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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Me and Richter were out shooting today, and we were stopped at spot "I." Apparantly the spot between the LSG Sky Chefs building and the Frontier Hangar is now no longer a good place to shoot. Basically it happened like this:

Guy in pickup approaches us and says (in an almost unrecognizable speech pattern): "you permissionshoot pictuhs (waves finger in our direction)." To which we replied that we didn't. So he asked us to leave.

I wish they would at least get security guards that can speek english. That would definetly help us out alot.

We moved down to Rental Car Road and had no problems whatsoever, several security and FAA vans passed us and just waved.

Time to cross out spot I.

Eric

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User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Ummm... you were not supposed to go to that area anymore. This has been discussed before. That area and the hill has been off limits for a long time. Why did you go?  Confused

That is not good for us here, we do not need more attention. I hope you did not ruin anything for us. I do not want this to come across wrong, but I feel this was stupid on your part. The rest of us know not to go there as we know we will get stopped.


Argghh..... Pissed

Aaron Mandolesi
Denver, Colorado


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

We were in area I, just south of the hill. We had a printed copy of this map, and we thought I was still good. We weren't on the hill.

To see the map, scroll down to Jeff's reply. We were in the blue area just below the F9 hangar

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/12346

Is this not up to date?

Eric


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Aaron,
Things are going to be much, much worse in about two weeks. Signs will be going up all over. They didn't do anything wrong...

Jeff


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Is DEN about to be completely off-limits to photographers?

Crap. Time to start driving south, COS here I come  Big thumbs up

 Crying

Eric


User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

I know exactly where you were. I know you were not on the hill. I know the spot in between the F9 Hangar and the Sky Chefs Place.

We should all know that security over there is tight with a guard shack not too far off. Plus don't you think the people at Sky Chefs will not look at you or security that drives by? You are very noticed in this area, just like the hill, hence why it is off limits. So why make yourself so vulnerable and plus make more of a reason for security to get on us. The more they get on us, the more they will keep doing it, no matter who is out there.

Sorry for the rant. I just don't want anything ruined.

Arggh....


Aaron Mandolesi
Denver, Colorado


User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Jeff, I know he really did not do anything wrong. The point is, I just don't want the security on us more. Just creates an effect on all of us out there.


Also, that sucks about the signs. Last time they said that, they never did. Just a scare you think?


Aaron Mandolesi
Denver, Colorado


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

No scare, It's for real. I spoke with the Deputy Director of Aviation Security on the phone the other day.

I can't talk on the phone, I'm on a conference call.

Eric,
Those maps are not worth the ink you printed them with any more.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Eric,
Those maps are not worth the ink you printed them with any more.


Good thing Richter was the one that printed them, then?

That really sucks. So far the only place where We can shoot now is the 35's and Rental Car Road? Security vans passed us several times on Rental Car road and we weren't stopped there.

Damn.

Eric


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

at least for the next two weeks... I will be notified before the signs go up, but don't expect much more then 2 weeks. Don't forget the 16's.... and 8/26 as well

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Yeah, we were up at the 16's for about five minutes before we went down to the Sky Chef's building.

When we left Sky Chefs for Rental Car road, as we passed by the 16's, an AS 734 was on Short Final. Richter said he saw it from the corner of his eye and nearly Shit himself because he thought it was a truck about to sideswipe him.

Pretty funny as I was driving behind him and saw him swerve a little.

But I thought 8/26 was off-limits

Eric


User currently offlineZoomer From Netherlands, joined Dec 2000, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

America, land of the free! My arse! I get the impression there are quite a few of you in DEN. Why don't you guys get organized and negotiate with the airport authorities? If they refuse to co-operate at all enlist the help of the local press and show them examples (such as Vienna, Austria and Manchester, UK) where the local spotters/photographers are issued I/Ds and/or have been enlisted to help the airport authorities with security around the perimeter! Try and find yourselves a lawyer who will take your case on for free (he/she will benefit from the free publicity) to fight for the basic American rights of freedom that Bush and his cronies spit out all day long. I still am amazed that with thousands of aviation spotters/photographers in the USA you haven't formed an association of aviation entusiasts.

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Zoomer, wow, so easy, why didn't we think of that.

I guess you don't understand the legalities of dealing with such issues on private property. You can have all the associations you want, won't mean a thing.

I am amazed at comments from people like you that try and tell us about American Rights.. living in a country like the Netherlands.....


User currently offlineZoomer From Netherlands, joined Dec 2000, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2830 times:

Hey, I spend a great deal of time in America and I'm not American bashing. You're going on the defensive because you've failed to grasp what I'm saying. By the way, I'm not Dutch and I have lived in 4 different countries. "Legalities" and "private property" has no bearing on the issue of getting organized and entering into negotiations with the appropriate airport authorities. EDUCATE them! You never know, if you present your case well and make them realize that aviation entusiasts are a source of FREE security, it might just work. As I said, it's been done at other airports. Or is it that when you say "private property" you mean private as in not airport property? That of course is another matter altogether - but still potentially negotiable. At my local airport I photograph mainly from public roads etc. However, there is one spot I like which is the private property of a company not even remotely connected with the airport. I went for a chat with the boss, explained what I did and would he mind if from time to time I used his parking lot (which is never full). He happily agreed.

User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2817 times:




>>>>Aaron,
Things are going to be much, much worse in about two weeks. Signs will be going up all over. They didn't do anything wrong...

Jeff<<<<<

Lets just take a minute and give thanks to the members of Bush Fear machine....Dick Cheney....Don Rumy......Tom Ridge.....

There is so much ignorance being passed off on these types of matters. What is really interesting is the TSA said two weeks ago that aviation wasnt as much of a concern as the Rail and Trucking industry.






Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineAtomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

I worked for the TSA, trust me when I say they are not going to enlist us as free security. They can't even get reliable service out of their paid security forces right now. If the TSA touches it, make sure they didn't steal half.

If you really want to you can get special access to get escorted around DIA inside the fence at the price of a small fortune. If you aren't going to drop some serious cash for them, then they only see you as a security risk and thats all.

It will be intersting to see what the signs say that are on roads such as rental car road, 35s, 16s, and even out on 08. They can't just say "no trespassing" or you will not be allowed to drive on the roads. I guess the wording of the signs will show us how bad the idea of trying to get to know the security forces was. At the time it sounded like a great idea to make ourselves known but now it seems to be backfiring. Oh well, we shall see... Looking forward to seeing these signs!


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Zoomer,

The property surrounding DIA is owned by the airport. This "zone" of private property extends more then a mile outward from the perimeter fence. Allowing public access or not is their perogative. Everything you mention has been approached with them, and dismissed. Thank you anyway.

Randy,
Your political ranting has long passed "Old and worn out", and I won't even comment on them. I do find it amusing that you use the term "ignorance". I was not aware that you were a such an expert.

Tim,
Some of the signs will likely be "no tresspassing" out around 08/26. The others I imagine will be "no stopping or standing" around rental car road, the 35's, and the 16's. And anywhere else they see fit to place one.

Jeff


User currently offlineAtomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Well if they are going to play that game, I say we make sure they have to spend alot of money on putting signs up all around the airport. All 55 sq. miles of it or however big it is. If they put them in the good locations just move down to the bad locations till signs go up there.

I will also never understand how the public airport of DIA is private property. Where did they get the money to pay for it from?

This is all very frustrating! I hope they don't start pulling this trick with parks and so on. Maybe they need to put up some signs like that over in Rocky Mtn Park? Mesa Verde? They are all wide open to terrorists!


User currently offlineAtomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

That "no stopping or standing" will be tough to work around.

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Where did they get the money? The former Mayor (and the current one) are dyed in the wool "Tax 'em to death" Liberals.... Increased taxes and bonds.

I agree, they are going to be very busy, and it is going to cost them a lot in new signs. I do think that if we are in such danger, that media should be alerting the entire Denver area to the increased threat don't you? Or maybe it is going to be "safe" for the next two weeks, then it will be dangerous.....


User currently offlineAtomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

So the money came from the people of Denver... Yet the airport is private property...

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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

"That "no stopping or standing" will be tough to work around."

Doesn't that usually apply to vehicle traffic only??? If so, wouldn't it still be feasible to park over at the Conoco on rental row, buy a few drinks and snacks from them so that we are legit customers, and then hike over to the good spot on rental row?

Greg

Edit: I see Craig Mills posted virtually the exact same thing in the other DEN thread, which I didnt read til after I posted this...kinda weird...

[Edited 2004-04-30 02:39:33]


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User currently offlineAtomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

I have never been to that location really, too many people can see you there and get nervous about what you are doing there. Do you guys actually go on the north side of the road there or are you standing in the dirt parking lot beside the gas station?

I really don't think they will come up to you as you stand next to the sign that says "no stopping/standing" and say "ohh ok I didn't realize you were eating a sandwich from the gas station, by all means hang out a bit."





User currently offlineHisham From Lebanon, joined Aug 1999, 701 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

It's regulated public land. They can limit access within reason. What they're doing is almost an abuse of power.
There are plenty of cases in which a judge overturns the rules of government agencies when they are excessive. I don't see how this situation is different. This is the US for God's sake!!!!

Hisham.


User currently offlineUnited4everDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Maybe we should contact channel 7, they slogan is "working for you" Since I am "you", maybe there is something they can do?

25 CFIcraigAPA : Great minds think alike, Greg! Tim, the buying the drink/sub from Conoco would really just be so they couldn't hassle us for parking in the lot and no
26 CFIcraigAPA : I doubt Channel 7 or any media would be sympathetic to our plight. They wouldn't stand to gain anything by helping us. No rating, no viewer share. Not
27 JeffM : I think the news should be alerted to the grave danger, and imminent threats that they must have recieved. Why else would they need those "seriously e
28 Maiznblu_757 : Geez, isnt there something you guys can do to possibly get them to consider an official observation area?
29 Maiznblu_757 : Oh wait, then the airport would be like KSAN, one spot, very boring after a while.
30 JeffM : I don't want a spot like that, I would rather choose my own. Just because they put up signs, doesn't mean we are shut out. We will just have to be mor
31 Vafi88 : Geez, isnt there something you guys can do to possibly get them to consider an official observation area? You mean like give them a few million bucks
32 United4everDEN : I may go anyway, sign or no signs. If they ask me to move along, I will go somewhere else.
33 Maiznblu_757 : Vitaly, Just move, then youll be all set.
34 Post contains images United4everDEN : "so they can get guys to plan it" Let us do the planning!
35 USAFHummer : Its not unheard of for the media to get involved...a few years ago when there was a crisis in FLL regarding the seemingly permanent closure of the vie
36 United4everDEN : This maybe going a little far, but Tom Martino? Another guy, I have had help me with other aviation related problems , and even published an internet
37 USAFHummer : Christopher Elliott? *gag* I'm not familiar with Tom Martino though... Greg[Edited 2004-04-30 05:41:28]
38 JeffM : I know this may not jive with my statements above, but let's just wait and see what the signs say, and where they go. If we react improperly, the medi
39 Post contains images DLKAPA : This maybe going a little far, but Tom Martino? Another guy, I have had help me with other aviation related problems , and even published an internet
40 Zoomer : I still can't help frowning at the irony of Bush preaching freedom and democracy to the world whilst these very things are being erroded in his own co
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