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Luck, Opportunity, Or Skill?  
User currently offlineUnited4everDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

I was curious as to how everyone gets their big hitter shots. Photographers either have;

-Luck, where your only shots on airliners.net are big hitters. This applies to people who have 1, 2, maybe even 3 shots with a few thousand hits or to people who get lucky shooting something like a 747 showing up at their airport wearing a new scheme, unexpectedly.

-Opportunity, where you have had the once in a lifetime shot, but you knew the plane was going to be there. You planned to take the shot in a specific way. This applies to you if you travel alot and get great air to air shots because you travel so frequently, thus opportunity.

-Skill, where you can take any plane, even a BA 320 at LHR, and turn it into something special using your photographic skills.


My pictures that are big hitters are luck. I don't fly enough to be in the opportunity category, but when I do, I seem to pull off great window shots of airport overviews.

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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Planning.

You left out one of the most important things.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Planning.

My experience with planning in the air to air arena is all based on what the recieving crews are going to give you. For example,you can plan plan plan and plan, but it actually happening is another story. We had a 4 ship of 117's that were supposed to meet up with us but, they had some timing issues and wanted us to go around their schedule which just wasnt possible at the time because our tanker was to land back at RIV and take off 15 minutes later to refuel a KC10 in NORCAL. So the planner did an excellent job and scrambled to get us a 2 ship of 117's and to everyones surprise, the crews were very willing to stick around for some formation photos after they filled up.

The F-4's were all about the photos from the getgo. Before we went up, we knew what we were going to get with them.

I just hope on the next flight, the crews are as flexible as these guys were.


User currently offlineUnited4everDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

I kinda figured planning went into the opportunity area, as I said "but you knew the plane was going to be there" Keyword, knew. But then again, planning could be another category, so anyone can go ahead and use it.

User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

It's a combination of all, I think.
Luck + opportunity + planning =

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Then you have to mention an important one :
plugging
That's how a nice shot becomes a big-hitter Big grin

Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

That's how a nice shot becomes a big-hitter.

I guess you are right because if it wasnt plugged, I wouldnt have seen the small version.  Big grin DOH!


User currently offlineInterpaul From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

A poor photographer like me running around with a camera and taking a picture of a weird, freshly painted, pink aircraft which just rolled out of the hangar. Luck I guess.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineKC7MMI From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Luck + Opportunity + The Little Skill I Have = My Favorite Shots

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 2533 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

there is no such thing as luck.

All luck is is opportunity + prepardness.


User currently offlineJetAv8r From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 2510 times:


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A little luck and opportunity in that shot. It may even make the shot of the day if it keep going at the rate it's going at. Smile I didn't think my cheap little camera (only cost $180) would ever get a picture with that many views.


User currently offlineRotor1 From Tajikistan, joined Mar 2003, 230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

The biggest factor in getting a big hitter photo is luck of timing. Get a solid shot accepted at the right hour and you'll see it on the front page. Get an absolutely BRILLIANT shot accepted at the wrong hour, and it'll dissapear on page 3 of the 24/48 hour most popular.

As for getting the really awesome shots, with no regard for hits... then its the same with most everything else in life -- it's all about having the right connections. Networking. Knowing the people that get you the oppurtunities... from there, it just takes a little luck/skill/equipment combo to take the advantage and have the stuff that you friends will drool over.

-Mike

P.S. the last paragraph there was actually pulled from Dating101.com with the word 'girls' changed to 'shots'.



The best aviation photo I've ever taken was rejected by Airliners.net
User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

There is such a thing as bad luck though, I know that, like standing on 27R and seeing this through your lens:




Then there is also luck ;o)

[Edited 2004-07-28 23:36:09]


what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

I create my own luck. If I miss an airplane on a wrong runway, I just get an awesome shot of a standard plane where I am. Its a win-win situation


Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2428 times:


So it would not bother you in the least if Wunala came down on 18R and youre at 06, getting an awesome shot of Transavia 737? It would bother me =)



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

And if you're happy in getting an awesome shot of said Transavia and you seem to be creating your own luck, then what's the deal with speed skating Wietse??  Big grin
Spencer.



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User currently offlineAndersNilsson From Sweden, joined May 2004, 417 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Planning, experience and a hint of luck for this photograph.

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Airliner photography is not a crime.
User currently offlineSaxdiva From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Hell, ANY good shot I get is probably luck...  Wink/being sarcastic

-Leanne


User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Yes, I would rather have an extremely good shot of a Transavia 737 than an average one of Wunala.


Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 745 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

there is no such thing as luck.

Hmm, well I'm sure luck plays a part in my pics - if nothing else, I'm dependent on the English weather  Smile

Seems to me its a very brave man who insults the good lady by doubting her existence!

Cheers,

Colin




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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Plugging time,

Pure luck


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Opportunity


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Skill?

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And with this gorgeous plug, I receive honorary citizenship of Elbonia  Big thumbs up

Alex.



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

dude.

How is taking a picture of a UA 763 in crap weather luck  Confused

and plugging the same shot twice, in the same thread? Haha rad.

That Ted shot is sweet, you cant beat a Sony 707 or 717 for static night shooting, the colors are surreal.


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

"Yes, I would rather have an extremely good shot of a Transavia 737 than an average one of Wunala."

Confirmation that you're more a photographer than an aviation enthusiast  Big grin

Luis


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Royal,

The caption explains it. Of course, it would have looked better if the sun was out and I was on the ramp, instead of a plane, but hey, I guess it me the standards.

Alex.



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineCapntoo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

I agree, it's a combination of everything...planning, skill, timing, luck. Photography has been my hobby/passion for 30 years, with aviation photos a relatively new interest in the last 5 years. I've just uploaded my 1st photo to A.net, which I'm sure will be rejected (most 1st timers are so I hear) and that's fine. Having them posted isn't a priority. What is a priority is that I have fun, enjoy myself, meet new people, make friends and have airliner shots that please me and a collection of slides, prints and digitals, with the documentation, that I can look back on, remember the day and circumstances of the photo and relive a great day and a photo that pleases ME and that I'm proud of. To me, that's what aviation photography is..... (Just an A.net noobies observation)  Smile

User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

There are people who seem to have more luck than others, why? because of their dedication and being constantly observant.

So what people call "luck", not always is just "luck".

Luis


25 Post contains images Alberto Riva : Sitting on the correct side of the plane helps too. People seem to like airport overviews for some reason I will never understand, so on a fairly sunn
26 Post contains images Christian : For me it's "Right time, right place, right equipment." or luck as other says.[Edited 2004-08-01 10:39:50]
27 Post contains links and images Erwin972 : Planning: what time of day, what is the direction of sunlight, what spot to choose for taking pictures, listening to the ATIS (or channel 9 for AMS)
28 Post contains links and images KLGAviation : Of my three shots on the database, they are all the result of luck, opportunity, and skill. These three shots have 31691 , 6857 , and 1295 hits. Getti
29 Post contains links and images Maiznblu_757 : Now this is planning.. I am sure he planned everything having to do with this shot, including the fog. No luck involved here. View Large View MediumPh
30 Post contains links and images Brian_ga : I have been taking pictures of airplanes since 1978. In all that time I have taken 1000's of pictures and have seen many things at the airport. I woul
31 Post contains images PW100 : It's a combination of all above mentioned factors. However planning, and just keep on trying to get that one shot in the long run will help your odds.
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