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An Open Letter To Airliners.net  
User currently offlineCathay112 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9999 times:

Dear Site Admin, Staff, Photographers and forum browsers,

Is this site so reliant on receiving photos from Sam Chui that they offer immediate screening for him?

6 photos added and uploaded today, 1 photo still in screening which is ironically the only one from todays batch being screened.

It doesn't look good for the site seeing Screeners and individuals get preferential treatment like this without just cause (newsworthy event etc etc). Why is it that near everyone else happily sits in the queue but others consistently get their shots through the queue (some with severely questionable quality) with much ease.

Frankly I'm considering finishing up here at airliners.net once I reach 6,000 photos unless things change. Given the rules, conditions and courtesy extended to some don't actually apply to all I think the site administration really needs to examine who is actually doing what here.

Don't go taking this the wrong way either, Sam's photos are mostly quite interesting and are a pleasure to view. However, being a Screener and a regular traveller surely doesn't earn him the right to have his work displayed before others who quite happily wait in the queue get there work looked at. This is not an attack on Sam or his work, it is questioning the daily functions of this website.

I expect the usual array of people to attempt to flush this post away with their usual nonsense, but as an individual who happily waits for his uploads to get screened in sequence I find this sort of activity personally offensive.

Hopefully, things will change - I hope that some people who have become FAR too comfortable with their positions here are questioned accordingly.

Yours sincerely,
Craig Murray - happy and patient queue sitter.


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User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 948 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9856 times:

Don't worry... be happy!  Smile

Regards,

... sorry, don't remember who.

BTW: loved those 2...


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Miquel.
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9840 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

How do you know they were uploaded today? Do you keep track of Sam and his uploads?

It seems like you have serious beef with Sam, and you like to take it out in the forums. You also have beef with the screeners. Why? Bury the hatchet man, its a hobby.

Threatning a dummy spit is silly. You're a grown man, start acting like it.


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9819 times:
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Craig

Yes those photo were added priority, I didn't email or ask for it. I have no problem admitting any faults, since I am closely watched.

Most of the time, my photo sit in the Q like many others, I have no complaint and they get screened and rejected just like everyone else. You checked my email and Queue everyday......I have nothing to hide from watchman like you.

For a while i haven't upload, I got a few added instantly, what's the fuss? Bottom line is they will get added eventually as long as the quality justifies. And if someone else is getting priortity treatment, would you complaint that too??? I may have to keep an close eye on you too, if yours one day somewhat get priority screened too, do I have to downgrade myself to post an open letter too....

for the record, this is NOT first or second of likewise post question A.net from you. More constructive post instead of always picking on me would set you far better.

Sam

[Edited 2004-10-12 06:16:24]

User currently offlineSoBe From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

Craig,

Have you addressed this with the staff privately? If not, I would suggest that to always be the first course of action if you have a concern.

Royal,

As a member of the CREW I would hope that a bit more professionalism would be shown when responding to someone. "You're a grown man, start acting like it." is not an appropriate response. Always better to take the high road and treat with respect even if you don't feel it. You are CREW and should act as such.

I've just joined and perhaps this is the norm but I find it improper.

Kind regards,
Michael


User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9786 times:

I am curious tho Sam, what was your motivation to become a screener? You already travel to the most exotic locations, have access no one else can get, and some of the top pictures on this site. What more can you ask for?

Brian - SPOT THIS!


User currently offlineSoBe From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

By the way,

Sam, I have lurked around A.net for years just looking at photos. I went to your website and recognize many of them. You do great work and give those of us starting out something to shoot for. Thanks for your efforts.

Salud,
Michael


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9774 times:
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Brian

it is just the site I like so much, and I honestly believe I can donate a lot of time to screen photos when i am at home. Since I became a screener I have learnt an aweful lot of A/C and fighters/GA recognizing and editing skills. It all works out for me  Smile

Sam



User currently onlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3153 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9743 times:
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Sam: "a lot of time to screen when home"
Haha, good one, but when ARE you home?
 Big grin
I'd rather see you travelling and sharing photos with us.

Konstantin



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User currently offlineCathay112 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9722 times:

Royal, the beef isn't at Sam mate. It's with the way uploads seem to happen around here with priority for some with proveable consistency. It's disgraceful and put simply, unfair to everyone else. As for your comments, I think something a little more constructive and a little more factually based would be a little more appropriate next time. I tried to raise my point in the most open way possible, your response certainly wasn't done in the same way.

