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I Walked Away With A Laugh  
User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1660 posts, RR: 66
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6058 times:
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Photo © Sam Chui



This shot of mine have received almost 400 emails....

While 90% of the email are highly encouraging, a few of them are doubting the shot is real.

Here are a few links to some forum my shot was discussed at.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=8800372

One in Thai which I don't understand

http://www.thaiflight.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=39127#39127

and even one in Russian I lost the links.

I just want to say that, perhaps it is unfair to make a simple (and wrong)assumption or an very objective judgement regarding any photo without first consult the photographer.
Sometimes things happened beyond other's knowledge and one's imagination. Lot of things I see and know but the other's don't and vice versa.

Most emails accusing my photo being fake, also came with an unreturnable email address, so I wonder had they made up their mind 100% my photo's fake without hearing my stories? Why the email addresses were fake when people do this, sense of fear or guilt?

Finally, regard to that specific picture, why would one think its illegal or without permission flying over the aerospace, and if we don't get permission, I think we may get a close visit of the air force around the Cessna, and that will really be some real adventure and story making!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Perhaps sometimes there are many photos that are too good to tell they are real or fake but please email the photographer about your doubts before making a self judgement and post in a public forum, that you may prepare to humiliate yourself if you're wrong. For those fake emails I received, I simply just ignore them and had a few laugh with my mates.

Sam

P.S. I also have to admit people are over estimating my photoshop skills, I am quite a dummy on computer so I doubt I can make one like that in PS.




[Edited 2004-06-07 09:04:04]

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User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1057 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Hi Sam
Only a true photographer could even think of this angle and it is a ripper indeed and one of the most imaginative shots i have ever see.
Hopefully you have a few more we havn't seen up your sleve.
A truly great photo.
All the best
Darren Howie



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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

I am one of your big fans of your photo shots. Why care about those that jealous of your beautiful shots?  Smile Keep them going . I love your work.


Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Man people are stupid, I want to create an account to have a little fun  Acting devilish . Remember they are camera buffs, not aviation.

I still get emails (some bad) about my SXM shots, it gets old. I had a website called museumofhoaxes.com use one.....oooh the stupidity that flowed there.  Big grin People telling me it was fake, the landing gear was only half way down. People would be deaf from being on that beach.....etc etc. I guess it's best to ignore them!

Justin

[Edited 2004-06-07 11:37:06]

User currently offlineAndersNilsson From Sweden, joined May 2004, 416 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

So much in this poor old world is a fake some people with problems in
trusting others jump at the conclusion great photos are manipulated fakes.
I'm more than happy to argument with them when I see their accusations
against a real photo.

Anders



Airliner photography is not a crime.
User currently offlineFL350 From Belgium, joined Feb 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Hello Sam,
As I told you in one of the 400 e-mails you got, I've flown that corridor with my uncle a couple of times in the past years.
I know this photo opportunity is real and there are so many other possibilities, like you I think air to air is the ultimate rush in aviation photography.

If I made to LA this summer I know I'll be flying that airway again but now I'll be in the Cessna with my 10D and the 100-400.
By showing us your work, and also the one from Derek Hellman and recently Brian Barlett at SNA new doors are being pushed.

Off course people from outside of the aviation photography, will always be the first to criticise the work of others, just because they cannot figure out how to achieve such a nice shot themselves.

Keep up the good work... and let the others loose their time in non constructive public criticism.

Fabrice



Fabrice Sanchez - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineLyzzard From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 404 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Sam,

Getting a little taste of your own medicine, and it's bitter isn't it?

Bottom line, I said it then and I say it now, if you've got nothing nice to say about someone else's shot, don't say it. Your critics should be mindful of that simple etiquette as you should have been when you openly criticised a particular shot of mine in a public forum.

*Peace*


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1660 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5786 times:
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Hi Terence,

Critics is always welcome for me, I have no problem receiving them and they are the driving force to improve, but to accuse a shot to be fake without any solid prove is a total different matter to me. I am quite comfortable with those emails I got, and I didn't get them just now, it was all weeks ago but I just thought to put up here today for some laugh, from a simple photo, making a lot of unnecessary noises, even charts and diagrams in foreign languages.

