Wannabe From United States, joined Jun 1999, 662 posts, RR: 4 Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
At the risk of starting an Airbus vs. Boeing food fight, I thought I would fire up this topic. I've been waiting to make the investment in a DSLR, and have been real close to going with the 300D. But having looked this weekend at the Nikon D70, I am now re-thinking my plans. The D70 seems like a better camera, at least from it's feel. But since you are all the experts, let's hear what you'all have to say. (Not that anyone here is ever at a loss for words )
I have no investment yet in either brand, and about $2500 to spend. What would you do? No emotions please, just the facts.
JeffM From United States, joined May 2005, 3247 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2614 times:
The d70 is a full featured camera. The 300d is not. But Canon has better IS lenses. I own both a D100 and a 10d. I prefer the 10d using Canon's L IS lenses.
Futterman From United States, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 55 Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2612 times:
Like Jeff said, the D70 right off the bat has a healthy combination of features and technology. I haven't read enough about the camera to make a proper comparison, but the D70 is much closer to the 'pro' (as opposed to 'budget') DSLRs than it's Canon counterpart.
Not to say the 300D isn't an amazing hunk of metal...err...plastic. Go ask Justin 'Terminal Hobo' Cederholm.
As far as lenses are concerned, and I have to agree once more with Jeff, Canon gets my vote. If you go for the 300D, and stick up for some serious L glass, you'll be banging out great stuff. ie: Chad Thomas (300D/100-400, 70-200). I'll let him plug his own work...it's getting late.
Mx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 805 posts, RR: 22 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
Well, In my opinion it is a divided decision.
I'll expose my points just as I have experienced them.
I don't want that this sounds as competition but I'll compare some of the shots I've taken standing next to an outstanding photographer whom is Ricardo Morales.
I think Canon images have better colors. Nikon is kind of more "cold colored"
I would pick Canon if what you like are colors.
Here are some examples of shots taken the same day at the same place. ( I shoot Canon, Ricardo does Nikon)
Nikon is faster though. Ricardo can shoot more images and are stored quicker on his camera than on mine. First I thought it was a matter of the CF card but is not. We even changed cards and his camera was faster and could shoot more images.
Most of Ricardo's shots are more sharpthan mine. I do have an old lens and it has a lot to do. I'll get a new one soon so then we'll see...
That is what I can say so far. Hope I was helpful... Anyways they are both great cameras worth every penny you pay for them.
Conclusion... Canon for colors. Nikon for quantity and speed.
AndrewUber From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2395 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
Canon. Period. You won't miss the features on the D70 unless you plan to take up extreme professional photography. Even then, most pro's will tell you (as they did above!) that Canon is still better.
I was going for a 10D, but could only afford the 300D with an IS lens. I chose the 300D, and was planning to auction it within a month or two so I could upgrade. I've now had it for 3 months, and my mad money is going for more glass - NOT the 10D. The 300D is absolutely perfect for me.
Not to feed the "Nikon vs Canon" fire here, but in my opinion there's just no comparison. Check these images out - they are straight out of my 300D - the only postprocessing done to them is a crop and resize.
Glennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 65 Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2563 times:
>they are straight out of my 300D - the only postprocessing done to them is a crop and resize.
Ouch!
Being a 10D user and a screener, I would recommend against others with the 300D uploading without an edit.
Unlike most of the lower end digitals (which are really designed for DPOF), Canon design their higher end DSLR's for the professional market and as such
10D images are
1. softer out of camera than low end
2. Less saturation than low end
300D images are an extra +1 sharpened, but Photoshop does a MUCH better job. Canon DSLR images respond extremely well to USM
Glenn
Respected users.... If my replies are useful, then by all means...
Scbriml From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2003, 8894 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
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The D70 is looking like a more than credible competitor to the 300D. Combine it with the AF-S VR 70-200 f/2.8G IF-ED lens, and it's a great combo. I want one, and I want it now!
