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Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review  
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10003 times:

From SportsShooter.com

Peter Miller is a very acclaimed sports photographer with Sports Illustrated.

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Canon EOS-1D Mark II-A Brief Encounter
By Peter Read Miller, Sports Illustrated

Last week I had the opportunity to shoot with a preproduction EOS-1D Mark II camera for two days at the Pacific Life Tennis in Indian Wells, California. What follows are my totally non-empirical impressions from those two days.

Look and Feel

Physically the camera is essentially the same as the EOS-1D. There is no longer an external window for the Auto White Balance-AWB is done completely inside the camera now. One of my favorite changes is the enlarged CF card door latch. Now you can open it even if you just trimmed your fingernails.

The zoom on the LCD screen is greatŠlogical, simple and very effective. The screen is also brighter that the 1D or 1Ds-making it more important to check the histogram for proper exposure. You can also break the histogram into Red, Green and Blue. There were a number of other changes in the menu system including the option to adjust JPEG compression more precisely.

Function

Auto Focus seemed definitely faster with improved tracking-the result, I am told, of a new processor and improved software. Canon has also worked on improving the on camera flash metering. I just tested it in my hotel room, but again I saw improvement.

The camera has a bigger buffer, and shoots bigger files. Sports Illustrated shoots Raw plus JPEG's so we tend to see rather long buffer write times. The Mark II seemed to take about the same time as the 1D to write the buffer once it was full; however I was getting around 20-8MP files instead of 14-4MP files as on the ID, big difference. Also, I was using a 1gig 32X card. I'm sure things will speed up when the faster cards are available as the camera is designed to take advantage of the higher speeds. In addition, it seemed that you could squeeze off the first few frames as the buffer emptied a lot sooner.

Battery life was much improved-probably double the 1D, and with the same battery and charger. Since I did not have an SD memory card I wasn't able to explore the second card slot feature.

Output
I sent my cards directly to Sports Illustrated in New York, so I really haven't seen the files from the Mark II. My boss Steve Fine, SI's Director of Photography, did look at them. His comments, as we await our shipment of Mark II's, were that "we will be very happy" when the production cameras arrive. The Mark II "will help make the photos in SI look even better". Enough said.

Conclusion
Canon has taken a great camera and made it even betterŠ

(Peter Read Miller is a staff photographer with Sports Illustrated. He is a frequent contributor to the Sports Shooter Newsletter.)

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User currently offlineBronko From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 810 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9695 times:

What is the going price of a kidney these days?


Jet City Aviation Photography
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

www.ebay.com

I'm sure you could find out!

Seriously, yes it is an expensive camera, yet this camera is THE camera for our needs, at least in my opinion. It will definately take away sales from the 1Ds although that camera is not intended for airliner photograhy.

It is a vast improvement over the 10D and 1D, no doubt.

I've got my order in for one. Should come in around mid-April.
I think after I get it, I "might" have an EOS 1VHS for sale. I'm sick
of slides and the scanning problems I've had the past four months. I also think the digital process is MUCH quicker overall.


Jay


User currently offlineRiley From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 173 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

Jay, I've got mine on the way as well... You can check out an in-depth review of all the goodies on the Canon USA site. This is a very high-tech piece of equipment. I'm sure the manual that comes with the kit will be huge. Many of the custom functions, etc will almost require formal training.
I'm anxious to see how the 1.3 crop factor compares to the 1.6 10D with my lenses.

RyanU


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

Well aside from parting with my deposit, I've been preparing for the MkII by studying the 1D and 1Ds manuals - available here

http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/customer/manual.html

everything I've read indicates that operation of the Mk II will be very similar, so this could give you a jump start.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

Never thought about that Colin. Good suggestion.
Although I have an EOS 1VHS, I am sure that there will be a huge learning curve for me, moving to digital.

Heck, I don't even know what White Balance is all about that so many digital photographers and cameras refer to.


Jay


User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9530 times:
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Jay, I might be interested in your 1V. Keep in touch when you ever want to sell it.

Tim



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User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

I am sure that there will be a huge learning curve for me, moving to digital

Well at least the camera will be similar in many respects to the 1v, so from a handling and camera operation, much will be familiar which helps (same AF, same metering etc.)

Apart from familiarising yourself with the digital functions of the camera, I think the most important thing to come to terms with is the amount of post-processing required. I wouldn't expect anything to be useable straight out of the camera - the Mk II in particular seems to need a fairly aggressive approach to sharpening, and quite different to one you would use for scanned film.

