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Bad Level Or Bad Motiv Or Both?  
User currently offlineEmbraer145 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 311 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Hi everybody.

Is there anybody who can help me with this picture.

http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=BritishMidlandERJ145G-RJXG09-04-04.jpg

It is rejected because of Bad Motiv. My question is: Is it because the picture is not level if you compare it to the runways (If you check the red/white pole above the engine it is level or there must be some really bad engineers at Copenhagen)? Or is it because of the fence in the foreground of the picture. If so do we have to ask the people of CPH-airport to remove or to lower them.
Everybody who has been there knows the situation and it is also known that taxiing traffic taking an early exit from the runway is very close to the spotting point so you can not avoid that a part of the fence is on the picture. If I cut it away with Photoshop you get a very wide but not high picture.

Every advise is welcome.

regards Aart


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Bad timing causing the bad motive in my opinion. The excuse of the aircraft being too close causing the fence to fall in the frame can be overcome with a wider lens, or a ladder I would think? Maybe not, but from appearances it would.

Additionally, you cut in half two other aircraft, and have a windsock growing from the fuselage. I would have waited until the a/c cleared those obstructions.

Jeff


User currently offlineTimdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3022 times:
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Aart,

Too much of the fence visible, so yes that's why it's badmotive.

Tim




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User currently offlineMikec From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 247 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

If rejected badmotiv then it must be the fence in the foreground. I'd have thought it if were the horizon being unlevel, it would have got a badcameraangle rejection

User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2994 times:
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Hi all

Agree with the screener who rejected.

Just a little too much going on, birds, fence, antennae, sock, aircraft.

Cheers

Gary


User currently offlineEmbraer145 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

OK Gary

I will send Copenhagen airport a kind request to remove all obstacles close to the spottingpoints so we can make obstacle free pictures of the aircraft. Do you really think somebody is looking for the fence when he wants to see this picture in the large configuration?
I think it is the disadvantage of me to make pictures of aircraft on the runway or taxiway. And it is clear that not every airport has that much water surround than AMS to avoid fences in sight of the spottingpoints. I like this kind of photography so you can actually see on what airport the pictures are taken. And due to the fact that I have no possibility to take pictures inside the perimeter of the airport or better at the ramp of the airport I have to be happy with a part of a fence sometimes.
I think I start making pictures of aircraft in the approach. Then it doesn't matter what airport you claim as location for your pictures. How can you check that a Airbus A320 of Lufthansa is in Paris, Madrid, London, Copenhagen or whatever.

Just one example: just placed in the database
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/559990/L/
It is only the 67th picture of this B747. Also with a fence at the foreground, half an engine on the picture and a lot of disturbing poles and buildings in the background.
Let me make clear this is only an example. I am happy for Stuart that his photo is added, but the reasons rejections sometimes give me a feeling that it depends on the taste of the screeners who will see the pictures. And I know that every picture is screened by several screeners so that is no excuse.

Regards
Aart



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

".. My question is:...."

You asked.

Let us know how the request to remove all that junk at the airport goes....

v/r
Jeff


User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Aart,
on that location you need to use a step ladder to get rid of the fence.
Or, you could go to the fence 50 meters to the left and shoot over the fence.
/JM



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User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

3 things Aart:

1. I understand you are new in this forum so I will be easy on you.

2. It is very bad form to single out pictures from other photographers. Doesnt matter if you say its a good pic or not, it is just not done.

3. Rules are rules, not need to get sarcastic on this one!



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User currently offlineEmbraer145 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

3 answers Wietse

1 I am not new in the forums. Only I am not that active with sending posts. Partly due to my work and partly most of the topics doesn't interest me.

2. As mentioned It is not personal against this photographer. I see loads of topics where pictures are used from several photographers. As well with positive and negative comments.

3. Rules are rules???? I have seen other messages where people are getting hard against hard to each other. As far as I know I have insulted nobody personally. Actually I have only tried to raise a subject. And OK there will always somebody be engaged. I always thought that public forums are meant for this kind of discussions



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User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Aart,

ok, but in this case, the answer is pretty clear, not? There is too much rubbish in this pic, thats it. You dont have to react to that by saying:

I will send Copenhagen airport a kind request to remove all obstacles close to the spottingpoints so we can make obstacle free pictures of the aircraft. Do you really think somebody is looking for the fence when he wants to see this picture in the large configuration?

The rules are the rules in this case!







Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineEmbraer145 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Wietse

OK you have convinced me.
In the future I will make "airport anonymous" approach shots. or go back in the winter so I can make pictures of the runway further away from the fence. The problem at this time of the year is the heat disturbance. Which will result in rejections. But don't worry. I am selecting my own pictures and will not even try to upload them because I know it is senseless. And I am a person who will not tire the screeners with pictures of which I know myself they are worthless.



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