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User currently offlineYevgeny From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 199 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4015 times:


Upload queue situation is scare me! 14000 photos!!!!
I think the new uploading system with the limits 30 photos doest work at all!!!Now 14000 photos in a queue and will growing to 20000 within two weeks!
Old system with unlimited uploads was much faster and upload queue never go over 5000 photos!
I think is time to change something!
What you think folks?

Yevgeny Pashnin

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User currently offlineMikec From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 247 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/139818/

I think they have it in hand. Plus remember that it's summer so not only are people taking more photos due to nicer weather (well in most places!), but it's also airshow season, and also holiday season - and screeners are entitled to holidays and days off in the nice weather like anyone else. There's no rush and once they have brought more screeners in, it should reduce it somewhat.

I don't think it has anything to do with the 30 upload limit - in fact that will have helped. If the old Q was still here, then people would be in it for weeks and keep readding all their new photos before they got to the front, without limits.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Well, about the 30. I used to upload and never hit 15 in the q. Maybe it's just cause the summer, but me and other people I know have maxed their limit. Now we have like a weeks wait before we can upload, and believe me, they are piling up over here on my hard drive.

Suggestion: 10 photos upoaded per day. With this limit, the Q should stay pretty stable, and we photographers won't be scrambling for ways to back up all the pics.

Just my .02 rubils.


User currently offlineCathay112 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Drop the maximum allowed photos in the queue at any one time for a photographer to 5 temporarily to ease pressure on the screeners and allow the backlog to be cleared.

I firmly believe the limit should be then raised to 15 when the new screeners are being trained and then subject to change thereafter dependant on the queue size and screener availability.

Temporary drop in queue size with an upload limit varied by the number of photos in the queue at any given time is my suggestion.

eg: 1000 photos waiting - queue limit 30, 2000 photos waiting, queue limit 20, 3000 photos waiting - queue limit 10........ and so on.

Not knocking the screening speed here as they're only volunteers and they have they're own photos to work on too! I think the queue needs to be photographer friendly and screener friendly.


User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1071 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

The idea of a limit based on queue size is a good one.
Given the queue spends most of its life hoveringaround the 4000-7000 mark an average limit of 10 for that mark would be a good place to start.
It is flexible,allows for all situations and hopfully will stop people flodding the DB with side shots of aircraft theat already have 100+ shots in the DB.
By making people more selective in their own criteria for what they upload then it will make the queue easier to manage.
Darren



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9668 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
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hopfully will stop people flodding the DB with side shots of aircraft theat already have 100+ shots in the DB.

Yeah but how many of those are quality side shots? Exactly.

A clean side-shot is the holy grail, better than most of the crap that gets uploaded.

Anyways, if you look at the new photos added you will see a ton of Biz jets and GA stuff, thats the stuff that needs to be limited.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Biz jets and GA stuff, thats the stuff that needs to be limited.

Says you? HAHA.

I am sure they will take that into consideration.





User currently offlineRes From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Royal...

Whats wrong with business jets and g/a aircraft?

-Tim-



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9668 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3861 times:
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Tim - not a darn thing, just seeing people upload tons of them @ the same time.

User currently offlineRes From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

I better not upload what i've got ready to send in then, huh  Smile

-Tim



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Sickening.. There are so many photos, never seen such an enormous amount to be screened.

We shouldn't upload anymore photos for the rest of the week to give some screeners a chance to process them all.
As for me, yah fine I will send 1 or 2 more taken this week to reach a total of 5 waiting in queue.

Overall.. That is crazy amount.



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User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1713 posts, RR: 65
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3822 times:
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Perhaps limiting the no. of photos a "newbie" (with no photos in db) can upload. There are tons of new digital 300D, D70 users and haven't got much clue about post processing and shooting and flooded the queue and lengthen the process of screening and directly affect other photographers.

And ease the upload limit on some experienced photographer (with 500 photos or more??) since most do self-screen and know what they doing.

Sam


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

just seeing people upload tons of them @ the same time.