For this reason, I suggest you shoot RAW from the start - this way you can experiment with processing time and time again without damaging your "original" - plus, in a few months time when you've refined your proceedure and tool kit, you can go back to your early images and bring them up to standard.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlinePlanedoctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Jay,

I would agree with Colin. Having never moved from film to digital (I jumped straight into digital, baby!), I would suggest tinkering with RAW, but for a beginner it might be a bit overwhelming. I think it depends on how comfortable one is with a computer and editing. The only problem with starting with RAW is that you might end up sending the camera back in the first week out of frustration! If you feel pretty good about using photoshop and working your way around the computer (you must if you can upload to this site at least!) then you probably are okay with RAW. But most people I know start with jpegs since at least you can enjoy getting your feet wet. Most of the MKII reviews have the sharpening set to "0", and I think if you turn the sharpening up in-camera you might not need much anyways. On the 1D and 1Ds I shot jpegs only when shooting professionally, and I had the sharpening set to a mid-amount, and the images came out perfect for printing. For most everything else I do shoot RAW now. But the bottom line is- do what Colin says and shoot RAW first. If that is too frustrating, then either send the camera to me, or go ahead and shoot jpegs!

-Ken


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9477 times:

It is my understanding from reading some reviews on this camera is that you can shoot "both" in Raw mode and jpg mode at the same time!! One of the reviews said that wedding photographers would love this option, since they can shoot Raw and then for the jpgs to use for mini-albums or 4x6 prints.

I am "fairly" good with the computer and Photoshop, so I think I can handle that. Just what is the difference between Raw and jpg format though?

I don't think I'll sell my EOS 1VHS just yet............I might find a need to shoot film at some point, but for the life of me, I can't seem to know why after getting this bad boy!!



User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9464 times:

Jay - that's correct, the camera can take a RAW and a jpg at the same time (with various size & quality options on the jpg).

RAW is a record of what the sensor recorded, it is not an image until this sensor data is processed. You do the processing on the PC which allows you to select various processing data (eg. colour balance, sharpening - even exposure compensation) to the image after you've taken it. And of course you can reprocess the image again and again to try different settings.

With jpg, the image processing is done in camera - the sensor data is filtered via the in-camera settings and an image is created. This is fine IF you've got everything just right at the time of shooting. But of course in creating the jpg, much of the original sensor data is thrown away, which means if you do find you have to edit the image after the fact (say you got the white balance wrong) you are making corrections to a much smaller data set, with a resulting loss in quality.

Here's a crude way of thinking about it - RAW is like creating a negative, jpg like making a print. Both are fine if the original exposure is spot on, but if you want to make any adjustments, you're much better working from a scanned neg than a scanned print.

I understand you hanging onto the 1vhs ... I hung on to an EOS 3 for a full year after buying the D60. But I never used it!

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Thanks Colin for the advanced information. Looks like I'll be shooting in RAW mode for a while  Smile !!

What is White Balance? I hate to ask a question that sounds so stupid but I have no idea what it is...........

Also, I just can't part with my 1VHS. I mean that thing cost $2300.00 brand new and it is a pretty superb camera. Guess I'll use it for my back-up  Smile
Just a very expensive back-up.

So now, I have two Canon EOS 630's for sale........great cameras for film shooters and they do take 5.5 fps............


Jay


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9418 times:

White Balance - you know that with film you had to switch film types or use filters to cope with, say, the differing colour temperatures of tungsten and daylight. Well with digital, the camera has to determine the light temperature to record the colours correctly. In other words, the camera will attempt to establish a setting which will record pure white as white regardless of the type of lighting.

DSLRs incorporate an auto-white balance feature which works pretty well most of the time, but it can get fooled - eg. the warm glow of a sunset might get somewhat neutralised by the auto white balance. Hence cameras also provide a means for you to set the white balance yourself - if for example, you are shooting under studio lights, and you know the colour temperature of those lights, you can simply dial that value into the camera - result, perfect colour rendition.

Of course, unless you happen to carry with you a light temperature meter, it is seldom you know exactly what the correct setting should be in the field - so you use auto, or guess a setting, which will probably provide good results, but results which might be improved on. By shooting RAW, you can reset the white balance when you get back home to provide the optimum colours.

I know it will be hard to part with the 1VHS - but remember, its just an object. I'd be very surprised if that expensive camera doesn't transform itself into an expensive paperweight when you get the Mk II - I certainly wouldn't rush into it, but I would consider transforming the 1VHS into, say, additional L glass a much better use of your original investment!

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9388 times:

Thanks for the explanation Colin...........

Good thoughs about changing the EOS 1VHS for some more L glass.
I already have the 70-200 f-2.8 and the 28-70 f-2.8, the 85 f-1.8 and both the 2x and 1.4x converters. What I'd like to get is the 70-200 f.28 with IS.
I've seen it in action at a trade show and man was I impressed. I think that might be a possibility after a while or just keep my EOS 1VHS for a back-up.
Right now I have a EOS 630 as a back-up..........I also have another one laying in a drawer..........


jay


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9328 times:

Okay, does anybody have the "exact" date this bad-boy is going to be released? I've got my $$$$ ready to spend !!

Also, what types of flash cards would you recommend? I want fast ones!