You ask how I know they were added today, let's just say because I do! Myself, and many others keep a regular track of things like this simply because we know it happens. Queue stats/photos can be viewed by anyone, I know people sneak peek at mine to see what I'm uploading before it appears and I enjoy that very much.

The sooner the whole process is made fair and those who are really ruining it for everyone else are weeded out the better. It's been proven before, and it's been proven again that the upload queue is regularly perused (even without the photographers consent) to upload an individuals work before anyone elses. And as I've said before I'd be quite happy to see them pay by being removed from the screening crew.

As for commenting that I have a problem with screeners is nonsense, I admire most of the screeners work just as I do many others that upload here. It's the way in which the screening is done on occasions that bothers me.

Sam, my problem does not lie with you mate, it just seems that your work more often than not is uploaded consistently with priority over everyone else. You know it, I know it and I dare say many other people know it. What I want to know is why this happens? Not from you, all you did was upload....... which we all do. But somehow, somewhere..... someone is deciding that some photographers are worthy of more prompt screening than others.

Again, for the record, my point here is the queue - it's exactly that! Consistently it's being jumped and I would like to see this addressed by admin as a matter of priority. The very odd favour is one thing, but when it tends to happen regularly there's obviously a problem that needs addressing. I know some will viciously deny it happens......... but I suspect there are many who know the truth and are frankly quite sick of it.

And to answer another question, yes my original text had been e-mailed to the site admin.

For anyone that wishes to keep check on my queue statistics - I urge you to do it, because you won't ever see me jump it (excluding front page banner worthy items as is the case with everyone else). I'm proud of my reputation, fiercly proud. But I believe in equality and fairness for all........ something this site promotes but doesn't really seem to preach.


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9701 times:

I can't comment on Sam but what I can say is there are pics that get on this site by Screeners that would not be allowed on by a non screener....

I'm talking about not focused, bad colours and just boring shots that are being rejected form other guys.

To cut it short the site needs RULES FOLLOWED BY ALL.

1) No screening of your own pics
2) The name of the photographer is not know unless its accepted.


User currently offlineEGBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9669 times:

Excellent example of today's Anet 'photography' forum why so many of us don't post/contribute here anymore because of trouble makers like this who come here to S... stir rather than to offer any help or advice to others

Very sad some people’s lives must be to check on other photographers uploads is all I can say

Derek Pedley





User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9661 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

1) No screening of your own pics
2) The name of the photographer is not know unless its accepted.


Impossible.

First, no screeners screen their own pictures. This is impossible, not allowed by the system. You can't even view your own pictures.

The name, and email, is essential. I'd say 10-15% of the queue is made up of people uploading (and reuploading) crap pictures, even after being banned. It would also take way the ability to see if the photog has similiar or the same shots already accepted.

I am quite sure some shots of so-so quality get thru, for both screeners and everyone else.

Is it really that bad? This site is huge, and growing everyday. Some pretty cool people are involved with it, and the photos and their quality are the best on the 'net.



User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9645 times:

ciao guys,

well, I dont want to comment on that "Sam" thing, cause I havent followed how fast and in what matter his pictures gets accepted as close as Craig did. But to be very honest I was very astonished as I saw that Sam was choosen as a screener as he is traveling 100% of his time and definetely doesnt have that much spare time screening. I know of some guys who wanted to become screeners -definetely expierenced enough and a lot of sparetime. But I find some things very strange recently. I only can speak for myself ...
-85% of my pictures get accepted (if they are not rejetced) exactly 1-3 hrs before 24:00. I really cant remember , when I was lucky to get them accepted some hrs after midnight or in the very early morning.
-while in the same time there are very often the same names , which come up with pictures accepted after 24:00.

I guess I am just unlucky - or? I think A.net should set a new system of accepting pics up. I know, it is nearly impossibel to have a timecounter for every single picture. Why not have 4 entrypoints during the day? 1st: 0:05 2nd:6:00 3rd:12:00 4th:18:00 ..... , this system would be much fairer for everybody .... or 6 entrypoints the day ....

This is just an example , how A.net could get rid of people moaning about strange accepting times ..... - there was another thread here some days ago.

Robin




ABC
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9623 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Listen to yourselves...

