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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

Please explaine this photo:


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I just happened to be cruising at FL330 in my Piper Cub when this B747 came whizzing by. Boy! Was I lucky!


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User currently offlineAmericanAirFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

LOL I cant explain it but nice picture you are very lucky.  Big thumbs up Big thumbs up

-AmericanAirFan



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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

Ive emailed the photographer as a possible explanation ive had, its about developing tunderstorms that can sometimes create a "tunnel" effect, and has been reported in Bermuda.
But thinking of it, it may be that the Piper is just flying through the contrails, but it doesnt look it, as theres excess cloud in a semi-circle feature..


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Perhaps it's a small glimpse of the 747's wake, (not the full wake obviously because that is a different size and pattern).

Building thunderstorms can cause this type of effect too (as stated above).

A brave pilot to fly a piper that close behind a 747 (remember now there are no old bold pilots).

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Planespotterx: It's time for bed. Your mommy made me say that.


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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

lol Blackbird1331....shes probobally right..

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

A good example of chemtrail trials.

User currently offlineJetAv8r From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

"A brave pilot to fly a piper that close behind a 747 (remember now there are no old bold pilots)."

I don't think the poster was serious about that, I've never seen a cub at 33,000 feet. I'd imagine it was just a thin layer of overcast that the 747 flew threw and it's wake is creating that effect and the picture was taken from the ground. But that's just a guess.

[Edited 2004-08-02 01:31:29]

[Edited 2004-08-02 01:31:58]

User currently offlineJofa From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 320 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

I've seen a 747 rip a hole in the low clouds like that, but it was on approach. Definitely a cool effect and congrats to the photographer for catching it.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Which raises the question of skill,opportunity or luck Big grin

User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5122 times:
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I once saw an MD11 do the same thing at Kai Tak when departing from Runway 13. But the camera was in the bag.....so sad!

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User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Looks to me like the photographer was on the ground, the aircraft has just taken-off into something akin to a light mist or low cloud and it has just started swirling from the wingtip vortex.


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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2037 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Are you suggesting the image is faked?

Seen something almost identical at MAN. A 747 went through a passing raincloud, at about the same distance this photograph was taken, and her wake produced a similar effect. Sadly, nobody had a lens that was long enough to capture it.



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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

I've never heard of building t/storms having an effect like that (it would be a cool site,though)

This looks like Wake Turbulence, plain and simple. That shot is gonna get a lot of attention, it's spectacular!


User currently offlineRotor1 From Tajikistan, joined Mar 2003, 230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Wing tip vortices.

This photo

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is the opposite (contrail visible, fog invisible) of the Evergreen 747 (contrail invisible, fog visible). The condensation trail fills in the hole in the fog behind the 747.

End of story.

Andy



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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

How does one just "happen" to be there to capture such a moment?
I've heard that there are some people who spend significant periods of time standing around at airports watching aircraft. Perhaps one of them had a camera and captured this departing 747.

Stefan's shot gives an idea of how much air a large aircraft puts in motion as it moves through it. Some other examples, on a smaller scale:







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User currently offlineF-WWKH From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Just posted this as a separate topic as couldnt find this one at first glance:

There are very nice photos on this site, from great photographers which are going to every way to get more pics on here. Of course people do use computer programs to enhance their pictures which makes them come out better in most instances. Today I stumbled over this photo, and ask myself what meterological phenomenon this may be?


User currently offlineJofa From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 320 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

F-WWKH

"and ask myself what meterological phenomenon this may be?"

Wake turbulence caused by a 747, didn't you read any of the posts above?


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4613 times:
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The Queen of the Skies can do weird things to clouds.

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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

I see where my Denmark/fish post has been deleted. I guess someone was offended by my remarks but with no explination from the offended party, only that "fair and friendly warning" e-mail from the forum administrators. "A low quality post", was the reason for the deletion.

Study replys 15,16 and 19 and you will see none of them actually come close to duplicating the photo at the top of the thread.

I have printed up a copy of the subject photo and will dine with friends in Denmark over a fish dinner.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Study replys 15,16 and 19 and you will see none of them actually come close to duplicating the photo at the top of the thread.

The Gulfstream in #16 exactly reproduces the top photo.

Study 15 and you will see that the rolled up wake of the A330 approaching the photographer more or less exactly reproduces the photo at the top. The contrail fills in the hole in the fog. Just because you can "see" different parts of the flow does not mean that the flows are different.



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

I suggested deletion of your comments because I beleive you are alluding to this photo being a fake. If you think something is rotten and you can offer convincing evidence that something is faked deal with it through the screeners and mods.

Coming out and calling something fake or just whispering an allegation is a serious issue for many photographers.

Tony.


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

On first sight I knew this photo was probably the best Belgian photo of the year. Anyway, I also thought: the 747 has just taken off from EBOS and flew through some sort of cloud layer that was broken up into a tunnel as soon as it flew through it. Nothing fake about it, just lucky  Wink/being sarcastic

Maybe it helps to know that EBOS is at situated at the sea?

Ivan



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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

As I see it, the wake is not falling in on itself and to the rear of the aircraft. It appears to be about double the height of the aircraft, whereas the wake in post 19 is at the level of the wingtips and closing behind the aircraft.


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None of my posts were whispered. My remark was a paraphase of Shakespere. I thought something was "fishy", so I published my thoughts.



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25 Oly720man : Given you have no information about the relative positions of the aircraft or the cloud/fog, or the position of the photographer, it's impossible to s
26 CFIcraigAPA : Different configurations, too. Landing and takeoff will create different amounts and durations of wake vortices, with initial take off and climb produ
27 Post contains links and images Blackbird1331 : No,sir. I am not jealous. I might be jealous of this shot, because I was not there to see this: View Large View MediumPhoto © Thomas Luethi Or th
28 INNflight : Damn, it's off topic, but hey... I departed ZRH on HB-IOH just 1 or 2 hrs before that accident happend.... bad luck, i could not see it. Florian
29 Blackbird1331 : INNflight: CFIcraigAPA introduced jealousy and spectacular, just trying to refine those adjetives. The Paul Bowen shot is topic related, I could not f
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