Thanks,


Jay


User currently offlineFireguy274 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

I emailed B&H in USA here and they said late April....Artie

User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9321 times:

I think "late April" is the party line ... the big question is how many? In other words, if you aren't in the first delivery (and some dealers are saying they only expect to get 2 or 3), how long till the next shipment? I don't think there is any doubt that demand is going to out strip supply for a considerable time.

As to cards - it seems this has almost become a religion with some people (won't use anything except Lexar, Sandisk or whatever). Personally I use Sandisk Ultra and have no complaints - paradoxically, the fact that I did have one fail which was replaced with no hassle actually makes me feel more comfortable with them. But I haven't done any comparison testing.

Actually, due to the enormous buffer of the MkII, I wonder how crtical card speed will be in practice.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9303 times:

Colin,

Can you explain about the enormous buffer on the Mark II and how critical card speed will be? I am totally new at all of this.

I heard "mid-April" !! I sure hope my camera store gets a bunch of them!


Jay


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

Jay,
What Colin describes as a buffer is basically this. When a digital camera takes a photo, there is a lot of number crunching it has to do to the "file" before it resembles an image. All of the processing (white balance, color space, sharpening, contrast, etc.) need to be done before you "see" it as an image. The it needs to be written (saved) to a media card. This all takes place remarkably fast. But, there is a physical limit to this speed, and when multiple images are taken, they are queued for processing in a memory area called a buffer.

Similar to RAM in a pc or pda, the camera's "buffer" memory accepts the image and basically queues it up to be processed and then written to the storage media (compact flash card). Until that data gets written, it is volatile. If you shut the camera off during that time, you loose the image, just as you would with a pc if you pull the plug before you save your 10 page Word document.

The current generation of cameras (10d, D100) allow for 3 frames per second to be shot, up to 6-9 images at a time. These "files" are then in the buffer and must then be processed and written to the card before any more shots can be taken. This is only a few moments usually, as the camera normally starts processing and writing them as the buffer fills. Usually not a concern, unless you get trigger happy and fill the buffer just before the shot you want presents it self....and your waiting for the card write to finish. Keeping your finger on the shutter usually prevents the camera from turning over control to the write function by keeping it in a "shooting mode". You'll have to read about that as well. There is a display that should tell you the number of shots remaining that can be taken.

The Mk II's buffer is much larger in comparison, and there should be little or no delay caused by a full buffer. In practical use, card write speed is not an issue. There are a few tests that have been done on write speed out there that should not be too hard to find, and will explain it better then I.

Maybe that helps some.

Jeff


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

I think the new EOS D Mark II is a beautiful machine, but I have to be frank- i'll take my 10D to any photo shoot someone takes a Mark II and i'm confident that I can achieve similar results 99% of the time. Given the price of the body, i'd be looking at adding to the L collection before going for more megapixels, 45 point autofocus, etc. -the 10D has really handled the toughest situations i've put it through so far, i'm very pleased with it.

JP
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User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

unless you get trigger happy and fill the buffer just before the shot you want presents it self....

Guilty of this more times than I care to admit. Thank god it's the only thing I am premature at...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

This new camera looks very good to me as well. I have long been desiring a 1Ds for my commercial work, but hell... who has a spare 8 grand laying around? I've used a 1Ds and damn near fell in love with it on the spot.

I am going to keep my eye on the MkII. Could be my next gun.

william


User currently offlinePlanedoctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Hi Joe,

I agree that in most situations the 10D will get as many good shots in the hands of a good photographer, and you did say 99% of the time. I shoot indoor sports professionally, both with my own business and with another outfit in town. Some have tried indoor soccer with the 10D, and others of us have used the 1D... I have used both cameras quite extensively. And while the 10D is a great camera (I have now added one to my stable) it is really not in the same league as the 1D-type camera. I consider myself a decent sports shooter, and yet I get probably 20% fewer keepers with the 10D than with the 1D in situations with fast movement of basketball, hockey, and soccer indoors. In our business we shoot bulk photos (hundreds per game) for the sale, and a camera has to perform as close to flawlessly as possible. Like you said, maybe you could match our 1D performance with your 10D, and if so we'd probably hire you! I agree that for outdoor stuff like planes, and also for portraits, most wildlife, and other things the 10D is a great performer. But I think that once you have been spoiled with one of Canon's "1" digitals, it is hard going back! I have been without my 1D and 1Ds for about a month now since I sold them in anticipation of the 1DMkII, and I have a 10D to hold me over until the MkII arrives, it is indeed a long wait!  Smile Cheers, Joe, I always have enjoyed your aircraft pics and you seem to know how to handle your 10D well.