Ckw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
The thing is that which ever model you buy, it will be superceded by the competition in no more than a year. Whichever model you buy, the likelihood is you will want to upgrade it within 2 to 3 years.
Hence I suggest you look at the system and ignore the camera - either one is capable of producing excellent quality, and any variations between output can largely be replicated in Photoshop anyway.
I would think about which lenses you want now and in the future and go with the company(s) that is most likely to meet your needs/match your wallet.
Staffan From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
A digital body doesn't last very long and you'll probably replace it within a few years, but you'll be stuck with the lenses. It's more about chosing a system rather than just a digital body unless you are filthy rich and can afford to buy new lenses every time you change the body.
My suggestion is to go to a photo store for a few hours and try a few nikons and a conons.
If you think the nikon feels better, then by all means buy that. But once you decide for a brand, it can be very expensive to change your mind.
Neither Canon or Nikon are bad, just look at the "wars" we see here from time to time, both sides feel pretty strong for the respective system, so it's basically just a matter of personal taste.
AndrewUber From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2395 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2512 times:
Glenn-
You said "I would recommend against others with the 300D uploading without an edit". You're right, most photos DO need post processing. I uploaded those shots straight out of the camera to prove a point - the 300D is absolutely capable of doing so. It even made it past the screening process at airliners.net which I'm sure you'll agree is one of the strictest out there!
I do quite a bit of post processing on most of my images. Some more than others, of course, but you're right - most do need it. But I'm still amazed at the quality of the JPG data that comes out of the Rebel.
My acceptance to rejection ratio has gone dramatically up since I bought the Rebel... I really REALLY wish we could track that statistic!!!
Mikephotos From United States, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2477 times:
Canon. Period. You won't miss the features on the D70 unless you plan to take up extreme professional photography. Even then, most pro's will tell you (as they did above!) that Canon is still better.
That was the funniest thing I have ever read. So, basically, the D70 is "better" but only if you're an extreme professional. But then, even if you're an extreme professional, you'll say Canon is better. Boy or boy, you Canon guys are funny as $hit Bwhahahahaha
It even made it past the screening process at airliners.net which I'm sure you'll agree is one of the strictest out there!
"Making it past the screening process at airliners.net" is more skill of the photographer then the camera. You put a 2MP sub-compact digital camera in the hands of a pro like Joe P, Tim D & Andy M vs. a 300D or D70 in the hands of a total newbie and I'll bet you'll see more accepted photos from the 2MP guys. Yes, a 300D (or D70) certainly makes lifer easier but I wouldn't review a camera (a make a buying choice) based on how it performs on the airliners.net screening circuit.
Mx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 805 posts, RR: 22 Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2467 times:
AndrewUber, My acceptance to rejection ratio has gone dramatically up since I bought the Rebel... I really REALLY wish we could track that statistic!!!
Staffan From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2459 times:
Getting a photo past the screeners on a.net can hardly be considered as a benchmark for how good a camera is.. just as getting many views on a photo isn't a benchmark on how good of a photographer you are.
Maiznblu_757 From United States, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 59 Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
Manzoori From Christmas Island, joined Sep 2002, 1499 posts, RR: 49 Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2378 times:
Juan,
Just looking at yours and Ricardo's shots... from the thumbnails the images from the Nikon do indeed appear to have more of a 'golden' look to them, but isn't that down to the post processing choices?
Cheers!
Rez
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Maiznblu_757 From United States, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 59 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
Mia777 From United States, joined Sep 2002, 1161 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
I think Colin hit the nail on the head (as always)...think about what you want in years to come and then think about the lenses you are going to have when you decide to upgrade. I really like Canon's large selection of IS lenses and pretty much all of the L glass allows for incredible images (in terms of sharpness) and are very fast. If this is your first DSLR, you may not even need the extra features that the D70 has (well maybe speed if you are doing sports, etc.). However, look at guys like Jeff Miller who posted above that he is very happy with his switch from Nikon especially because of the great lenses Canon has to offer. The choice is yours...
LGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2329 times:
Hahahaha you digital guys make me laugh.
I guess atleast me and McLaughlin don't have to waste our money every 2 years buying a new camera like you digital guys do because our camera's don't get superceded by the competition.
Maiznblu_757 From United States, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 59 Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
because our camera's don't get superceded by the competition.
LOL. You mean, your cameras do not get superceded over and over again, they have already been superceded once.
Copa737 From Panama, joined Jan 2002, 331 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
I prefer the Canon 300D, which is the one that I have.
I talked with Juan Carlos and Ricardo from Mexico about the cameras, and the D70 have some advantages over the 300D, as a faster shutter and more features etc. But I prefer Canon colors and image quality.
I made my decision for the Canon 300D because all my lens were Canon. And the camera was selling in Panama for a good price.
Manzoori From Christmas Island, joined Sep 2002, 1499 posts, RR: 49 Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
Thanks for the update Juan!
Cheers!
Rez
Flightlineimages DOT Com Photographer & Web Editor. RR Turbines Specialist
Kay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1873 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2239 times:
I don't have a digital camera and it would be my first SLR too. From what I've seen, Canon colors have always been better, since the days of the G3. However, I also do believe that the "yellowish" tone seen on Mr. Ricardo Morales' pictures is not something seen on other D70 pictures. The color difference isn't so accentuated and can definitely be replicated on Photoshop. Joint with the fact that the D70 feels more pro in one's hand, it is not a bad deal.
There's a very large number of 300D users on here who learnt a long time ago how to make the most of their cameras. There are less D70 users, thus less awesome pictures to see.
Canon colors are irreplaceable. But the fast clicking and feel of the D70 might take the edge for someone like me, for whom both cameras will produce more than acceptable pictures. And I might shoot sports too.
Wannabe From United States, joined Jun 1999, 662 posts, RR: 4 Reply 25, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2171 times:
Well, I thank you all for your responses. On top of all the pro-Canon responses, I spoke to an old acquaintance who now shoots tennis tournaments. He also shoots Canon, and told me that, if I want to upgrade a body in the future, he has both 10D and 1D bodies he would consider selling. So.....based upon this, I went with Canon at Adorama in NYC. Bought the 300D with the kit lens, along with a 512 card, the 70-200 4.0 and some other toys. Look for my glorious posts to start flowing soon.
Again, thank you all for the responses. This is a great forum.
26 JeffM: When you get done at Stewart, cross the river and get some shots at Dutchess County Aiport will 'ya? I used to live about 4-5 miles from there, and th
27 Mia777: Jeff-- You used to live in Dutchess county? Is that where Green Haven and Pawling (also Poquag) are? Anyways, to make my post somewhat relevant...good
28 JeffM: Poughkeepsie. I used to live there. Jeff
29 Wannabe: JeffM, Does this mean you're a beamer or ex-beamer?
30 Wannabe: I'm a true member now. Got my DSLR, L Glass and my first two rejections. Here they are if you want to see them. Comments to make me a better shot a
31 Maiznblu_757: Great shots. It looks like your post processing is what killed you. Those photos might be able to be saved. I also noticed your crop was off. I usuall
32 Wannabe: Probably. They were shot in late afternoon, around 1/2 hour before sunset. I tried to reduce the shadows, but it's my first time playing with photosho
33 Jwenting: In any and all comparisons between the two the D70 blows the 300D completely away. Better mechanical and optical quality, higher performance, better f
34 Jeffm: "As to Canon having more IS lenses, SO WHAT? There's no need for image stabilisation in many of the IS lenses Canon offers, it's just a marketing gimm
35 Staffan: "In any and all comparisons between the two the D70 blows the 300D completely away. Better mechanical and optical quality, higher performance, better
36 B777: Wannabe, congrats on your new camera! I have gone Canon recently too...just aquired a used D30. My main reason for choosing the Canon over Nikon was m
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