Such is life.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Perhaps limiting the no. of photos a "newbie" (with no photos in db) can upload. There are tons of new digital 300D, D70 users and haven't got much clue about post processing and shooting and flooded the queue and lengthen the process of screening and directly affect other photographers.

And ease the upload limit on some experienced photographer (with 500 photos or more??) since most do self-screen and know what they doing.


And here we have a classic example of the big staying big and the little getting squashed out or overlooked.

I think if there is going to be an upload limit, it needs to be the same no matter what the name of the photographer throughout the queue. I think that I shouldn't have to wait with my limit of 5 photos, while another photographer gets to keep uploading up to 30 ahead of mine.


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

I think Yevgeny is exaggerating a bit. I do not think it will rise to 20,000 or that the old system was much faster.

What has changed in my opinion is the availability of fairly cheap high res digital cameras that ANYONE can take a good picture....and the popularity of this site & its pictures is creating many more "wannabe's". I'm not sure anymore what can solve the queue problems....other than constantly adding Screeners but eventually the group of Screeners itself will become too large to manage. After Johan adds more now, the group will number probably 30. I suppose the extra long waits and high quality standards will make it even more of an honorable achievement to be accepted on here.

A lot of screeners have probably taken off and gone to some little airstrip in England to gawk at a bunch of brand new planes...... Big grin



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User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1758 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

i think there's something wrong with the way its being handled....just adding more screeners to help out the queue? it's going to take a while before the screeners even come into full swing...like i said before it's like putting a band aid on a gunshot wound....(the best analogy i could think of) so the next time the queue gets this high, is a.net just going to add more screeners?

i think the screening process really needs to be looked at again.....maybe the screeners and admin won't agree but honestly, does a photo have to pass through the eyes of 3 experienced screeners (or more!?)...shouldn't the more experienced screeners be able to pass judgment on a photo themselves by now? and if they see it as borderline, why not have another screener (experienced) take a look....that way pics can get screened much faster...

i think there are definitely more options as well that could be considered, like completely separating the myav.net and a.net queues, if its a problem that a lot of people upload to both, knowing that they'll be accepted at myav.net and rejected here at a.net...

just my thoughts though....either way i'll still take my pictures and enjoy this hobby of mine  Wink/being sarcastic



"my soul is in the sky" - shakespeare
User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5870 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

the que has almost doubled in less than 6 weeks, if we are at 14000 now then i would hate to think the size in another 2 or 3 weeks! 20000 isn't that far off!


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

I guess I'll ask this one again...

What is the rush?

It used to take longer then this just to get your film back from the lab... remember those days? Actually sending off a few rolls to get developed?

Relax and enjoy what your doing and quit worrying about how long it takes the world to see your stuff..


User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1758 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

compared to some...ahem...other sites on the net, a.net has by far the largest queue for photos.....i guess a.net has to be the biggest in all respects!

yeah, i know a.net gets more traffic and more uploads and what not....

honestly i don't care how long it takes for my photos to get screened here....i'm just trying to think of possible solutions...just putting my two cents worth in

jonathan d.

[Edited 2004-07-30 06:39:40]


"my soul is in the sky" - shakespeare
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

I gotta say I agree with what Sam said about giving lower upload limits to newbies.

It's not big deal is you give a newgie a limit of 5, and they just wait a LITTLE longer to get a few more shots. Then once they reach like 20 or so, give them a higher limit like everyone else's.

This prevents the people who flood the extreme crap in the queue. It's doesn't supress or oppress them in any way.

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineH. Simpson From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 949 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Well Phil if you give a newb a limit of 5, and after 3 weeks among those 5 there are probably 3 already rejected in first screening, I wouldn't bother with uploading to a.net again

The quick and dirty way to solve the situation is to HIRE MORE SCREENERS! Send email invitations to those "big uploaders"

[Edited 2004-07-30 07:29:10]

User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Well waht's the point of putting up 30 if you're not even familair with the standards since newbs don't have a feel yet from getting acceptances?

