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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

I'm planning to change my film camera as well as the digital.

Should I buy Canon or Nikon?

Which model?



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

By the way, why not Minolta?

User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Give us some more info. Are you looking for a DSLR? Do you want to buy new or second hand? How much do you want to spend?

Roel.



Never be afraid of what you like. (Miles Davis)
User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

Ca - Non ?  Smile The way to go!

Get a new, classy looking 20D and a 100-400L IS USM... you'll be happy with it  Big grin

cheers,
Florian



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Yes, I'm looking for a DSLR, brand new, and no more than $4k both.

Thanks,


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

Canon 20D with 100-400L IS and 17-40L.

or you could go with the cheaper alternative...


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

TACAA320,

I would definetely say go for the Canon, they have never let me down! I have a D30 with 75-300, 28-105 and 20mm prime...and I've seen shots from a friend's D100 when we both went spotting together. His shots had way too much blue in them, whereas mine were much better exposed, the colours better and my 3mpx pics looked better than his 6mpx ones!

Plugs of the Canon D30's capabilities:


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Hope this helps, any questions....feel free to ask  Smile

Henry


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Henry - his WB settings may have been a bit awry.

Try both out and go with what makes you happy. I use Canon myself, but there's plenty of great shots here from Nikon users, so do your homework on some of the site images, email some photographers, and make your mind up.

Jeff Miller uses both; he could probably give you a rundown of the relative strengths.



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User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

Always a good idea is to visit http://www.dpreview.com for tests and reviews.

If you want to get an idea about prices go to: http://www.bhphotovideo.com

Roel.



Never be afraid of what you like. (Miles Davis)
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Thanks to all folks.

















User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Canon 20D, very new to the market and well worth the money!


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User currently offlinePilothighflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Nikon D70 and new Nikon D200
Try out everything with in your price range and buy whats comfortable to you, nikon will prolly feel better tho  Big grin

Robert


User currently offlineMdwalkman From China, joined Oct 2001, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

Have to agree with Robert. Definetely Nikon. Get a D70 and you won't be disappointed.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

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User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1057 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

G'day
I use Canon but would recommend either as a great way of getting the best from your photography.
A few simple points worth considering.
Both Nikon and Canon make awesome camera's so look straight past any biased comments by anyone.
Canon glass is in general slightly better than Nikon on the L lenses however the quality control of Canon is terrible.Make sure you try before you buy any Canon glass.
If you get good L lens it is outstanding!!
In general Canon QC is poor so always check any glass no matter how expenseive apart from the big primes.
Nikon camera's do have a far better feel in yor hand than Canon.I really don't know why Canon ergonomics arn't as good.
Look at your budget,look at the lenes and make the big decision.
Both are great but at the moment Canon are making slightly better DSLR's.
Remember though that the body is only around for a few years and the glass lasts a lifetime.
Darren



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User currently offlineKereru From New Zealand, joined Jun 2003, 873 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Either Nikon or Canon are okay. Check what best suits you and go with that.

Olympus has a good one too worth looking at as it is quite small and less to carry around. Konica Minolta and Pentax have some as well so you have a wider choice these days and the prices may be more expensive than the two front runners you mention.

I have a D70 and it works fine for me.

Cheers,
Colin



Good things take Time.
User currently offlineKC7MMI From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

One thing's for sure...you can't go wrong with a Nikon. A friend of mine uses a film Rebel and played with my new Nikon N75 (film camera) and said he might just by a Nikon after all. On this camera in particular, the autofocus is very good. It's small, light, and inexpensive. Nikon kicks ass.

User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4691 times:


Dehowie, L-lenses are not generally better. They're essentially equal.
I like nikons designs better, more userfriendly and quick to work, but thats highly subjective.



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineVir380 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

The debate goes on  Smile

to be absolutly honest ..... there is no difference between Canon an Nikon .. quality is the same .... features the same .... etc etc


the main thing you have to look at yourself is the overall cost involved for the body and lenses and any accessories you may want , have a look around at the sites Roel has posted for features and benefits ... then have look at something like either Ebay or any second hand camera dealers in your country and weigh up the costings of both second hand against new ..

your own personal choice entirely

regards Tony


User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1057 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

HI ChrisH
Not to get into the Canon vs Nikon thing but ALL of my professional photographer friends agree that Canon L glass is superior to Nikon.
Not by much but it is slightly better.
Two of those opinions come from guys who used Nikon for 20 years and have recently converted to Canon because they have no choice.
With the publishers providing the gear they had no choice but to convert and both agree the lenses are better.Not bymuch but better never the less.
However other things in the Canon system are not as good(QC,ergonomics,etc) while others like the flash system are far superior to Nikon.
As i said above both make great Camera's and lenses but as can be seen at any sporting event at the moment Canon hold the upper hand in professional use which at the end of the day is the ultimate judgement of gear.
Both are excellent systems with various advantages but L lenses are one advantage Canon have that Nikon doesn't.
Darren



2EOS1DX,EF14.2.8LII,17TS,85/1.2,16-35L,24-70LII,24L,70-200F2.8LII,100-400,300/400/500/800L
User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

"while others like the flash system are far superior to Nikon."

It's well known that it it actually the other way around, Nikons flash system has always been better and still is. I feel no need to argue further, I cant tell any difference in quality between Canon and Nikons best glass, don't think you could either.