I think we all have the right to our opinions, what I said on your photograph is my rights, but accusing some photo to be fake with no grounds of prove is totally different.

Sam


User currently offlineAdministrator From Sweden, joined May 1999, 3251 posts.
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5781 times:
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Sam, it's a great photo and you have included information in the remark field on how it's shot. That is of high importance. I see other photos in the database that are bound to have people asking "how the heck did he shoot that" but without any info in the remark field. That will generate a lot of questions and doubts among viewers.

So guys, when you upload a rare shot like this one, always include as much information as possible about how you were able to shoot it.

Thanks,
Johan



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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Well, I think Johan said enough. Great shot Sam!

regards, Florian



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineFireguy274 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5688 times:

Sam I don't know you but I got pissed when I read that forum on DPREVIEW. It is aggravating when you read someone passing judgment on something they do not have a clue about. I am sorry to read such garbage. I think there is some jealousy involved. Your picture is awesome as most of your photos are.....Stay Safe ....Artie

User currently offlineBIGDEN From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5675 times:

SAM!
This is one creative shot and reassures me my choice of a D-100 was the right one here in CANON world.
Thank you for your answers to some of my processing questions and help with my photography.
Stay creative and keep providing this site with more examples of your brilliance. Hope to have some pics accepted soon.
BIGDEN



Never met a 747 I didn't like!
User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

Sam - that was a great laugh.

I can't blame people unfamiliar with seeing these sorts of images of feeling skeptical initially or having doubts, but whats really ironic is it seems that the more some of those folks know about aviation/aircraft, cameras/photography, and photoshop etc, the further away they are from the truth.

What a great shot. Keep setting the standards....

Tom


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

As a registered forum member at dpreview.com I've added a nice comment, defending Sam's great work.

As long as people are willingly to be convinced a photo is real, I don't really mind but it's always better to contact the photographer first.

I just get annoyed of diehard scepticists who think everything new is fake. It's like one of the comments I read on the dpreview thread: 'every great photo is fake untill prover'. That's something I just don't get. Why can't those people just enjoy great photo's. It's good to have doubts, but a plain 'fake because it's a great photo' is way too far for me...

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineCO777 From South Africa, joined Apr 2000, 261 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5291 times:
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Hi Sam, I love your LAX shots from the airplane.I always enjoy it.I also have the Nikon D100 and its a Great Camara.
Jason Whitebird


User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

It looks very good and to my untrained eye is looks real


South Australian Spotter
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Sam,
"Your critics should be mindful of that simple etiquette as you should have been when you openly criticised a particular shot of mine in a public forum."

Not to shoot you down or anything but add the above with "what I said on your photograph is my right" means that you lack consideration of people as humans. Money talks, but remember, you're not the only photographer out there.

For your info... people got into trouble for your "modus operandi" in some places. I've received phone calls about your activities down here a few days ago... Some from airport authorities, some from staff, and some from fellow enthusiasts.

Some airport staff in SUB and DPS have asked me some unpleasant questions as part of an aftermath of your trip. Plus, I do not appreciate your comments on some of the photographers' work down here (which you said to me personally and isn't suitable to write here) while you write to them saying that their work is great in an email so you can get information out of them. That person wrote to me immediately after receiving your email...

Sure, your photography is great, but please, have a look at yourself beyond photography! Your trip here last year did not leave a good impression on local spotters and journalists on "foreign planespotters"...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

Some airport staff in SUB and DPS have asked me some unpleasant questions as part of an aftermath of your trip. Plus, I do not appreciate your comments on some of the photographers' work down here (which you said to me personally and isn't suitable to write here) while you write to them saying that their work is great in an email so you can get information out of them.

Whoops... Somebody got busted...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Anyway, that pic is a fake.  Nuts

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

The Thai one is especially funny. Since you can't understnad it, you cna only imagine wht was being said by the guy who went so far out of his way as to DRAW DIAGRAMS!!! Funny, how his diragrams only proved himself WRONG. lol

I mean, if you're going ot present ecidence about a picture being fake, at least make it point in the same direction that your argument goes in as well.