Maybe a screener can fill us in and give us approximate percentages of how many shots int he d/b are good, how many are absolute garbage, how many are great and so forth.

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Why should be there a different limit for newbies. The bad photos (not necassarily by newbies) are easier to reject and they don't effect the processing times significantly. The better shots are the time consuming ones for the screeners who are doing a great job.

Regards.


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Jeff, when i did prints I used to go to the one hour lab and i always got them back the same day. no waiting.


Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1071 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Clickhappy
"A clean side-shot is the holy grail, better than most of the crap that gets uploaded"

Obviously your "Holy Grail" is far from most other aviation photogaphers on the planet if you seriously believe that!!
I encourage you to take a look at some of the Japanese Military slide shooters if you want to see the holy grail as most of what goes through this website and most others is FAR from it.
A side on shot of a target moving at less than 10Kts centre'd with a level horizon as opposed to one moving at 180-450ks centre'd with horizon level?
Mmmm i think i know which is the more difficult shot.
I recommend you start here and you will rapidly revise your definition of the holy grail.
Cheers
Darren

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25 Post contains images N178UA : Hey Darren Remember each of us have our preferences! While I appreciate your comments, but being in the shoes of what Royal said and done many times m
26 Willo : It sounds like some of the members that are whinging about newbies are trying to create their own exclusive upload club, excluding all those that don'
27 Skymonster : 9462 pictures uploaded in the last week, 3221 pictures accepted, 14075 screenings taken place. Given that almost all accepted pictures are likely to h
28 Ckw : Pics make their way through in due course. The big problem in the past was placeholding which meant some pics would get delayed inordinately, and that
29 Willo : As suggested, take away the option to submit to both A.net and Myav as this does seem to have made a huge difference to the queue. Am I right in think
30 Cathay112 : Oh no, the "I'm really good and deserve a higher upload limit than a newbie" crew are out again!!!! Is there anyone here with the guts to say that the
31 Skymonster : If this forum is any guide it would seem that most, if not all, of the good photographers are members and are willing to share their knowledge. Member
32 Wietse : Oh no, the "I'm really good and deserve a higher upload limit than a newbie" crew are out again!!!! Uhhh nope that is backwards to what we are saying.
33 Cathay112 : I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one then. I see what you are saying but.... When I see a statement like this "And ease the upload limi
34 Timdegroot : I can assure you that having a number of photos in the database has nothing to do with rejection rates. Surely we get the odd uploader now and then wh
35 Dehowie : G'day Sam Yes i am looking forward to cathing up with you at some point soon. I missed you the other night after the UAL thing as i had already been a
36 Mhodgson : May I make a suggestion, that the HQ queue is reduced to two screening, or that the direct add feature is used more? I appreciate that this may cause
37 Post contains images Sulman : Andy, Your comments regarding the forum are interesting - perhaps the new monthly email will help as I recall the sensor dust issue was mentioned in i
38 JeffM : " I used to go to the one hour lab and i always got them back the same day. no waiting." LOL Bruce, yes I know what your talking about in regards to t
39 Post contains images Pepef : Upload every shot that is not totally terrible to MyAv.net and write a script that automatically goes through each days uploads and transfers the pict
40 Bruce : I didn't stop to realize that a big chunk of the queue is shots going to myaviation - I wonder how many in the queue are uploads to a.net ONLY? Perhap
41 Skymonster : I didn't stop to realize that a big chunk of the queue is shots going to myaviation - I wonder how many in the queue are uploads to a.net ONLY? Lets b
42 Apuneger : Hello, Yes, it's true indeed that the queue is definitely quite high, probably because of the reasons Skymonster mentioned, not so much because of the
43 Skymonster : Ivan, Great idea that has been discussed before. Sadly, whilst a significant number of photographers who contribute here are happy to be here whilst t
44 Apuneger : Andy, That's basically my idea as well. If Airliners.net would start charging on whatever basis, there's indeed a risk of loosing some great, highly s