But I find some things very strange recently. I only can speak for myself ...
-85% of my pictures get accepted (if they are not rejetced) exactly 1-3 hrs before 24:00

I guess I am just unlucky - or?


What are you saying? 85% of your pictures were added at a "bad" time so as to not get views? That doesn't make any sense. The more views the site gets the better the site does. Do you think Johan would allow such nonsense?


User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9604 times:

dear royal,

just to let u know: i actually dont care re views - believe me or not Smile/happy/getting dizzy to underline that , I guess I havent plugged a picture of mine for nearly 1 year or so, even if it would have added some value to the discussion ...

ahh, also to clarify , 85% not of all my pictures, but the recent time ....

anyway, it is the truth .... , I also checked to upload the 1st picture at different times, directly after 24:00 , at 6:00 in thze morning and so on, I allways end up with these strange times , when my pic gets accepted ...

dont get me wrong ... , I am not accusing .... as said I must be just unlucky .... - or?

so what do u think of that "entrypoints" idea?

Robin

[Edited 2004-10-12 09:35:19]


ABC
User currently offlineCathay112 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9591 times:

If there is one more post about shots being accepted in this so called magic hour after midnight or whatever it is please delete this entire thread......... there is no way known to man I'll ever let my name be drawn into that argument...... in any way.

Derek, why is it then that it's common knowledge that people use two e-mail addresses to add their own work, why is it common knowledge that favours for fellow photographers are done....... why is it that I've heard this both beyond these forums, from screeners and in an abundance of e-mails last time I questioned the way the queue operates. You seem to have a problem with a post that is attempting to draw attention to an unfair system that's promoted as fair. Is that not a fair call for someone to make when they see a problem?

And again, let me make it perfectly clear this isn't a post about how long screening takes....... honestly, if someone is so desperate to get a shot on here within 1 day of uploading all the time they dead set really need to grab themselves a life.

I have an awful lot of respect for Johan, he has built us an awesome site. It's when people abuse a system that they're "hired" (term used VERY loosely) I find it both embarassing for the site and for Johan because it reflects on him.

As always, it's interesting to see that no-one from the "site" camp is willing to actively prove and discredit my claim. If someone was to explain the compelling reason these (and many others) photos are added in this manner.

Or is it that you are all to willing to tell people this doesn't happen, but when it does some people go mysteriously quiet?

I really question the integrity of some of you, I really really do. As for honesty, we couldn't possibly ask for that could we?


User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9576 times:
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Robin

FYI, I have 18 days down time coming at home....and before my last week travel commence, I have consistently screened more photo than many other screeners. (in screeners stats which only available to screeners.) Your claim is NOT fair to me, although I travel lot of times, I also contribute lot of free time to this site. I have 3 ops base now in China, in LA and in Sydney, can screen from each base when i am there. I cannot help to explain how your photos added 3 hrs before midnight. It is not appropriate subject to complaint about. I got many times added before and also after midnight, it evens out..and I thought you never mind what good/bad timing they're added ....you don't care about hits right?

Sam


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9563 times:

85% of my pictures get accepted (if they are not rejetced) exactly 1-3 hrs before 24:00

Sorry, I don't get the point. Are you talking about local time or UTC? Midnight in Australia is morning in the U.S. and early afternoon in Europe. Both places have a lot of viewers. Midnight in Europe (UTC) is evening in the U.S. and early afternoon down under - again lots of views.

Does the time of acceptance really matter? As long as the pics are accepted...

Besides, the better the picture is, the more view it gets - just my two cents!


User currently offlineEGBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

Sam,

I have been the target from Craig in the past as you might know - He is clever with his words for sure the way he slags off others but at the same time creeps up to Johan - my advice is to just ignore him as he is obviously just jealous and attention seeking- all very sad in my eyes

Derek Pedley


User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

oh well ....

at Sam: I am sorry ..... , dont know u personally, dont know how much u ve screened recently.

at Unique: i am talking of 24:00 my time, which is also the "meter" of 24 - 48hrs for A.net. so it does defenetely make a difference, if a pic gets accepted at 23:00 or 1:00 , exactly 23 hrs "missing" time on "24 - 48" hrs ....

at All: I dont care about views, but about fairness, anyway I tried to bring up a solution - got understood wrong again.

u all can be sure that I wont bother you with my experiences and solutions again in the future.

Robin

Ps: and before anyone tells me now I am f.... up, NO I am NOT.