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Haaaaaaaaaaaaah......not again. Same ol'........
Canon vs. Nikon there we have it again.
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Florian wrote:
"Ca - Non ? The way to go!
Get a new, classy looking 20D and a 100-400L IS USM... you'll be happy with it"

What makes you say so, Florian? Canon salesman?? Are you on comission?
Have you ever tried the combo, or do you simply rely on the word of mouth????
-------------------------------------------


Years back when I bought my first SLR I asked myself the same question.
Back then a.net was not even in the making, so I went to my local pro shop. It would have been either Nikon or Canon.
Functionality of the cameras was pretty much the same. The feel of Nikon was much better so I went with what felt right.

Years later I still rely on Nikon and I am pretty happy with it.

---------------------------------------------

Darren wrote:

"...but as can be seen at any sporting event at the moment Canon hold the upper hand in professional use which at the end of the day is the ultimate judgement of gear"

There are so many other types of photography, it is not only sports........


Anyone has access to market shares of Canon and Nikon (pro sector)???

Whatever brand you use one thing is of great importance after a long day at the airport

We had Fun, fun, fun.........

Vasco G.


User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1057 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

I agree Vasco that with such great gear it really doesn't matter.
Obviously Chris you have never used the EOS 550 flash system the one thing all pro photographers rave about after switching from Canon to Nikon.
Small test for your Nikon flash gear.
Walk into a sealed room with all the lights off so that it is completely black.
Take a shot with your Nikon flash in complete darkness with the AF on.Unless it comes out perfectly metered and focused in total darkness then i have proved my point about Flash gear.
As i have said before the opinions stated here are NOT mine but from 2 professionals whom are die hard Nikon fans and users for 20 years.
They are the ones who have used both Nikon glass and Canon and the pro's opinion is the Canon is slightly better.
End of story.
At the end of the day we are talking about a difference which is slight at best and as i have already said both systems have respected advantages that make a selection difficult to make.
Just seems that at the moment Canon have the edge.10 years ago it was Nikon who had the lead.
I am looking forward to seing the 200D and hope it provides some good competition for for 20D from Canon so at least peole will still have a choice.
Darren


[Edited 2004-09-28 02:01:20]


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User currently offlineKereru From New Zealand, joined Jun 2003, 873 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Obviously Chris you have never used the EOS 550 flash system the one thing all pro photographers rave about after switching from Canon to Nikon.

Perhaps those pros switched before the arrival of the D70 and SB800 and they have no idea what the new combination can do? Doesn't really matter as both systems are good and work well.

D70 with SB28 in manual mode:


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The SB800 has i-TTL and can be operated wirelessly by itself or with upto 5 other flash guns using one as a master controller. I don't know what the EOS550 can do and I will leave that for others to find out as I am quite happy with the Nikon flash system as it fulfills all my needs very well. What ever the advantage of one system to the other it is only marginal and as long as your happy with the results and your having fun while using the equipment that is the main thing. Just spend twice as much as you expect and it should almost meet your expectations!

Happy shooting.

Colin



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User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1057 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

Hi Colin
The SB800 sounds pretty similar to the 550EX which has been out now for i think something like 2 years but probably more.
From what i understand though you cant use the new iTTL with any older Nikon bodies like the D1X which is are the bodies of choice for the Nikon crew for pro photography until the D2 arrives shortly.
You can slave other 550's to the master unit to have multiple firings etc.
For what most of us use a flash for like you have illustrated the SB800 and 550EX are pretty much overkill but you do get outstanding results and the flexibility to use them so well away from aeroplanes.
Seeya
Darren



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25 Post contains links ChrisH : Dehowie i-TTL is a better version of e-TTL and THAT was superior to Canon. I've never heard a pro prefer the Canon flashsystem. And I've met many pro
26 Dehowie : Hi Chris Just wondering if any of those pro's you have talked to have actually used BOTH Canon and Nikon or are they all striaght up Nikon lovers beca
27 TACAA320 : It may sound weird or stupid, but pls. don't kill me. I know it all depends on many factors. But how much do you think is the life term of a good came
28 ChrisH : The strength of Nikon is the speed and metering. It is Canon that are playing catchup with Nikon in the flash system area, and they're not there yet.
29 Post contains images Ckw : I would agree the Nikon has an edge in terms of flash, due to the use of 3 dimensional metering which factors in both the distance and colour of the s
30 Dehowie : Hi Chris I have to agree that Nikon definitely holds an edge in AF and a slight edge in metering accuracy with the D100 Vs the 10D.With the advent of
31 Staffan : At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what you shoot, because the differences between the cameras are tiny compared to the difference between
32 Post contains images ChrisH : "I have to agree that Nikon definitely holds an edge in AF and a slight edge in metering accuracy with the D100 Vs the 10D" And the D70 has better met
33 Dehowie : Hi Chris So i would gather by this "I just don't like it when ppl lie and make stuff up. Typical of Canon fanboys ;o)" that you are, A)Accusing me of
34 ChrisH : Sorriy if you take it personally but "but it leaves 95% of the Nikon population and ALL the professionals still with a system which is far behind the
35 TACAA320 : "Haaaaaaaaaaaaah......not again. Same ol'........ Canon vs. Nikon there we have it again." Sorry Vasco, I was asking a question and got a lot of prett
36 Cancidas : get a real camera, buy a nikon. you could also go for a leica...
37 TACAA320 : Thanks to all for your answer. I think I will buy a digital Canon and a film Nikon.
38 LHRsunriser : Hi, Canon 300D is extremely good prices for the quality.
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