-Ken


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

Ken,
I should have been more specific- I really mean aviation/airport work- for a soccer game, indeed the 10D would lag the pro dslr's. I have the EOS-1VHS so i know what the topline canon machines can produce. Here is a good example, last week I did work for a client here in CLT- inside the airplane with flash, without flash, outside in sun, clouds, action shots of people working around the plane, stills- almost 1.5 gig worth of 10D raws and the results were fantastic. I know I would not need a high end DSLR to achieve these results, instead, i'd go for a 400MM F2.8 IS -yummmy

JP
ATR Team


User currently offlinePlanedoctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Ah- I see, Joe- thanks for the clarification. About the 400 2.8 being "yummmy"... I have long lusted after a long L prime, and after selling selling some gear I did finally get a 300 2.8 IS. I have grown used to the weight of what I thought were big lenses before... if I only knew! And the 300 2.8 is small compared to the 400 2.8. Now that is what you call a serious load! I have yet to take my 300 2.8 to the airport since I can just imagine how quick to cops will be checking me out with a lens even that size. I am now wondering if I should cut back to the 300 f4 instead since I can actually hold it for more than a few minutes at a time. But for sports the 300 2.8 is AWESOME when used with a monopod, and that is why I got it. But for casual stuff it is a beast for sure.

-Ken


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

Ken,
I got the 300 2.8 IS last year, that thing is like no other and i shoot at CLT and JFK with it heavily, even with 1.4x and 2x converters- it is a joy to use and i've gotten very used to the weight. When you factor in converters and 960mm F5.6, the cost of the lens is put in perspective.