ABC
User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Robin, fair enough, but somewhere is the drawn line. Why not suggest of going for the international date line? Lots of water "before and after" it, "only" the guys from Hawaii might complain...

User currently offlinePepef From Finland, joined Oct 2002, 440 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Clickhappy wrote:

The more views the site gets the better the site does. Do you think Johan would allow such nonsense?

I'd say yes.I have 19 pictures of Finnair Airbus cockpits on this site. Average views/picture is 11.633.
Any new inflight photo, even of a new registration I upload gets an instant rejection. Baddouble.

-pepef-






User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9370 times:

This site is built and maintained by multiple people. It will never be possible to operate it completely homogenous (if that is proper English, but you know what I mean). Different people, different opinions, although of course Johan will try to make it as transparant as possible. But still, strange things happen, people scratch eachothers backs, it's plain obvious, but it happens all over the place. Not just this site. Some people know people who can do them favours... Airside access, cockpit access, upgrades... If you get an upgrade, wouldn't all the other economy passengers want the same if they found out? And that's just examples related to flying. It just happens. When a topic is brought up like this, I agree with Craig's point, however find it not worth to argue about. You can't fight it... (...until A.net becomes a commercial institution).
Cheer up Craig! No worries... Not worth it.  Big grin

Eduard


User currently offlinePepef From Finland, joined Oct 2002, 440 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9364 times:

Even though I always react strongly to the rejection of one my better shots, I usually calm down quickly.

On the whole, if the screeners just have a couple of people complaining out of 10.000 uploaders, they are doing a good job.

I see no problem even if the screeners were able to jump the queue all the time. That would be a small payback for the time they spend screening.

