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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Hello everyone...

I'm considering a new, DSLR camera, and I'd like any suggestions/tips/tricks/etc. that you guys could provide. I don't need absolute top-of-the-line, but maybe something around the 300D...that is, I'm limited to something around AU$3000, including lenses, a little more if necessary. Currently, I shoot with an Olympus C750 which, though I plan to continue using for a while, I want to replace with something very good that will give me a lot of growing room. I have looked at Canon's website, and am wondering what the differences between the 10D and 300D are (other than price, of course). Also, there are a few different kits available - what are the differences and which do you guys recommend? What other lenses might I have to buy (zoom or other)? Any other necessary accesories?

Of course, I'd be happy to try something other than the above Canons, provided that they're about equivalent in all respects. However, most people seem to rave about those 10/300 Ds, so...

Yes, so any advice? All other hints are very welcome...

Thanks very, very much in advance!!
QantasA332

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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

My 300D does the job. Had a small issue a couple days ago, but, I think it was more my fault that the camera's fault.



User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Alright, thanks for that! Any other tips/suggestions/help that might help me?

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

Would go for the 10D, i know alot of non aviation photographers who bought a 300d but then sold it/returned it because it was lacking in areas the 10D isnt!!!

10d=
Metal Body
Selectable ai servo in any mode incl av/s/m and p!
battery life is apparently slightly better than the 300d when both cams have grips attached!
The 300d has in camera setting for jpeg which are more styled towards P&S style images, 10D has very neutral settings!!!
The 10D has a much bigger RAW/Jpeg buffer! 3fps for 9frmaes against the 300D's 3fps for 4 frames!

On the other hand, if you are shooting RAW then these in cam setting dont matter a toss.

What ever bosy you get the key to getting good pics is good glass and good technique! If you can use the camera probably then it helps a lot more!!!

Oh 10D files need more processing than 300D files, this is a good thing i think, more control!!!

Chris

P.S. I have a 10D and an assortment of lenses! The 10D is the cats whiskers to me!!! Check out my pics to see!!!



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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Thanks so much for your advice, Chris! From the sound of it, the 10D would be a better choice... However, looking at the pricing again, I'm afraid the 10D itself would be pushing my budget, let alone the 10D with all sorts of necessary lenses. Am I correct in guessing that a 300D with whatever lenses I should get would be a better bet than a 10D without much more than one standard lens?

Again, thanks so much, and keep the advice coming!

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

The 300D with High Quality Lenses is a great combo. If you need the extra features, go for the 10D. Personally I have not wished I had the 10D, but, then again, I havent used the 10D. Check out my profile, click on my lenses and look at my photos. In the remarks, I have the lens I used to take the photo.





User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Wow, very nice photos Chad! I suppose getting the 300D with some good lenses would be the best idea for me. As a base, though, which would I buy between the "300D kit" and the "300D enthusiast kit." What exactly is the difference? I understand that the latter includes another lens, but is that lens good and what exactly is it used for? Sorry to be asking such stupid questions, but I'm quite a novice. Also, what exactly do the mm figures of lenses mean, and how does one 'interpret' them? What sorts of lenses should I look at getting? I'm in serious need of "Lenses 101"... Embarrassment

Again, thanks very much for the assistance. Keep it coming!

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4765 times:

All of my air to air stuff was taken with the 18-55mm EF-S. I think the lens is great! I would buy the combo with that lens ONLY. Then go for some HQ 'L' glass.

Chad


User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

I have the 300D, and like it very much. Spend the money on good lenses. The 10D is a very nice body, but if you are new to SLR photography, you may find the additional post processing intimidating. It is also pretty heavy if you are used to a small digital. I would reccomend spending some time in a camera store trying both on for size. Some people seem to get caught up in how "professional" the camera looks, but it's the pictures it takes that counts. The amount of 300D pictures on this site show that the camera is more than adaquate.

C


User currently offlineAndrewuber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Qantas-

I own a 300D and am extremely happy with it. I too was undecided on the 10D or the 300D, and decided to buy a 300D just to try it out. I fully intended to sell it (probably on E-Bay) after a month or two and buy a 10D. That was my plan from the beginning.

After shooting around 5,000 images with my 300D, the only way I'm getting rid of it now is if someone prys it out of my cold dead fingers! I love it! It does everything I need it to do and then some. I've had it for almost four months, and am still learning cool things about it. It's an amazing camera - especially for the money.