And I can attest to Sam's poor Photoshop skills.  Big grin haha

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1660 posts, RR: 66
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5153 times:
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Gerry

I really don't understand and I don't want to drag into a dog fight here.

You said I recently visited SUB and DPS, the officer complainted and people were upset and phone call....etc but I didn't visit DPS at all, only SUB, and I have to paid the airport the right fee for photography, answer their questions, being nice and co-operative to all the officers, and have to present them copies of my photos as they demanded. What else I do to upset the staff, authorities and enthuasists, I didn't even see one enthusaists around so how can I possibly upset someone??? I will call back to Surabaya airport tomorrow to check because I would like to maintain a good relationship with the airport. Are you making all this up? Perhaps I know the reasons.

Furthermore, I have only sent 1 email to an Indonesian photographer, being diplomatic, I praise on one of his photo, it was really quite nice. I asked him a general question about a new airline in Indonesia and their ops/schedules, so what's wrong here?? Being nice to ask a question is not acceptable? If you call that I use people then I think this is very wrong.

I know I am not an easy person to deal with because I don't want to settle with only the second best and I write strong words at times, but I do the right thing at right time and to upset people is not on my wish at any time. I have been always think highly of you because of your great help of me last year, and that is the truth of what I feel about you.

Sam


User currently offlineUnited4everDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5116 times:

Sam, just curious, wassup with you being in LAX one day, Iran the next, and then to China in a couple of days? Do you go on business, or do you just have alot of money.

Ryan


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1660 posts, RR: 66
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5103 times:
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I am not surprised when the chances come, the critics, the one who don't like me, the person who like to stir shits and the one have been jealoused all take a bite on me. There are always story from both side to tell and I can only take a laugh when someone accuses me all this...I know myself haven't done anything wrong to the others. Sorry at times my honesty can be quite insulting. I appologize for being inconsiderate at times. (which many of us all do). I do have my attitudes on things.
Sam


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

Apologies... maybe I should rephrase...

"Some airport staff in SUB and DPS have asked me some unpleasant questions as part of an aftermath of your tripS" (added an S there)... This time is only SUB? Hell, I don't know where you went. However, someone in the ground handling in DPS and SUB saw some of your pics online, they weren't happy... However, that's not to say that it's not allowed...

I know that here, you go through the proper channels for the access, and I've never said that you've done otherwise.

Perhaps one of the reason is that the airport authorities prefer dealing with foreigners... One journalist down here is screaming discrimination. Had quite a time calming him down! He shoved all the credentials required and the money, but still didn't get to what you got. He has since quit... so that part is gone at least. I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong or right. A number are frustrated. I'm not blaming you or the airport or them for the frustration.

The focus on what I wrote was the last 2 paragraphs in my first reply.

You're work is good, and yes, you never settle for second best, which at times can and does upset people. I know that's how you are. However, as I said, last year the impression wasn't very good. It's your right to ignore it, or act upon it.

Some others, well, they may dislike you, it's their right...

I think some of us here are just requesting for you to be a bit more polite (if it's the right word) on some of your comments... especially about other people's work.

Insignificant as it may sound, I still defend your work (especially those LAX shots from the VFR corridor)... however, when someone posted what you wrote... with some knowing on your opinions of his work... and then they ask me... "Are all foreign planespotters like him?" How the hell should I answer?

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineScooter From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

I'm going to stay away from most of this discussion (because I've never met Sam in person), but I do want to say one thing:

When the hell has Sam ever "bragged" about having money and traveling the world? I've been on this forum for about 5 years, and the only time I've seen Sam mention anything about it here is when he is directly asked.

So he has money. Good for him. People ask, and he's honest about it. What's the big deal?




[Edited 2004-06-10 20:12:24]

User currently offlineRoastedNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

When the hell has Sam ever "bragged" about having money and traveling the world? I've been on this forum for about 5 years, and the only time I've seen Sam mention anything about it here is when he is directly asked.

Just read the profile:

Username: N178UA
Real Name: Sam Chui
E-mail: Contact
Gender: Male
Age: 21-25
Country: Australia
Location: Sydney
Occupation: Currently Worldwide Travelling, part time contract job with a worldwide bignews magazine. Do not like to work in an office 9-5 Mon-Fri job, wants more freedom and space. i.e. No REAL JOB!
Hobbies: Civilian Aviation Photography and spotting, Video shooting, Statistics, Travel and experience all the cultures, Flying as a professional pax!

