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User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1727 times:

I have had a photo rejected for badmotiv.



Could anyone give me any pointers as to how I can make this acceptable to those who screen? I had my upload rate above 50% for last week, but for my latest batch I seem to have unlearnt everything! Rats

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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1690 times:

I think that incuding the whole engine on the bottom could help.

Daniel

[Edited 2004-06-14 18:28:47]

User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1683 times:

I would include the titles in the picture... not having them doesnt help... if you havnt got the titles to add into the picture then just drop the picture it needs those titles...


Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

It looks awkward. You cut off the lower portion of the engine, and the logo. Hopefully that is a backlit photo, and that white band around the lower part of the fuselage and nose is not a halo..

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1670 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

I dont know, I like it. A lot better than most of the landing shots you see from LHR

User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Unfortunately, that is as much of the a/c in the frame. I was doing some experimenting shooting into the sun and a towards a large black cloud to get the backlit effect. I thought it would have been rejected for bad exposure of something or baddark rather than motive. as I looked on the database to see if similar shots were accepted or not.


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So. the only alternative is to crop out the engines and wings and just get the nose? I'd appreciate any guidance as to what is acceptable from screeners as I am spending more time taking shots like this rather than typical side landing views - which seem to be easy to capture and many examples of. On Sunday, I spent most of my time trying to find new angles. First I also need to get a grip of the quality aspect of processing. It seems to be a bit hit or miss for me at the moment.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

The cropping all depends on what you are shooting, For me, on landing shots you need to get the titles in the frame...

If you notice with those shots that you provided, they are center frame. You picture looks as though it hasnt been set up properly and you just caught it in the bottom left of the frame...

I would add this to the personal collection for now m8.




Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1581 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

they are center frame

Why do most of the photogs on this board insist that a picture be centered?

Boring....give the guy credit for trying something different, not only with the frame weight but with the lighting.


User currently offlineBenyhone From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 206 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

I like the photo, good use of light. I would have liked to see the photo of the entire plane, though, if you shot one. You mention that you tried out "new angles". I don't see how that's a new angle, in fact, that nose-only stuff is so overdone I don't find it interesting. You cut off the titles (very important to me) and worse, half the plane!

While I agree that trying to find "new angles" is interesting to do, I try to do it in a way that includes the entire airplane. I find it difficult to compose a beautiful airplane photo, capturing the art of flying, with a piece of the plane cut out of the photo.

Terry/PHX
Cactus Wings



Cactus Wings Photography, Phoenix
User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

When I say "new angles", I meant "new angles" for me. When you are shooting from the ground at aircraft on short final, there is only so much you can do other than take the standard side shot. So, I have been trying other things. I was looking through the photos I have on the site and they are just all the same, side on views from Myrtle Avenue (along with 30 others taking exactly the same shot). However, everyone has their own tastes and preferences - which is a good thing otherwise the world would be a boring place.

Anyway, I have more or less abandoned taking side on standard shots and now I am attempting to fill as much of the frame as possible with aircraft, at the cost of wings, all of the body etc. My most popular shot, hits wise (apart from an aerial photo of MAD that was uploaded yesterday and has managed 1200 hits in a day), is the first one that I submitted that got accepted that was not a standard side shot - but the light was excellent and the frame stood out from the 200 shots I took that day - and looks far better than a full shot of the aircraft, leaving out no wings and has lots of sky.


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Now I am not saying there is anything wrong with this "standard side view whole aircraft in view", but for my taste it has no impact! Guess which of the above photos is mine!  Wink/being sarcastic

I have been taking photos for years, but not of aircraft and not on digital SLRs, I have been doing these since the end of April. It's a steep learning curve to get used to the processing (and I am still not being consistent and my self screening isn't up to the standards needed) - but ultimately it is a lot more satisfying than film as you have more power to control the final output. I guess my aim is to get good shots rather than catalogue side views of everything that lands at LHR! I also love backlit subjects, but it is very difficult to get good results! When they are backlit against a dark rain cloud I think the results can be tremendous.

Anyway, thanks for the comments, everything is constructive. I am just a little disappointed that none of the "Crew" have given their interpretation. I thought that's what this forum was for?

A.

[Edited 2004-06-16 00:04:12]

User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

Thanks chaps. I got the edited photo on the database. I'm as pleased as punch with it. Also, just bought Neat Image. I can't believe the difference it makes to the photos.


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User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Why do most of the photogs on this board insist that a picture be centered?

Good question - one I've been banging my head against for ages. Basically, its one of Johan's rules ... the aircraft should be centered in the frame.

Sometimes you get away with one off-center, other times not. You may not agree with the rule, but if you ignore it you have to accept you will get more rejections.

On the whole, I can see why the rule is needed. I'd guess the majority of would-be uploaders to this site are spotters who happen to have a camera, not necessarily people who care or know much about photography or image composition.

The bad-centered rule effectively guards against the dozens of truly awful shots that used to be uploaded daily (aircraft with noses disappearing out of the frame and other such rubbish) - it always surprises me just how bad some people can be with a camera. Unfortunately, this rule can also catch out those with a well thought out, but differently composed shot - some screeners will inevitably interperate the rules more literally than others.

I hate that rule - I would never upload any shot that had not been composed with some thought - and find the inference that I would do otherwise almost offensive - however, if the alternative is to start allowing truly badly composed shots, so be it  Smile

Cheers,

Colin





Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

I agree with colin! I can understand the rule but when you have always learnt the rule of thirds it does become a bugger to try and start shooting differently! I think some leniency should be applied to well composed shots that are not fully centered!

Also i think some extra allowance of creativeness/artisticness should be allowed!

Chris



5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

In fairness, I think the screeners do, on the whole, use their discretion in applying this rule - we tend to notice those that get rejected more than the many that do "slip through". Nonetheless, when one of your favorite shots does get caught out, it is damned annoying!

Chris - I see nothing wrong with shooting to suit the A.net "house style" - after all, this is what most pros have to do day in day out ... the client is always right (or at least be allowed to think he is  Smile) - just make sure its not the ONLY type of shooting you do.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5576 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1411 times:
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Colin

You commented:

The bad-centered rule effectively guards against the dozens of truly awful shots that used to be uploaded daily (aircraft with noses disappearing out of the frame and other such rubbish)

These type of shots are still being uploaded  Sad

Cheers

Gary


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1395 times:

These type of shots are still being uploaded

Well I guess I'm not too surprised ... some people just have an natural inability to use a camera!

Tried an experiment this weekend - my 11 year old daughter came with me to the Kemble air show - I was mostly using the MkII with a 300 and x2 on it, so I let her use the D60 with a 70-200mm & 1.4x. I set the camera on TV at 1/320th, AI Servo. Showed her how to half-press and fully press the shutter, explained panning then let her get on with it.

On the whole she did really well - some shots were blurry (well, its a fair weight for young arms to hold steady, even with IS), and quite a few were "bad distance" (standard beginner's mistake). But other shots were damn good! Now of course I believe her to be the brightest young lady in the world, but disregarding that, it does show that taking a decent pic is just not that difficult!

On the down side, on the way home I was a little concerned with the number of times she referred to "her" camera  Smile

Cheers,

Colin




Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineEGBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1399 times:

Colin,

I am very glad to hear your happy to share your equipment because I just can't wait until Farnbough when your MkII will be 'my' camera for the week along with this new posh lens you told me about  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Derek


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