My advice to you - try the 300D. If you don't like it, you can usually get at least your investment back by selling it on E-Bay. For example - I wanted to get into DSLR photography, and bought a Kodak DCS-315 on E-Bay for $275. I tried it - it sucked (it was only 1.5 megapixels, and was extremely old), so I put it back on E-Bay. It wound up selling for $450!

Buy the 300D, and save that extra $500 for lenses. You can have a 300D AND the 75-300 IS USM (Image Stabilized!!!) for the price of a 10D kit!

Plus, my friends at the Canon store have told me that the 10D is about to be replaced by something new. Despite it's imminent "discontinued" status, they simply won't budge on that $1500 pricetag on the 10D. Even if they did, I'm keeping my 300D. When I want to spend another grand, I'll start looking for some L glass!  Big thumbs up

DREW

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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

I'm also a 300D shooter, with a relatively "cheap" lens ( payed around $200 only for a 70-300mm ) - but it still produces great results!

I think the 300D should be fine for you, I never missed any of the 10D features on my 300D.

Also, I would go for the body + Canon 18-55mm combo! The lens is amazing!

Canon EOS 300D + Tamron 70-300mm:

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regards, Florian



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User currently offlineMAS A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Have you ever considered a Nikon D70?

User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Or a D100 which has a metal body?


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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

@Maiznblu: thanks so much for all of your tips, and I'll definitely look into that 18-55mm lens! Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the one that comes with the body in the "300D kit", at least for Canon Australia, right?... Again, thanks so much!

@Wannabe: thanks so much for your tips, and I'll definitely make my way into a camera shop to check them out firsthand. And, funds permitting, of course  Laugh out loud, I'll try to get some good lenses as well! Again, this is where I ask, What lenses would you say would be good to have, about how much are they, and where can I get them? Thanks again!

@Andrewuber: thanks so much for the advice. The 300D is starting to seem like the camera to get... So as I said, y question to you now is regarding lenses; what sorts of lenses should I get for aviation photography, how many different ones are really necessary, and how much would all this cost? Again, I'm limited to about AU$3500-4000 (at the very, very most) - that is, US$2400-2750 - and would like very good lenses, but obviously ones that won't bankrupt me. The "300D kit" (the thing that comes with the body and 18-55mm lens) costs around AU$2000, so that leaves around AU$1500 (US$1000) - as I said, a bit more if necessary - for lenses. For that, what could/should I get? Again, I want something very good, and that I could grow into a bit. Thanks so, so much for your help!!

@INNflight: I know I keep saying this, but you too: thanks so much for your help! I suppose my questions above are addressed to you - to everyone, really - as well. So, any tips in terms of lenses?

@MAS_A330: I must admit that I have never heard of the D70...do you think it stands up to, or is better than, the 300D? If so, why?

Well I can't say it enough, thanks so much for all the assistance, everyone! More help of any sort is very welcome! Now, another question: is it worth getting a battery grip (i'm guessing it is) and if so, how much are they, about?

Aha, one more thing (sorry to be going on so long!): where do you recommend I buy it (and its lenses) when I do? Amazon.com seems to have some pretty good prices, but I'd rather buy from somewhere within Australia to avoid any outrageous shipping/duty charges...

Alright, I'll shut up. Again, thank you very much for the help!

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineB777 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

300D is a good choice for your budget...you can always spend the extra money saved over the 10D on quality lenses. The Nikon D70 does offer more features but the body alone cost $1000US.

User currently offlineHodges From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 138 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

If you get a Canon DSLR then you might want to consider buying a Sigma lens. All of my pictures are taken with the Sigma 70-200mm f2.8. I love the lens. I have a small budget so it was cheaper than going with the Canon f2.8 glass. I decided against the Canon 70-200 f4 because the lens is also used by my parents to take pictures of my baseball games which can require the f2.8 under really low light conditions. However, I know Chad gets some great results from his Canon 70-200 f4.

Basically, the Sigma gives great results for the money. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Erik



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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Thanks for that, Hodges! I'll definitely keep Sigma in mind, but first I kind of need to know what sorts of lenses I actually should have/want, before considering manufacturers. So, in that light, what types of lenses do you recommend, and how many are really necessary to cover a good range of shooting 'conditions,' if you like?

Keep the help coming, and thanks so much!

