacific" ... sure enough, the FIRST image (the SOHK 744) is mine, name obliterated. Shame... I found a KLM 763 shot as well, but I let it slide because it was left unaltered... which isn't half as bad as someone who blatently steals a photo, and removes copyright signs/names.

Urghh... another day in a photographer's life, thanks to Webshots.


Regards,
Rob




What other people think of you is none of your business!
User currently offlineDsmav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

More a.net photos from many different photographers:

http://community.webshots.com/album/7681538ElAbhKdULc

http://community.webshots.com/album/7613457HRmYOfZGuU

http://community.webshots.com/album/3599756xcJHqkGwxg

http://community.webshots.com/album/8775474XcWBAxPfmC

http://community.webshots.com/album/9512222BvBTasaCvS

http://community.webshots.com/album/10842675IEQflBFLCC

Aric Thalman
Omaha, NE



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

I'll help out too, if I find any. It's not that hard though to send an email to the photographer (as I do) asking for pics, and I have not been declined yet. I just can't believe people are passing up all the warnings everywhere though.

Jeff


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

It's to the point now when someone wants to use it for their own little personal site, I tell them no. Especially when they just ask for a picture (without links and their reason).

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Just a quick question: As there are never more than 4 or 5 photographers affected, why don't you contact them directly via the "Contact Photographer" button? This would barely cause much more trouble than creating a new thread, and it would be sure to reach them (some photographers do not participate in these forums and may remain unaware of the violations...)

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Because most of the time there are other photographers on the same page (not as popular I guess you can say). Rarely do I go looking throught the database trying to find the person who took it (if they removed the copyright bar), but I only do that if im about 99% sure it's on here. Lastly, if I post it, other photographers may know others who are affected, and can contact them. I do contact the ones I know, which is only a few of them.

User currently offlineVjl From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1236 times:

As of Mon Apr 16 02:55:55 PDT 2001, I have reported the following URLs to WebShots as being copyright violations and have also notified a few of the photographers:

http://community.webshots.com/album/7681538ElAbhKdULc
http://community.webshots.com/album/3599756xcJHqkGwxg
http://community.webshots.com/album/8775474XcWBAxPfmC http://community.webshots.com/album/10842675IEQflBFLCC [the user cropped the a.net copyright tag, but the shots ARE in the a.net database]
http://community.webshots.com/album/9512222BvBTasaCvS
http://community.webshots.com/album/6512428QOgArshlyO
http://community.webshots.com/album/1528342ZwpRhVReRm
http://community.webshots.com/album/5998661bKPvMDhSwo

That's all for now. I hope to do this on a more regular basis and post the URLs here so that others can complain to webshots via the business@webshots.com address.

/vjl/ [aka Vince LaMonica]


User currently offlineGeorge From Netherlands, joined Apr 2000, 115 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Thanks Vince, also I discovered a picture from me and asked them to remove it.

regards, George


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

Thanks for all this research everyone...I seem to be safe when it comes to some of these violations...I am grateful
Mark Garfinkel


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