Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1572 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
This topic has been discussed many times in the past few months. A search though the forum will yield the information you are looking for. If you too lazy for a search then Art's site is also good for information:
Airliner777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 493 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3915 times:
My recommendation is that you don't go to the railroad tracks anymore. Cops are always passing by that area, and they always kick you out. You can take NW 72 AVE and when you get to NW 25 ST head East towards the airport. Before the end of the road, you'll see a curve. That's a great place for spotting!
Mia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
In my opinion, the railroad tracks location is the best for spotting. You can shoot many different angles and it affords a bit more variety. I have only been kicked out twice from that area (cops do not usually kick you out) because an LY flight was arriving and I was in a spot I shouldn't have been in and another time because AF1 was coming in. If I could choose one place to shoot from, its the tracks. Also, that is where most all cargo arrives/departs and I thnk the cargo is the biggest attraction at MIA.
PHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1215 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3786 times:
On Saturday I went to FLL at sunrise. You may know already, but pretty much since Friday night the 27's have been in use (today is the first full day they are on the 9's. So I went to the end of 27R at the access road next to the FEC tracks. Keep in mind there are no signs there that say "No Stopping, No Standing Anytime". I got a shot of a Song 752. Then I hear a Cactus of final and what do you know hear comes a Broward County Sheriffs Department officer with his little buzzer. When he was driving up, I will add I was at the gate. Which you have to be 6 ft from the gate. A friend of mine Mark (Big Orange) was down here last year and he was at the gate. The cops didn't say anything, but an airport employee said something (I think he ment Broward County Parks and Rec) Which is who patrols inside the perimeter. When he got back home from FLL, he wrote a letter to the DOA. He got a letter back saying as long as you are not vandalising the gate or climbing over (Trespassing) then they don't have a problem with it. But you have these Power happy, Aviation uninformed officers (that work at airport and still have no clue about Enthusiast) that make up their on rules ever since the patriot act came into effect. I will admit that I was a bit of a smart ass, pointing out there were no signs. He knew I was, you wanna know the first thing he said when he pulled up without me saying a thing "Son, do you know your violating a federal law" He keep threating me with Federal Prison. What I don't understand is these officers can't use common sense to tell the difference between a threatining individual (Terrorist) and a 16 year old Aviation Photographer. He said we were in high alert, what do they think we're dumb. We have been in yellow (elevated) since December. He also said you can't stand at the end of a runway and take pictures. The one cop that said I can't be at the gate over by 9L. He didn't say I can't take photo's. So the officer with the incident by 27R said I can go over to the other end where the viewing area is. I wanted to ask him "Do you know what this runway is numbered". "They are using 27R, not 9L!". The 9L area is no good when of course the 27's are in use. By the time the aircraft get to you by 9L, they are already up to 1000 - 1.5 So we went to the top of the garage. I don't think I will have a hard time at MIA tomorrow. I should be getting there around 11am and if anyone is there look for a little Brown/ Primer Roadster over by 9. I'm going to write the DOA to get some litature to show the officers at FLL that I'am not doing anything wrong.
DB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 47 Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
Now it's beginning to make sense, haha.
Broward Parks & Rec don't patrol inside the fence that I know of, it's always BCAD, owner/operator of the airport.
I've never heard of spotters/photogs using the area you described so I'm not shocked to hear that you were run off, even though there probably isn't an ordinance prohibiting your presence there. I'm not surprised at the deputy quoting the federal law/prison stuff either. It's a convenient way to fake out people by blaming a different level of government.
You mentioned in your post above that you've been getting hassled by the BSO "like everyday at FLL", which means several times prior to your lengthy description of what happened today. What happened those other times? Where were you, what happened, etc.?
And tell us how your excursion to MIA goes tomorrow.