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineAndrewuber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Qantas-

I bought my 300D as a kit, so I got the 18-55 lens. It does a great job up close, and for aviation photography, it's perfect. You don't really need Image Stabilizing for up-close shots, as anything that close is usually parked. I've had quite a few great cockpit shots with the 18-55 lens too, it is very sharp, the colors are good, and it's easy to carry around.

My other lens is the 75-300 USM IS. I chose this lens so I could shoot aircraft on approach or departure, and the Image Stabilizing is perfect for that. I can zoom all the way out to 300mm, even at low light, and still get good results. The photos are sharp and clear. The 75-300 range gives you great flexibility on shooting an aircraft on approach - you can zoom in when they're on final, and usually zoom back and depending on your position, 75mm will fill the frame with the aircraft just about every time. I paid $499 for this lens, and it was worth every penny. My only complaint about the lens - the focus can be a bit slow, and if you're not careful, it will focus all the way out to infinity before you can stop it. I've missed a couple of nice shots because of this, but I've learned to keep it pointed at the horizon until there is enough aircraft in the frame to get a good focus.

You should really go see an IS lens for yourself, it's so cool to zoom all the way in and see the image bouncing around as your hands shake, press the shutter button halfway, and everything stops moving completely. It's awesome!

Also remember the 1.6 mutliplier for the Canon 300D!!! That means if you are shooting at 300mm, you're actually getting the equivelant of a 480mm lens!

Here's an example of my 18-55 lens (in 1600 resolution!):

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And... here's what that 75-300 IS USM is capable of. This shot was taken at a full 300mm, on a dark and overcast day. With Image Stabilization switched ON, you can slow the shutter down and get good exposures!

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I'd also reccommend the battery grip. I've used it since day one, and can't imagine life without it. I've never, EVER seen a low battery warning with my 300D, and I've gone on three day trips filling up two 256mb cards!

And for the love of God, stay away from NIKON!!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

DREW



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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

QantasA332 -

Before you decide on going Canon or Nikon or Minolta or whatever, do yourself a favour, go to a camera shop, and test the cameras out. You shouldnt only decide on a camera based on its technical features, but also which one YOU personally like - IE which feels better to you. Nobody can tell you this, only you yourself can decide. At your age of 13-15, the price of a DSLR is really a huge investment. I urge you to take into all factors into consideration, maybe draw up a rating table which you can decide on your choice of camera. Some factors you might want to take into account:

- Technical competence of the camera (Technical features)
- Variety / range of lens available
- Battery life (How many frames you can shoot on a full battery charge)
- Speed of camera (if speed is important to you)
- Price (of course)
- Warranty / Reliability / Repair costs(How many years warranty? Would the camera break down often? How much would the shutter change cost?)
- Customer service (How easy/difficult is it to get it repaired or upgraded)
- Build (How good does it feel in your hand and when you photograph)
- Ease of use (How easy is it to understand and use the camera)
- Resale value (if you are thinking of selling it in the future)
- Existing equipment (If you have an existing SLR lens or camera, you might be biased towards using the same brand)

All said, I strongly recommend prior to purchasing, to ask the dealer or rent the same model for a day or two, and really try it out. You dont want any regrets purchasing the wrong model - as with cars, the re-sale drops once you take it out of the store).

With this in mind, I do hope you find a good camera for yourself, and be satisfied with it, as with a lot of other photographers out there. I bought my DSLR after a 1 week trial use of it, and I never regretted it.

Cheers,
Tsentsan



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User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

With your budget i'd go for the 300D plus a 75-300IS.
The 300D is an excellent choice and with the 75-300 you will be able to get good results with practice and working within the limits of the lens.
Buying in oz?
If so i'd definietly buy from one of the EB dealers.You wll save a fortune compared to retail.
Have fun with the decisions.
Darren



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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Thanks for the continual help, everyone. I'll reply in more depth tommorrow, as it's off to bed for me at the moment...

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

@Andrewuber: Again, thanks so much for the help!! I think the 75-300 USM IS is on my must-get list...it looks great! As for the multiplier, there are two different ones on the Canon AU site, "Extender EF 2x II" and "Extender EF 1.4x II," and both are the same price. Which do you recommend? And how much (approx.) do battery grips cost? Also, do you have an exact product number for it? (I couldn't find it on the Canon AU site...) Very nice photos by the way!

@Tsentsan: thanks so much for the advice! I'll definitely get to a camera shop to try them all out. And very good points to keep in mind, I'll definitely keep them all in mind when trying the cameras out! Thanks again!