JP
ATR Team


25 ExitRow : One factor for me is selling commercial images to stock agencies. (Not talking aviation here.) Except in certain circumstances, they won't accept 6.3
26 Joe pries : William, that is a good point. I used to deal with stock agencies when i was shooting slides only, now I don't deal with them anymore, but i can see t
27 Post contains images Ckw : Joe - you make a very good point, and I will confess to a certain amount of simple, unadulterated lust when deciding to buy the MkII. I had been think
28 Planedoctor : Colin, I do see the MkII as evolutionary too, but one that hits really close to the sweet spot in many areas. After reading your post, though, I admit
29 Ckw : Ken - fair comment ... but while the move from 6 to 8mp is not going to be a huge advantage, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with "just" 4mp. But much mo
30 Joe pries : Colin, I guess it comes down to what you're going to do. I have never in my life done an airshow or much general av. a/c, I dont shoot studio, so for
31 Post contains images Planedoctor : Colin, Seeing that you wanted to do portraiture of some type, too, the MkII makes a whole lot of sense. I do some portraiture and a little landscape,
32 Post contains images JayDavis : Joe, Colin and Ken, Great thread! I shoot everything with my cameras. female models , airplanes, sports, portraits, etc....so I need a camera that can
33 Post contains images Ckw : Sorry Ken, I'm not relinquishing my place I must admit I do tend to think of the MkII more as an "affordable" turbocharged 1Ds rather than an upgraded
34 Post contains images JayDavis : Hi Colin, It isn't a question of whether I can afford to hold on to it or not, I am definately going to hold on to it. Can't beat it for a film camera
35 Post contains images Ckw : The good ol' Photosmart - still got one somewhere. I still remember buying that not so many years ago. My first foray into digital photography of any
36 Maiznblu_757 : Forget the 10D. I already have a camera as good as the 10D. This will be my next camera (or something similar).
37 JayDavis : Well Maiznblu_757, What is it? You didn't tell us which camera you own that is good as the 10D. I'm anxious to know. You left us all hanging by the se
38 Maiznblu_757 : Hey smartguy, Check my profile and my photo remarks, its not hard.
39 Post contains links and images ExitRow : Jay, I highly recommed reading this before responding to Maiznblu_757 : http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
40 Post contains images Maiznblu_757 : Troll? lmao... I think not. That was a good one though.
41 Post contains links and images Planedoctor : I found this link interesting, and the results posted as far as the MkI is concerned are right in line with my experience. It is here: http://www.rz.u
42 Post contains images Maiznblu_757 : Take a look at the photos taken with a 300D and a 10D... They look exactly the same, that is what counts. The 10D is a great camera, just why pay an e
43 Post contains images Planedoctor : I agree that the image sensor/ quality is the same. But the people who buy the 10D aren't idiots. When I put my 10D in "AI Focus" I am reminded exactl
44 Post contains links and images WellHung : I already have a camera as good as the 10D. I'm sure it's fine for what you use it for, but only a fool or someone who doesn't know jack about cameras
45 Post contains images Maiznblu_757 : Yes it is fine for what I use it for. I have also heard it is very good for Airshows, Airliner, Bizjets etc... Although I cannot remember utilizing it
46 Wietse : Chad, I am sorry but that is just not true. The MkII is aimed at professional photographers who shoot sports, wildlife, events and other things. You c
47 JayDavis : I sure am glad I didn't post the remark that the 300D is just as good as a 10D or even the upcoming Mark II! Talk about open mouth, insert foot. Chad,
48 Post contains images Ckw : Easy guys - as I read it, Chad was comparing the 300D to the 10D, NOT the 1D mkI or II Is the 300D as good a camera as the 10D? As a total package, no
49 Wietse : Its not what you have its how you use it. Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood this oneliner of his. I saw an obvious reference to the 1D Mk1 or II there. W
50 Post contains images JayDavis : Good points Colin. I too thought Chad was comparing the 300D to a Mark II. No comparison!! Yes, I think this new Mark II has all the features I would
51 Maiznblu_757 : Hey guys... easy. I didnt compare the 300D to the 1D. How did you fellers get that?
52 Maiznblu_757 : Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood this oneliner of his. I saw an obvious reference to the 1D Mk1 or II there. Wietse Wietse, Ha. How did you get that out
53 Post contains images Wietse : Chad, sure! I know your reasoning behind it, and why you chose for the 300D instead of the 10D, it all makes sense. I just thought you meant with Its
54 Ckw : Canon is very worried that the new Mark II will take away sales from the 1DS Very true - esp. since the MkII is a LOT cheaper. But Canon worried? I ve
55 Planedoctor : Chad, I knew you weren't trying to compare the 300D to the MkII. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding from my standpoint. I do recommend the 300D t
56 Post contains images JayDavis : Wow, 14mp, possible 16???? So will this mean that the sensor is actually bigger than a 35mm frame? Wonder how much that bad boy will cost? Yet, unless
57 Planedoctor : Jay, I have heard the rumor of the 16MP Canon... I think they are playing the game to stay ahead of the crowd, even if it means offering a camera that
58 Ckw : 16mp is a theoretical possibility on a full frame sensor by using a denser array and improved microlens technology (remember the 3mp D30, 6mp D60 and
59 Wietse : Anyone have an idea at how many shutter operations a 1D is certified? And if one fails after having reached that ammount of releases, how much will th
60 Planedoctor : 1D is rated at 150,000 shutter fires (remember this is a rating, with some lasting much longer). I have called Canon and the estimated cost is $250-30
61 Post contains images Wietse : Nevermind I figured it out myself. The 1D shutter is tested for 150.000 exposures, but a similar system in a film camera has been up to over 400.000 e
