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Preparation For Canon EOS 1D Mark II  
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

Since most of you have read the glowing review about this camera I wanted to post another subject about this camera.

As a non-digital photographer who is getting ready to make the leap, what items and/or things would you suggest in order to get up to speed as quickly as possible on this camera?

What types of software would you get and use? I just saw a post about a program called "Neat Image". For example, would you recommend that I purchase it before I get my camera? Any other ideas and thoughts would be most appreciated.

From my estimations, 14 days and counting..........!!


Jay


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User currently offlineBowen0614 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Jay, good to you. I hope you will enjoy your new camera.

I have just bought Nikon D70 and still testing the camera.

Bowen


User currently offlinePlanedoctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

I am buying the MkII with the hopes that Neat Image will be made obsolete because of lower noise levels! For high-volume indoor sports, having clean ISO 1600 images is what I am after. Neat Image works great, but takes too long for high volume stuff- even with the newer version.

As far as software I recommend Adobe Photoshop CS unless you already have it. An extra battery may be nice but supposedly the MKII is better in this regard as well. That is probably about it!

If you want to archive your images, you may want to come up with a way to do so on your computer- either with a RAID system or CD/DVD backup. I personally have the RAID system with redundancy backup on dual 160GB drives. Even those are filling up fast. With 8.5fps at ~8mb per raw file, your hard drive may fill up fast. I have had hard drives fail, so the RAID is a good investment I think, and it beats the time it takes to burn DVD backups.

But with just the camera, the software that comes with it, and a basic photo editing program you should have all the tools you really need.

-Ken


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Thanks for the tips Ken!

I don't have Photoshop CS, I just have 7.01 but am going to purchase the upgrade, probably today.

What is a RAID system? I have no idea.......I guess I'll be looking to get another HUGE hard drive also !!


Jay


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Jay,
The concept behind RAID (redundant array of independent/inexpensive disks) is that a level one RAID will provide disk mirroring. A technique in which data is written to two duplicate disks simultaneously. This way if one of the disk drives fails, the system can instantly switch to the other disk without any loss of data or service. Disk mirroring is used commonly in on-line database systems where it's critical that the data be accessible at all times, but isn't generally necessary for personal computers.

While hard disks are cheap enough for building a RAID setup, what you will end up with is a bunch of hard disks sitting somewhere with all of your pictures on them. They will fail at sometime, you just cannot tell when.

CD/DVD technology has progressed sufficiently to the point where they have become extremely reliable and inexpensive. I have found that making two back up copies of the days shoot on CD, and then when I have enough to fill a DVD, I then copy individual days onto a DVD. I usually make two copies of that as well. Keep them in different locations for safety and you should be fine.

When making prints and storing in an album, I usually burn a CD of the albums images and stick it in a sleeve inside the album. That way years down the road, an original image file will be handy, as it is on the CD inside the album. Much better then negatives.

What you may want to do is visit some of the digital photography forums and read up on different organization methods. Ken is right. You are going to have so many more images then with film, and you will need an orderly method to catalog them, regardless of how you store them.

Jeff


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Well I went and bought Photoshop CS today, the upgrade is $180.00.

Now if my camera will get here, I'll be all ready!


Jay


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

JeffM provided an excellent description of how RAID works, as well as smart backup techniques, but there's one point I want to make in addition to his: RAID itself is not a backup. RAID is great for providing some measure of redundancy, but if you are concerned about the continued integrity of your images, you must have an external means of storing your photographs (as JeffM does.)

RAID is great for making a big, reliable volume for storage, but if lighting strikes your computer, frying your drives, or your house burns down, then it doesn't matter how many drives your data is mirrored to; however, if you have an album full of DVDs stored at your office or in a safe deposit box, well, you'll be in much better shape. Another backup option would be to buy one internal drive and one external drive that connects via USB or Firewire; every so often, copy your image directory to the external drive and unplug it from your computer and store it someplace safe.

Overall, hard drives are getting big enough and cheap enough that I almost wouldn't recommend a RAID storage solution; the temptation of a false sense of security is a lot to overcome (believe me, I know.) If you get another big drive and are very conscientious about backing up your images to an external medium, then there will be very few situations where RAID will prevent you from losing data.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlinePlanedoctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

I do use CD's as well for important shoots (either family or client shots), but I still find them too small. DVD's might be an option but the burner I used was so darn slow I wanted to curse out loud. From what I have heard CD's don't last forever, either. I wish there was a perfect solution, but I have not found it yet. Are DVD burners significantly faster now than 6 months ago?

-Ken


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Good points about the RAID. They are not foolproof, and I have seen more then one array fail completely. Backing up is the answer. A pain, but good practice.

Ken,
my hp DVD +R burner can write a 4 gig DVD in about 15 minutes, or there about. Speedy? No. Reliable? So far. Just don't put paper labels on them. I have found a few movies I have backed up, act funny toward the end of the movie. But I have not had an issue with pictures only. I usually burn a few days or weeks to multiple CD's of different brands, then when I have enough, burn to DVD. Only when I have tried the cd/dvd on two different desktops and my laptop, do I remove them from my hard drive.

v/r
Jeff


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 730 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

I use the CD/DVD solution myself (I have both a CD and DVD burner).

