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Used DSLR, Pro's Vs. Con's  
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2600 times:

I think I have kind of met my limitations with my current camera, the Sony F717. I think the next step is into DSLR technology. I have a few friends with camera's such as the Cannon 10D, 300D, D30, and Nikon D70. All are great camera's, but what do I want/need. As far as price, I really don't want to jump into a 10D right now cause I think I will suffer with the financial impact. I really want to spend the money on a lense. I think the Cannon 70-200 L IS 2.8 with a 1.4x and 2.0x converter is my choice and as we all know, its pretty expensive for the set.

I guess the question is, is it worth getting a used D30 or D60 and hooking up the fancy lense to that for the time being and then when there are more funds to spend, get a 10D or even 1D? I am just nervous about getting a used camera that may be in good condition? From my research I think the D60 may be a better camera than the 300D from a technical stand point, and I think the price is about the same.

Thanks in advance for the help

Grant


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User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Grant, the received wisdom is to do precisely what you are proposing, namely if funds are tight, invest in good quality lenses and lower spec / older bodies until you can afford to upgrade the body.

FWIW I've got a D30 and IMHO it produces cracking images.

Cheers!

Rez
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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Rez,

You bet you have some awesome images, Dripstick has one and another friend HAD one and he loves his 10D, but he keeps saying his D30 was great. I think I am leaning towards the D60 cause of the 6 Megapixels, that will allow for more cropping.... but I have nothing to worry about getting a second had DSLR?

Grant



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User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Grant,

There's always a worry when one buys secondhand... who knows how well the camera has been treated in the hands of the previous owner? If at all possible buy a s/h body from either a proper camera shop or from someone you know and trust. I bought mine from a camera shop and I took a gamble by buying it unseen. However it did come with a short warranty from the shop so if it had arrived in less than pristine condition then it would have gone straight back. Thankfully its condition was just as described.

This being my first DSLR I am not too sure where the major breakdown points are... shutter? Mirror flip system? They're the only two mechanical systems I can think of right now.

Good luck with your purchase mate... you 're gonna love it!

Cheers!

Rez
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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Similar to my answer in another thread:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/143355/

I started with the Sony DSC-S85 - the 717 was the only higher model.
I think that your money is very, very well spent on a 10D. You're looking at the right lens in the Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS as well! The best zoom you can place on a Canon IMHO bar none.

Pros:
* Takes aviation photography to a whole new level
* Quality of shots
* Speed of taking shots - with the 70-200, never lose another shot

Cons:
* Editing - more required due to professional nature of resulting photos (less editing required with pin sharp 70-200)
* Cost - well actually, this isn't a con. The 10D is far better value for money than the 717 originally was. It's a far better camera in every aspect.

Glenn



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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2037 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Grant,

If you do choose to take the D30 route, I don't think you'll be disappointed. The D30 gives very, very little away to the 10D or 300D.

As Glenn says, if you can afford it, the 10D is a brilliant camera, and will open up many things in the world of photography.

Cheers

James



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User currently offlineJoakimE From Sweden, joined Nov 2001, 408 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

I bought my D30 used in march 2003 from a pro photographer moving up to the 1Ds. He had done over 25 000 frames with the camera and also had the shutter changed (it's got a D60 shutter now) just before selling. It doesn't even have a mark on it, and keeps going like a tank. The only problem I've had with it was almost a year ago, when the shutter stayed open at one moment (just as the Chelsea Rose BA767 was passing me, d'oh!), had to remove the batteries to make it work again, but it's never failed me since then.
I can't see the 3MP as a limit either, just keep cropping to a minimum and you'll be fine, always aim for full frame  Big grin

Oh, and I'm using the D30 with either a 20mm, a 28-70mm or my 70-200/4 lens, all Canon  Smile


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2037 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

The 3 versus 6 megapixel issue is a bit misleading in the case of the D30. Certainly, of the images I've seen here, I'm hard pressed to tell the difference detail-wise, plus the colour saturation seems to be nicer straight out of the camera.


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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2823 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

I love the D30's sensor!!! Thats what you get from a CCD instead of a CMOS! Ah well, the 10D will have to do!

I would definatly reccomend moving up to a DSLR, i would wait until september as this is when the successor to the 10D should be announced which will hopefully flood the market with used 10D's at much cheaper prices!!!

Chris



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User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

>I love the D30's sensor!!! Thats what you get from a CCD <

?????????????

/JM



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User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 769 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Oh dear Chris ... back to school for you!

I would tend to agree that at native resolution using 100 ISO the D30 image quality is slightly better than the D60/10D - the images are slightly cleaner and smoother. Simple physics at play - the D60 and 10D have more pixels packed into the same space ... higher density=more noise.

Having said that, the D60 and 10D have more advanced noise processing, so while the D30 may have the edge at 100 ISO, the D60 is better at higher ISOs, and the 10D better again. Also, both the D60 and more so the 10D are better cameras in terms of overall performance (AF, card writing, buffer size etc.)

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Thanks for the responses, see thats the hard part, right now I can probably afford to grab a good D30 or 60, and as you guys have said, both are fantastic, and I shouldn't have a problem getting that 70-200 f2.8 L IS lense. I have seen people with the 10D and a cannon 70-300 USM lense and I think thats maybe the backwards approach.... or is it. So i guess the dilema now is do I wait until i can afford the 10D and the f2.8 lense.  Nuts

Off to ebay again to search for a camera....

OR does anyone have any good shops that I can contact in North America to find what I am looking for?

Grant



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User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 769 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Cameras come and go, good glass lasts a lifetime. With the 70-200 2.8 LIS you'll get the best out of whatever body you choose. Up to the size limits of the D30, quality from this and the 70-200 will beat output from a 10D and a 70-300mm hands down.

Also, there will be a replacement for the 10D - maybe next month, maybe in 6 months - either way, the value of the 10D will drop when it comes. Buying a 10D now may not be the wisest investment decision you could make.

Cheers,

Colin




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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

I am so close to getting a 10 on HP but I know that in 3 months time The prices will fall so I am currently sitting on my hands (not literally) to stop me from buying a new camera now...


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