62 Wietse : Thanks Ken, Wietse
63 Post contains images JayDavis : I'm kiddingly saying this........... If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it !! Believe me, I really cannot afford this EOS Mark II
64 Post contains images Wietse : lol Jay Just making up a list of eventual costs. Always look further than just the pricetag of the camera! Wietse
65 Post contains images ExitRow : Jay - Going digital has saved me TONS of overhead costs on film and processing. I now put that money into gear rentals and experiments! One thing to k
66 JayDavis : Hi William, Thanks for your comments about post-production work now with digital files. I certainly understand that process and don't mind. I would li
67 Ejazz : Given the choice what would you opt for if both were the same price: Mint Canon 1Ds or a new 1D MKII. I think I'd lean more towards the MKII firstly s
68 Ckw : The 1Ds is an incredible camera, but I think less practical than the MkII. As Ken has pointed out, it is merciless in exposing flaws in technique or e
69 JayDavis : Why doesn't Canon ramp up production on the Mark II in order to fulfill the HUGE demand factor for this camera? They are going to get their money no m
70 Post contains images Ckw : How do you know they aren't? Seriously, the fact that other Canon DSLRs (except perhaps the 300D) are all still a bit patchy in supply would suggest t
71 JayDavis : What is a 8mp Canon Pro 1? Is that a European version of the Mark II? I have never heard of this camera. Jay
72 Planedoctor : As great as the MkII looks right now, I think that the apparent demand is not a reflection of the true demand- it is overstated. Most dealers have lis
73 Post contains links and images Manzoori : Here ya go Jay, the link to the preview on Dpreview.com Cheers! Rez
74 JayDavis : Thanks for the link Rez, I'll check it out. Well I just got off the phone from my camera store and he said the release isn't going to be until the end
75 JayDavis : Thanks, but no thanks...............that is, in my opinion, not a real DSLR camera as I can't use my lenses on it. It is just a point and shoot. Jay
76 Ckw : not a real DSLR camera Agreed, but this is where the big names have decided to fight it out this year - I think there are 4 or 5 8mp prosumer models o
77 Planedoctor : Colin, I shelled out $1100 (stupidly in retrospect) for the Pro90. I don't know if you remember that camera. It was good enough for this site back the
78 Post contains images Ckw : I was told from the start that UK delivery would be April 21st - but haven't had that confirmed yet Some guy on dpreview from the US claims he's getti
79 Joe pries : Jay wrote: Believe me, I really cannot afford this EOS Mark II and I am pulling out money from my 401k savings plan to get it, YET, if I don't get it,
80 JeffM : I suppose if you didn't have the cash, you could always buy it a Wolf's or someplace similar and get the 1 year no interest deal and just pay $375 mon
81 JayDavis : Joe, Thank you for the concern, I sincerely appreciate it, but the deal has already been done. I think with my new job, I'll be able to replace that m
82 JayDavis : There is a fabulous web site that has a huge thread on this camera. http://www.canonians.com/ FYI Jay
83 JayDavis : Did anyone go visit the site I mentioned? I think that site has a great deal of information about all Canon cameras. Jay
84 JeffM : Nikon has the same type site. Most people that have owned a digital for a while have been to one of them.
85 Post contains images JayDavis : I don't think the site is owned by Canon though. I am new to digital, heck, I don't even own my digital camera yet, but I did find it a very useful si
86 JeffM : the Nikonians site is just like the one you mentioned, and is privately run as well. Your excitement about going digital is great. At least you want t
87 Post contains images Ckw : Jay - to be honest, I've reached saturation point on this damn camera . I'm beginning to think I've read more about it than the Canon engineers! All I
88 Post contains images Manzoori : Rough it with an old D60? What... you got rid of the 10D already? Wow, you're keen! Cheers! Rez
89 Post contains images Ckw : What... you got rid of the 10D already? Wow, you're keen! Not as keen as the person who wanted to buy it Had to be done though. Might as well be now a
90 Post contains images JayDavis : Hi Colin, Well, I plopped $3750.00 today, so I have $4750.00 in credit at my camera store. I was told I am # 3 on the list and now that I have given t
91 Ckw : I agree with the store owner ... whatever happens, no matter how good digital gets, film is film and there will always be people who use it because th
92 Post contains images Planedoctor : My brother who works with several fairly large outfits in western USA says that while many pros use 1Ds and such digital cameras, there defitinely is
93 Wietse : I do see a flood of 2nd hand 1D cameras entering the market. Saw a mint 3 months old one for 2500 euros today, sounds a reasonable price. Wont use it
94 Post contains images JayDavis : Well for me to have "any" chance of getting any of my shots accepted on this site anymore, it was to go digital or forget it. My slide scanner just su
95 Post contains images Ckw : Closer to Japan ? Perhaps containers are just being dropped in the sea and left to drift! Cheers, Colin
96 Post contains images JayDavis : Well, AA has non-stop service from NRT to DFW and surely, Canon could put a couple of crates on that B-777 flying back eastbound !! They could also se
97 JayDavis : Well about 18 days and counting the way I look at it. Anybody from down under in Australia care to report on purchasing one of these bad boys??? Jay
98 Post contains images Ckw : One bit of good news today - price has dropped by £100 ... guess I'll get that extra 1gb card now. I was given a great incentive for supporting your
99 JayDavis : I wonder what my local camera store would do if I were to show them ads from the mail order and internet web sites for cameras? I mean, they already h
100 Planedoctor : I just wanted to be #100 on this thread! Yehaaa! I hear Canon may be working out some MkII bugs, delaying release by a week or so? If so, major bummer