I make immediate copies of a shoot on CD (Nero lets me burn CDs in both burners at the same time, so making 2 copies is very quick). One CD is kept at home, the other in the office for extra security.

Once the images are sorted, edited etc., files are written to a DVD - I've never actually timed the DVD burner, but since I can do this as a background task speed isn't an issue.

Life expectancy of any storage media is a concern, so I think it will be necessary to periodically re-copy to whatever the latest storage is (I've just been reburning old CDs onto DVD).

Given falling costs on both burners and media, I think this is probably the most cost effective solution for now.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Has anyone on this forum actually received a Canon EOS 1D Mark II yet?
Anxious to know if you like it or not.........any comments???


Jay


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 730 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

If only ... I kinda think you'll know about it when someone gets one. Talked to my dealer Saturday, still no definite news. Apparently the person at Canon UK dealing with allocations has been away on holiday. Perhaps later this week ...

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Thanks Colin,

The word I got was April 26th from the Canon Rep when he was in my camera store in Dallas. I am "supposedly" # 3 on "the list" at this store. I should be, since I've already paid them $4500.00 for it !!


Jay


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

It was hardly a few years ago that the 3 megapixel D30 ran the scene.

Now this 8.2 mp cam is hitting the scene. My God. Very intimidating.




Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

And the D30 was almost the same price when it was introduced as the Mk II now will be...

Staffan


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 730 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Now this 8.2 mp cam is hitting the scene

Don't think its so much the pixels that are the story here - 8mp isn't that significant a leap over 6mp - but I think this is the first DSLR that can go head to head with the best film SLR and hold its own, with no compromises except arguably the 1.3 crop (though many of us see that as a plus).

Add to that the amazing high ISO performance (which appears better than any high speed film), and I think this may be the camera that makes using film look a bit quirky (at least amongst the pro community).

Perhaps what is equally amazing is that if its pixels you're after you can get the 8mp in 5 different prosumer digicams now.

Just counting the days until I can turn theory into practice - I'm jumping like a scalded cat everytime my phone rings during shop hours  Smile

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 719 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Not here yet either. Possibly 24 April but who knows.

Not forgetting the 45 point AF too and for me the biggest plus.....a 40 image buffer....no more the camera telling me its had enough, usually when the once in a lifetime shot appears.



Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlinePepef From Finland, joined Oct 2002, 440 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

I just purchased an external hard drive with an USB 2.0 connection (160 gigabytes) as back up. Inexpensive and fast.
I keep the important photos on drive C: and also on the external hard drive. Once I burn a CD/DVD, I remove the corresponding files from C:.

I recently lost 17.000 images due to a corrupt windows registry and this prompted me to start thinking about back-ups.
About 15.000 were aeroplane images, so no real harm was done.  Smile

If this ever happens to you, get File Scavenger. Even after installing a new operating system (XP) and formatting the drive, this program found and rescued about 10.000 of my images.

-Peter Fagerström-


User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 719 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

My IBM HDD began to have problems and so as a precaution I backed up the entire drive onto an external Maxtor 300GB HDD. Little did I know that the 11 month old IBM HDD was so knackered it just backed up rubbish. Tried File Scavenger and another HDD recovery program and between them they recovered zero, ziltch nada of my precious aircraft and porn pics.

Now I back up every photo shoot and double check its on the external HDD and readable. Given up on CDs as too little can be stored on them when you consider the size of todays raw files.

As with Skymonsters CF card warning hope this info will help someone someday.



Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

...my precious aircraft and porn pics
 Wow!  Laugh out loud  Wow!  Laugh out loud  Wow!  Laugh out loud

Well... at least your honest!  Wink/being sarcastic

Cheers!

Rez
 Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Ejazz said: Not here yet either. Possibly 24 April but who knows.

Not you getting one too! Talk about needing to keep up with the Jones' - or maybe its the Work's! And to think, when I first corresponded with you... What did that all start???

Andy


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

One thing a friend of mine just brought up. If you get low priced 512mb flash cards, they will fill up rather quickly with 8mb images in RAW mode. He said you'd get about 24 shots per card, at best..........

something to think about.

Jay


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 730 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

That doesn't make sense - even simple maths tells me that 512/8 = 64!

In practice, RAW files are not of a constant size (depends on both the nature of the image and ISO). As noise increases file size I would also expect the MkII images to be slightly more efficient. I would expect to get around 60 on a 512mb card (I get about 80+ with the 10D).

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Well my Math skills are not worth sh** Colin  Smile !!

You are correct. 60 shots isn't too bad on a 512 card per se.
I still might get a couple of the cheapies...........


Jay


User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 719 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Skymonster

Yes, I confess I'm guilty. I heard how Colins photographs might be greatly improved by this camera and thought maybe it could help me too  Smile




Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 25, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Well since this is the first digital camera I have owned, I have no place to go but up in my photography skills  Smile !!




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