@Dehowie: yep, the 75-300 IS sounds like a good bet! Any other lenses or accesories that you think I might need? Oh and by EB, you mean Ebay, correct? Is it safe to get something like a camera from Ebay? Would it be in original packaging and everything? How about Amazon and their sub-shops...they seem to have good prices, but are they okay to buy from? Thanks so much for the help mate!

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlinePilothighflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

"I must admit that I have never heard of the D70...do you think it stands up to, or is better than, the 300D? If so, why?"

The Nikon D70 is the Nikon's budget D-SLR.
Its a 6.1 Megapixel camera and in my opinion is better than the 300D(Fire Away boys!!)
I have played with both Cameras and the D70 Felt better, but thats gonna be your call. (The D70's images looks better too, but the 300D boys won't admit it)
Theres a D70 Vs. 300D review
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond70/page20.asp
As Tsentsan said, go to a Large Camera store and play with the cameras, try stuff out, take pictures. You have to get a feel for what you like and what fits you.
Canon and Nikon and other D-SLRs will give you stellar results, its all up to what you like.

Robert


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

I feel you will be much happier with a Canon camera. The lenses are unsurpassed as far as quality goes. The glass will outlast the camera by many years.



User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Well, I'm kinda torn now. D70 or 300D? Overall, it seems like there is more resounding support for the latter, so I'm leaning towards that. However, as you guys recommended, I'll definitely try both out before making a final decision. Despite that, I have searched around for prices for the 300D. The following is how much it would cost all from Amazon - much less than I thought it would, actually...

-US$900: Canon 300D kit (comes w/18-55mm lens)
-US$430: Canon 75-300mm F/4.0-5.6 IS USM lens
-US$105: Canon battery grip for 300D
-US$45: extra battery pack
Total: US$1480 (AU$2,170)

So, does that sound about right? Is there somewhere where I could maybe get even cheaper prices on all that stuff? Am I forgetting something, like a battery charger (or does it come with one, or does the camera just have an AC-out to charge, or...?) or case? Any particular cases that you recommend? Do I really need that extra battery pack? I'm thinking that getting it from Amazon would be okay, because I could just have it sent to a friend in the US, and pick it up when I go over there to visit in September...

Thanks so much, and keep the help coming!  Big thumbs up

Cheers,
QantasA332

Edit: oh, I forgot the extender lens. Could you maybe give me an exact product number or name of the one I should get, because I had a hard time finding it online. And, should I get some sort of UV filter, or other lens that I didn't mention? Thanks again...

[Edited 2004-05-18 02:55:05]

25 Hodges : QantasA332, The Canon extender range from about 280 USD for both the 1.4x and 2x extenders at BH Photo. I'm not sure how much that is in Australia tho
26 Tsentsan : Qantas A332- If you're going to buy from the US, recommend you get from B&H, and if you're only going to the US around September, why dont you just wa
27 QantasA332 : @Hodges: okay, I'll check those extenders out. They basically just multiply the zoom by whatever factor, right? Would you say I should definitely get
28 INNflight : I would go to a local store and try both cameras out before you buy!!! Try both, the Nikon D70 and the Canon 300D - then you will know which one you l
29 Tsentsan : Something else to look out for. For digital cameras (at least for Nikon ones), there isnt any international warranty. Not sure about Canon, but think
30 Hodges : Qantas, With whatever lens you buy you might want to try the lens out first before you buy an extender. Then decide whether you need an extender or no
31 QantasA332 : Allright everyone, thanks so much for the advice and help. I think what I have to do is just get myself to a camera store to try stuff out, and speak
32 QantasA332 : Sorry to bump this back up, but two more things: 1). I think I asked this before, but do you guys think a UV or clear filter of some kind is necessary
33 Benyhone : UV/skylight filter is a necessity. Use it to protect your lens. I go as cheaply as possible, if it scratches or breaks, I just buy a new one. Terry/PH
34 QantasA332 : Okay, thanks.....but with a cheaper filter, wouldn't I run into the same problem I had, with it actually detracting from the quality and adding grain,
35 Staffan : Hoya HMC and B+W are good filters. Staffan
36 Maiznblu_757 : Tiffen offers excellent filters at a decent price.
37 QantasA332 : Okay, I checked those filters out at B & H but still don't know which I should get (sorry, this is probably getting annoying for you guys). If I'm not
38 Staffan : I use normal UV's and skylight 1A, they are pretty much clear, the 1a will give the image a little warmer look (hardly noticable) and the UV reduces b
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