101 Ckw : I'd be surprised if Canon were working out bugs now - that would mean that the packing/shipping process hasn't even begun which I would think would am
102 JayDavis : Good points Colin. Doggone it !! Jay
103 JayDavis : Still waiting for an answer about Flash Card recommendations. Thanks! Jay
104 Ckw : Thought we'd done this - must have been another thread. Anyway, I think the huge buffer on the Mk2 will make card choice less critical - if you're not
105 JayDavis : Hi Colin, Thanks for the input. My friend uses Lexar and he recommended those. He is a professional wedding photographer. My friend told me to get 40x
106 JeffM : Jay, Don't forget the first 8 frames will go straight into the buffer while the shutter is being held down. Then, when you release the shutter, the bu
107 JayDavis : Thanks for the explanation Jeff, I appreciate it. Jay
108 Ckw : Worst case senario would be if you held the shutter down until the buffer was full. In this situation you will be temporarily be prevented from shooti
109 Post contains images JayDavis : Colin, Thanks again for all your valuable input. I think I am going to get one high speed 512mb card and one high speed 1gb card. I think that is what
110 JayDavis : How many more days till the "Bad Boys arrive in the USA?????
111 Post contains images Ckw : The tension mounts! Just got a message from my dealer - he was expecting the cameras today, but as they haven't appeared by 2:30pm, he's assuming it w
112 JayDavis : Colin, This is great news, I think????? If UK gets them on the 22nd, surely the good ole USA can't be too much further behind. I would "hope" that my
113 Post contains images Ckw : If you get it tomorrow, you've got to let all of us know! Try stopping me ... gotta do something while the battery charges! Cheers, Colin
114 JayDavis : Got this from the DPReview site on a thread............ Is everyone happy now? This comes straight from the Canon Director/Technical Information Dept.
115 Post contains images Ckw : The battery is charging now! Yes, after a morning spent checking my email, answerphone and voicemail every 5 minutes, I got the call at lunchtime. I'm
116 Jan Mogren : Congrats on that great catch Colin! /JM
117 Fireguy274 : Congrads Colin cant wait to see some pics from that badboy...Artie
118 Post contains images JayDavis : Congrats Colin !! I'm calling my camera store right now in Dallas, TX USA !!!! Mine will be in on Tuesday !! Heading to Florida on Thursday !! Sweet !
119 JayDavis : So Colin, How is it? Are you still salivating at the mouth now that you actually have your hands on one of these EOS 1D Mark II's ??? Lets see some ph
120 Post contains images Ejazz : Jay I doubt we'll be hearing from Colin for a few days Cheers Bailey
121 Ejazz : Its here its here. Do not Disturb!
122 Post contains images Ckw : Well, I must say I'm impressed by this camera (actually intimidated is perhaps a better word at this point ) It is seriously scary how quickly you can
123 JayDavis : Thanks for the update Colin! I have a strange feeling my camera store already has them and they aren't telling me about it........I've read on the dpr
124 JayDavis : Earth to Colin, earth to Colin, come in Colin, come in........ Tell us about your camera !! Show us some shots !! Mine should be in on Monday after 3.
125 Fallingeese : There is a trade show in Calgary today. I got to play with one. It is very nice...too bad I shoot Nikon.
126 Ckw : OK, so I spent 90 minutes or so at SOU to day with my new toy - getting a little more familiar with it, and still loving it. Some shots from this sess
127 JayDavis : Colin, You're the MAN !!!! Thanks for the update.........if I can just hold on until Monday at 3.00 p.m. !! The weather is going to be crap here anywa
128 Ejazz : Now from a Competent Colin to ME. Jay...first off ensure that you have visited the gym that morning prior to attempting to lift the camera with batter
129 Ckw : Yes Jay, you can stack both convertors - of course conditions must be good, any haze (atmospheric or heat) will make this combo unusable. As Bailey sa
130 Ejazz : Hi Colin At the moment I'm shooting large JPEG with bog Standard selected on the colour matrix. I'm going to try the H.Saturat next right after a few
131 Ryangooner : Colin You are a walking talking advertisment for Canon , they should be paying you!!! im hooked so where am i gonna get my hands on one!!!!!??? look f
132 JayDavis : Thanks guys for all the tips. I'm a pretty big guy anyway so I can hold a heavy camera. I'm already using the EOS 1VHS plus a 1.4x or 2x converter and
133 Post contains images Ckw : they should be paying you!!! Did suggest that to my dealer ... funnily enough he didn't go for it Bailey - don't understand the issue with AF - I've f
134 Wietse : Colin, Great to hear that the camera suits you, I am drooling with envy... About the Canon software you need to use. I dont know if you are aware that
135 Ckw : Many thanks Wietse - I've been waiting for this! I'd checked for updates Thursday and nothing - looks like it was released yesterday. That's a real br
136 Ckw : Just downloaded and tested the PS CS updated - seems to work perfectly - great colours. Thanks again for the heads-up. Cheers, Colin
137 Wietse : No problem, good to know its working correctly. PS for those of you that do not have a 1D mk II, it is also advisable to download this update. It uses
138 JayDavis : I downloaded the new plug-in also and it installed just fine on Photoshop CS. Now I'm ordering my Compact Flash cards.......... Do I "actually" need t
139 Post contains links and images Ckw : The Sandisk "normal" cards are fine but they are slow - amongst the slowest in comparison tests. In general I don't think this will matter too much -
140 Lyzzard : Colin, great shot considering two TCs were stacked. I'm still amazed by the fact that AF was still available even losing something like 3 or 4 stops.
141 JayDavis : Great shot Colin. One more day till I get mine !! I'll probably buy one fast card at the camera dealer tomorrow and use the other card also. Guess I c