45 Post contains images Andyhunt : To me it is quite simple now, and it was already raised in another reply on this thread. Most of the "senior" screeners have been screening for a few
46 Post contains images PH-OTO : Return to your hovel... Martin
47 Dehowie : Andy Thats a pretty good idea about the direct adding of photo's to senor screeners. Maybe for guys who have been screening for x amount of time can s
48 Jderden777 : yeah, that's what i stated in reply 15 above...nobody paid any attention though the more experienced screeners should be able to screen a photo here b
49 Saxdiva : As one of the "newbies," (I've got seven accepted out of 14 shots uploaded), I felt I should weigh in with my opinion about lower upload limits for pe
50 Bruce : Andyhunt - Are you saying that Screeners cannot direct add? I thought they could, and do frequently. bruce taking up 8 spots out of 14,000 in the queu
51 Ckw : The charging thing ... given that so many people seem to want to upload here as well as other sites, there must be some percieved value to being on A.
52 Post contains images GKirk : "Perhaps limiting the no. of photos a "newbie" (with no photos in db) can upload" No offence, but why not limit the no. of photos that someone who has
53 FL350 : My suggestion is that 1st class membership be made a requirement for uploading to A.net. (MyAv to remain free). For a good few this will have no impac
54 Andrewuber : Geez, 14,027 in the queue right now. Probably 12,000 of them are of that darned A-340-600 at Farnborough.
55 Lorm : Thought I'd chime in here, Okay I'll be the first to admit im a NOOB (newbie!) at taking serious aviation pictures and submitting them to A.NET. That'
56 Post contains images Apuneger : I like the idea of First Class membership for photographers. While it's very likely that Airliners.net will lose at least some photographers, I'm pret
57 JeffM : I think Colin has got the best grip on the situation. As I am on record of stating that I don't really care about the length of time it takes for an i
58 Post contains links Fotodj : If the photographers uploading pictures like this : http://myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00154678 screeners must go through hell.....
59 Post contains images Sukhoi : Screeners can direct add and most of us do I have screened 1000 today cleared out most of the 2nd or 3rd screener to add queue. I direct add anything
60 Post contains images Lorm : If the photographers uploading pictures like this : http://myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00154678 screeners must go through hell..... I wa
61 Post contains images Sukhoi : Fotodj, Yep there are plenty of images similar to that in the main queue, and some that are even further away Plenty of digital zoom specials too and
62 Quetzalcoatl : Maybe a good approach could be to start tracking photographers acceptance rate or rejection rate, as these change through time. limit the upload queue
63 Pepef : Everyone gets 10 (?) free slots in the queue, courtesy of Airliner's net. First Class members get 15 slots. More slots can be purchased on a yearly ba
64 Skymonster : As soon as anyone starts paying (especially for places in the queue) there will be expectations set in terms of service levels... Whilst ever its free
65 Airplanepics : I think the current upload limit is fine as it is. Yes, there's a big queue at the moment - so what? It's Summer and Airshow season in most countries
66 Post contains images Planeboy : If yall remember, last year at this time, things slowed down just like now. The weather is nice - warm - it is summer time in most parts of the world.
67 707cMf : I have a suggestion : remove the 30 upload limit, and leave the queue right as it is now (with the upload day separation). Why ? A lot of people, when
68 Post contains images Codeshare : What I'm concerned abut at the moment, is the size of the photostats page, after about 3 months. Already when I open it the first date is 1-07-2004 an
69 Post contains links and images Sukhoi : Here's one of the better shots I just came across in the queue http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/photo.main?filename=abcd.jpg Upload comment includi
70 Post contains images Airplanepics : Paul, what did you reject it for? Simon
71 Post contains images Paulianer : Probably rejected for badhandcare Tobi
72 DLKAPA : Now why do I smell Scotty?
73 Post contains links United4everDEN : http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=abcd.jpg Interesting, I cannot figure out to whom he is giving the finger.
74 Maiznblu_757 : The chicken shit blurred out his finger. "Oh no, they might figure out who I am". Unless he is really clickhappy with that finger, it just wore off.[E
75 Post contains images Gerardo : Should be rejected for "bad level". Gerardo
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