Favourite airline: United Airlines and Thai Airways.

Favourite aircraft onboard: MD-11 and B747

Favourite Destination for spotting: Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Tokyo Narita, Bangkok, Beijing and Rio de Janeiro(Santos Dumont)


Homepage: http://www.SamChuiPhotos.com
Other info: My Gear: Nikon D100 and Nikon F5, Nikkor AF-ED 80-200 f2.8, Nikkor VR-AF 80-400, Nikon 18-35 f3.5-4.5, Tokina 28-80 f2.8, Fujichrome Velvia 50/100 and Provia 100F, Kodachrome64.





Major airport visited/photographed:

Asia Pacific:
Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth, Canberra, Cairns, Auckland, Denpasar(Bali), Jakarta, Singapore, Bangkok, Phuket, Hong Kong, Beijing, Urumqi, Tokyo(Haneda), Tokyo(Narita), Osaka(Itami), Osaka(Kansai), Taipei(CKS), Taipei(TSA), Surabaya, Jakarta Halim(HLP)

Americas:
Los Angeles(LAX), San Francisco, Mojave, Victorville, Las Vegas, Kingman, Goodyear, Chandler, Marana, Phoenix, Tucson, Salt Lake City, Denver, Dallas Ft Worth, New York(JFK), New York(LGA), Newark, Washington(IAD), Washington(DCA), Chicago(ORD), Atlanta, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Opa Locka, Orlando(SFB), Maxton NC, Dayton OH, Reading PA, Louisville KY, Seattle, Moses Lake, Anchorage AK, Vancouver BC, Mexico City, Santiago de Chile, Punta Arenas, Buenos Aires(AEP), Buenos Aires(EZE), Iguassu Falls, Sao Paulo(GRU), Sao Paulo(CGH), Rio de Janerio(SDU), Rio de Janerio(GIG), Lima, Cuzco

Europe/Africa:
London(LHR), London (LGW), Luton, Stansted, Manchester, Paris(CDG), Paris(ORY), Nantes, Toulouse, Frankfurt, Barcelona, Madrid, Palma de Mallorca, Lanzarote, Tenerife, Amsterdam, Athens Hellinikon, Johannesburg, Durban



25 Roastednutz : Flying as a professional pax! You get paid to fly???? Where do I sign up for that gig?
26 Post contains images Clickhappy : Hmmm. I feel the need to weigh in I've hung out with Sam on numerous occasions, he has been a guest in my house on two trips, and I dont think I can f
27 Bigphilnyc : N754PR, I have yet to meet Sam Chui. I expect to meet him in LA next month at the convention there. so, I cna't back him up or agree with anythign neg
28 N178UA : Mandala499 I am aware the problem of local airport authorities unequal treatment to Indonesians and foreigners, it is quite unfair and sad really. But
29 Timdegroot : Sheeesh what a load of crap is being spilled onto this forum. I'll gladly see this thread locked now, this is just getting nasty. For now let me step
30 Mandala499 : Now now... I know Sam, and I know his use of words can easily be mistaken for something negative about his character. That's where we differ, but when
31 Post contains images Clickhappy : some people need to have thicker skin Here is a true story. Last July Sam and I drove up to YVR and were hanging out with Rich, Rob, and Alan Ling. Af
32 Post contains images ExitRow : Huh? I'm girlie now? I think these fights are funny. Keep 'em coming. Very entertaining to read. You want to talk about competition? Get into a press
33 Clickhappy : sure as long as I dont have to get my knees dirty this time. How's the gay asian porn business treating you? Still paying the bills?
34 ExitRow : How's the gay asian porn business treating you? Still paying the bills? I'm sorry... are you asking me or Sam?
35 Lgbguy : Sam, you trouble maker, you are living up to your title from last year "infamous" Hehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See you next month at
36 Post contains images Brian_ga : Sam, I really enjoyed your photo of the 747 on departure! I would love to be able and get a shot like that just once. I looked at the response that wa
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