142 JayDavis : Colin, I know this may sound like a "very" stupid question but I hope not. Can you give me and maybe others, your work process for getting images from
143 Joe pries : I can just imagine what it would be like to try a similar shot with a similar setup but using a 10D instead... you'd be lucky to recognise the blurre
144 Ckw : Joe - I think the point of this example is that in this case I was using the 300 f4, 2x and 1.4 = effective aperture of f11. The 10D simply won't AF w
145 JayDavis : Thanks Colin !! I downloaded Breezebrowswer a few days ago. So you use this instead of the software Canon ships with it from what I gather? Is Focal B
146 Joe pries : Colin, I suppose i was referring to 300 2.8 IS with 2x converter on my part- with great results.
147 Post contains images Ckw : Jay - much prefer BB to the file manager supplied by Canon. FocalBlade - $49 (I think) - of the various sharpening tools available that I've tried, th
148 JayDavis : Hi Colin, Nope, haven't received mine yet........it is 1.42pm in Dallas and the store said to call at 3.00 p.m. I'm not going to call, I'm going down
149 JayDavis : I GOT IT !!!! I'm uploading the Canon software right now. Will purchase the Focal Blade later this evening and moving the shots I took at DFW this aft
150 Wietse : But doesnt the 1D have completely different batteries? Congrats btw Jay, I feel happy for you! Wietse
151 JayDavis : Well maybe it is the 10D, whatever he has, it worked!! I figured it out...........those are RAW files = .CR2 !! BIG learning curve ahead for me......
152 JayDavis : Okay, they all look out of focus..........I was shooting at 100 ISO, Program mode, with a 2x converter and my 70-200 f-2.8 lense. Any ideas????? Heat
153 Fireguy274 : Jay you must mean he has a 1D the batteries for the 10D and the 1D are totally different...What whas the aperature and shutterspeed of the out of focu
154 JayDavis : Hi Artie, I guess he does have the 1D. I was shooting in program mode and ISO was 100. No, my lense (for now) is not IS............how can I post some
155 Ejazz : Don't worry Jay if you've read my earlier post you'll see most of my first shots out of the 1D MkII were either out of focus or blurred because of an
156 Post contains images Ckw : Welcome to the club Jay! Perhaps starting out with a convertor attached was a bit ambitious ... as you say, there is a lot to learn, esp. since you ar
157 JayDavis : I'm going to Founder's Plaza this morning before going on sales calls and will shoot the early arrival bank at DFW. I won't use the converter either.
158 JayDavis : Okay, I got some more shots back today. I went to the LH cargo facility and only shot with my 70-200 f-2.8 L lense from Canon. By mistake, I forgot to
159 JayDavis : Okay, first off, I hope I don't get banned from the forum for posting this. I have 5 shots that were accepted on the other site tonight from my new EO
160 JeffM : They look nice Jay. Unmistakeably Canon! Fun getting to see the fruits of your labor right away isn't it? As a suggestion, learn to view the histogram
161 Post contains images JayDavis : Okay Jeff, Time for a histogram lesson. I have no clue what this is........ When I am using Photoshop CS to look at my images, obviously, I see this h
162 JeffM : Jay, In Photoshop CS, click on help, then search for "histogram" and read, read, read. The info shown in the CS histogram is the same you can see on t
163 Ckw : Jeff is correct Jay - the histogram is a very important tool on a DSLR. The basics are quite simple. Each bar on the graph represents one shade in the
164 Post contains images Manzoori : I'd definitely concur with Jeff and Colin, the histogram is an invaluable tool and one which allowed me with my inexperience to zero in on the apertur
165 Fireguy274 : Jay I looked at your shots at the other site and they look pretty good. I think a few may get accepted here. You have to be patient though...You just
166 JayDavis : Artie, I "tried" sending you the shots but your server rejected them. Thanks for the compliments !! Jay
167 Fireguy274 : I received my MKII yesterday and I charged the batteries overnight. I took it out today to try it out. Here is my take on the camera. The autofocus is
168 Post contains links and images Joe pries : I think like Joe Pries said before this camera will not make you a better photographer and you can take great pictures from the 10D, but I have to say
169 JeffM : I always wondered what lens you shot that with Joe. That photo was one reason I switched. LOVE IT.
170 Fireguy274 : Joe I hope you did not take me the wrong way. I agree with you 100 percent. The 10D is a great camera and a great photographer like you makes it look
171 Post contains images Joe pries : Jeff, I'm glad to hear that pal and most guys know my heart warms when I hear nikon owners tell me that they made the switch. Can't help but feel good
172 Post contains images Jaydavis : Praise the Lord, another Canon convert !!!! We'll show you the secret handshake later Jeff.......... I am in FLL right now. I am in town for the HUGE
173 Post contains images FLYBHX : Guys, Just a sideline on this if you can help. I've got a mk1 1D (typical bought just before the new one was announced ) If using something like the 3
174 Joe pries : Kevin, What i do with my 300 2.8 is this- in my carryon, i take the lens out of its hardcase, and wrap it in a t-shirt, then stuff it in with a full c
175 Fireguy274 : Kevin I just purchased a backpack camera case. It is very padded and allows for different configurations. I can put the MKII with a 720-200mm lens on
176 FLYBHX : That's great guys. I usually find that if I do get a stroppy check in clerk the mention of them signing personal responsibility for 4 figure sums for
177 Chris78cpr : Kevin, If you decide to sell the 1dmk1 and upgrade to the mk2 then can i be first on the list to buy the 1D! I am after one in the uk right now and no
178 Jan Mogren : >The hardcase gets checked in with checkin luggage (i should say inside one of the checking luggage- and i stuff film in it
179 FLYBHX : Chris, sorry but me and the 1D mk1 are just getting to like each other plus if I try and change cameras again there will be a funeral looming......min
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