Photographing aircraft since the Earth was flat and on Airliners.net since #338
PHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1215 posts, RR: 21 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
The other time was real simple. A BCAD (thanks for the update) truck pulled into the 9L area where I was located. He pulled up down at the far end of the lot and parked. I figured he would either say something to me about being near the gate. But I still went up and got the shots I could of some stuff taxiing to 9L. Well a little later a BSO pulls up down there next to some other car, he came from the opposite way and not from the street entrance. Again I went up to the gate to get some shots of a B6 and NW. I was there at the gate shooting for a bit. I thought maybe he didn't see me. Even though he was at the car that he pulled up to, I think it was someone I know. Then I hear a "HEY" and I'm thinking what we all think "I know exactly what he's gonna say". My Grandmother comes over from where our car was, so he can't talk to me like I'm a piece of shit. He just says you can't be up against the gate. Honestly, shouln't there be signs that say keep "6 feet from gate". If this rule does hold true. Then he just says they have problems with people that can take pictures of the flight paths and stuff. O I can take shots of something that's invisible. We can just look at a SID or STAR can't we,lol. My grandma kept saying how I was gonna be an Airline Transport Pilot, I don't know why. And of course the JM A320 that I had just heard on Clearance Delivery comes taxiing by as he's beatin' my ear and talking out his ass. But once again a BSO failed to recognize the difference between a threatining individual and a 16 year old. We we're sitting at the car and he starts walking over, I'm thinking "what now". He said I can take photos 6 feet from the gate. I guess he made a call to the station or asked one of the 6 officers there. Yea, 6 feet will do great with a 12 foot gate in the way. I know that will be a worthy a.net upload. By the time we left there had to be 6 crusiers there. I have come to the conclusion that BCAD will not say things to people about being near the gate or whatever. Instead they get BSO all worked up that something is going down and call em' over. Just to see a 16 year old. I think BCAD calls the sheriffs Dept. because of maybe an incident involving someone cursing at them and not obeying since they have no authority.Now to MIA today, It was awesome. I was over by 9 for a little bit at NW 12th and NW 72 Ave. Near eldorado, a cop saw a few others and myself and didn't say anything. I saw a Mexicana A320 and a Gemini DC-10. We then followed Adel's directions to NW 25th off NW 72 Ave. And of course low and behold the "holes". Very cool spot, It's good for Taxi Profile shots but not to great for Touchdown/ Rotation shots. I saw ALOT of AA as expected. Waited for LH 462 and KLM 627. Got shots of both of them, I had remembered that right behind KLM normally follows an AZ and IB. AZ and IB landed on 9, which I was a bit mad about. A Martinair 76' also landed on 9 earlier. I got of course a few AA taxi shots, Taca, Air Canada, JM, Avianca, BWIA (Awesome), UA, CO, US (I can see them at PHL all i want), I swear I saw more Oh and a LAN Chile 76 N/C. I'm heading back tomorrow (Friday). I think I'm gonna stay at 9 tomorrow. So I can catch maybe what I missed today. BTW, I saw the MY Travel A330 touchdown on 9 as we were driving parallel on Perimeter Rd. I wanted to get a shot of him bad, since he's a weekly. Atleast we wern't over by 8L, 8R and 12. I wouldn't have seen him at all. We we're driving home pass the 26's and a Virgin was pulling off 8R (looked like a A343 from a distance, but I thought it operated as a A346?). We we're driving some more and a 744 departure was right over us. Since he was exaclty over us and I coulnd't see a livery, thinging of the time and that the belly was white I think it was LH 463. I plan on staying a lot longer tomorrow.
DB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 47 Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
Okay, thanks for the explanation on the other time you were hassled at FLL. I was thinking from your previous post that you were hassled every day you've been here or numerous times.
I don't know why BSO has a problem about people being up next to the fenceline when it's no problem at so many other airports. You're not supposed to have a vehicle or ladder within six feet of a fenceline but a human up against the tall fence with a camera is hardly a threat to airfield security, especially when a deputy in a squad car is sitting in close proximity watching.
It's almost as if they dream stuff up to make themselves look like they're doing something useful in the so-called war on terrorism. If I were a cop, I just can't imagine driving home at night feeling any sense of achievement for running a 16-yr old photog, or anyone else for that matter, off from the fenceline but I suppose some of these guys really feel great satisfaction over their power to order people around for no reason at all. And I have no doubt that some of them really feel like they protected the flying public by doing what they did to you when all they've done is waste taxpayer dollars paying their salaries and create ill will towards them, their particular agency and law enforcement in general for unnecessarily hassling people. In reality, all of their diligence and efforts expended against photogs at the fenceline could be better utilized against real threats to aviation security in other areas but the law enforcement brass will never figure that out.
FYI, the anti-people at the fenceline policy at FLL was imposed after 9/11 and the removal of the photog holes that used to exist. Most photogs take ladders and shoot over the fence from the crown of the road closest to the fence, and in the event there are no BSO deputies around, they run up to the fenceline with their ladder, take their shots, and move the ladder back to the road before they get caught. Standing at the fenceline continuously like you did is an invite for a hassle at FLL.
I'm glad your experience at MIA was more enjoyable. The difference in government and law enforcement agency at the airport makes all the difference in the world, doesn't it?
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