-pepef-


25 Danny : "I only can speak for myself ... -85% of my pictures get accepted (if they are not rejetced) exactly 1-3 hrs before 24:00. I really cant remember , wh
26 Malandan : The way this thread deteriorated is yet another example of why I (and I suspect many others) are readers rather than contributers. Why DO some of you
27 Res : Some people should really stop complaining about the process. Especially if you aren't a first class member. This site is being provided to those indi
28 Mikephotos : Shame on you people for being so rude when you aren't financially supporting the service you are using. Without the photographers, there wouldn't be a
29 Post contains images Runway23 : Some how the problem here doesn't seem to be Sam Chui but Craig. Craig, can't understand why you try to attack Sam any time his photos make it in a fe
30 Res : That IS supporting the service...but thats inconsistent to what I said in my post.
31 AKE0404AR : Wholy cow.....I was about to miss one of those interesting discussions again. Glad that i am tuning in again......Forum has been pretty boring the las
32 ChrisH : If someone gets faster screening I wouldnt be bothered with it much as long as photos are of anet quality. But when staff gets photos in that anyone
33 Skymonster : Craig, I'm not going to bash you for raising this topic (in many respects you're right to bring this up), but what's your solution? Complaining is one
34 Sulman : Andy's right. The reality is, this is the way it works anywhere, in any line of business. These instances are still a relative minority though. If the
35 Fireguy274 : Who gives a flying F#$% if sames pictures get screened first...If Sam wants to be a screener who is more qualified? This descussion is a waste of time
36 Andrewmorrell : Let me chime in as to Sam's value as a screener. Whenever he screens any of my submissions, he *consistently* provides valuable feedback to me as a ph
37 Fireguy274 : I should probably edit my post next time.. it is discussion and Sam not sames and descussion...Anyway...Sam can screen my pics anytime and jump in fro
38 US333 : Can any of the crew actually respond to the question of why Sam has supposedly recieved preferential treatment in the screening process? I have read t
39 Mx330 : At first I also thought Sam might not have the enough time to screen now I see he does and that makes me happy! I really don't care if shots are scree
40 N178UA : US333 Let me assure you I do not ask for priority, and no favoritism is played during screening. My photos yesterday were added priority, which is a r
41 Dehowie : G'day I'd have to say that as a reward for screening i cannot see a problem with express upload for screeners only for their photo's. Screeners do wor
42 US333 : Thanks for the simple and straightforward response Sam. I now have some clarification of the situation. -Kyle
43 Post contains images Bronko : Craig, maybe this will help. Think of it as a screener courtesy reach around.
44 Post contains images Sydneybuses : Well done Darren. - that is the only reply to Craig's initial message that has 100% truth in it.
45 Post contains images Cathay112 : For those that ask for evidence, here is a screen print of Sam's queue stats on the day of the 12th October 2004 at 1312 local time. You will note tha
46 Post contains images Ckw : I'm not going to comment on whether Sam was favoured or not - and frankly I don't care. Perhaps a screener simply got bored looking at a batch of marg
47 N178UA : Craig, I already admitted 6 photos of mine have been screened priority, you've gone to such a strength to even save a screen shot to prove it!! Well D
48 Runway23 : Sam, Like you say Craig seems to be overly qualified to be the official a.net policeman. I can't help thinking that the time this has used up has only
49 Post contains links TZ : One way in which we can eliminate this problem is the forthcoming introduction of password-protected user stats. Eventually all of the data regarding
50 Cathay112 : If no-one watches, no-one ever knows. As has been stated above, by many people, the point to my thread is apparently a valid one. I've also had severa
51 Clickhappy : As for checking queue stats, gee whiz..... don't any of you get hungry for new photos??????? I sure do! If it's available, people are looking, why? Be
52 Aa61hvy : A point of veiw from someone outisde the aviation photog ring. I've been taking aviation pictures for over 10 years (since I was 9) I uploaded a few s
53 JeffM : "One way in which we can eliminate this problem is the forthcoming introduction of password-protected user stats." "It is not fair for individual's ph
54 TZ : The problem to which I refer is the problem of individual's personal upload information being the subject of public debate. Tamsin (a.net screening cr
55 N178UA : AA61hvy, I don't downplay this matter or playing innocence at all. I have taken full responsibility and first to admit the 6 photos were added priorit
56 Ckw : How is this fair to Bobby Photographer who has been waiting 3 days to get 1 pic screened? It's not. It depends how you look at it. Firstly, a dozen or
57 RG828 : Think of it as a screener courtesy reach around Some comic relief, thank goodness.
58 Skymonster : Those on high have spoken internally: favouritism amongst screeners and/or screeners buddies is strictly forbidden - not really a surprise, as I said
59 Mx330 : I am with you in that point Colin. A happy screener is a more productive screener And remember all.. screeners do their work for free… They are supp
60 Post contains images EGBB : Glad this is all now sorted and all the screeners are so much more the happier because of this posting and will I am sure spend even more time screeni
61 Staffan : Don't care if the screeners get their stuff through quicker than others, just as I don't care if the person behind the counter at McD gets food for fr
62 Kereru : Some interesting comments here. At first I thought I would comment soon after this thread started and then I thought no lets see what happens and what
63 Spencer : There's some really valid points made here, by a number of people. But to be fair, Craig did ask the big question of "why" it is happening. What metho
64 Post contains links Willo : Good observations Spencer and I fully agree, funnily enough the "30 limit" came up in site related a few days ago: http://www.airliners.net/discussion
65 N178UA : Spencer, several crew have already adressed Craig's why's happening question, please read previous reply. What you don't get the point is I don't get
66 Bigphilnyc : First, I'd like to give Craig credit for being consistant. I disagree with a lot that he says, but it takes guts to speak out on it, knowing how most
67 Gary2880 : 2 points/questions first off, this password thing about checking your photos, does that mean from now on all new photographers will have to pay the $3
68 TZ : Gary One of the few things which currently prevents our technical gurus from rolling out the password-protected upload statistics stuff is the fact th
69 BN747 : I've read every post on this thread and it's clear that Craig's target is Sam no matter how well disguised it is... and it's well wrapped in a complai
70 Vh-mdk : Didn't anyone read what Darren had written? I thought he raised a pretty valid issue on screeners allegedly getting preferential treatment. Micheil
71 Dehowie : Hi Micheil Not all screeners as that would be being unfair on the guys who are doing the right thing which is almost all of them. I'd have to say that
72 Staffan : "It took 61 replies before Craig got an answere to his question and of the previous 60,15 where from crew. Pretty indicative of the fact that when peo
73 Spencer : Sam, Sam, Sam!! Please mate, why don't you re-read my post!? I clearly stated that I wouldn't mention anyone's name and straight away you jump up and
74 Dehowie : Staffan Well the reason it should be made open and clear is at the moment from all information queue jumping is NOT permitted whether someone is a scr
75 Post contains images EGBB : Why is it that the only positive support for Craig and his postings are only from other photographers in Australia? Most strange - must just be a coin
76 Cathay112 : Derek, Frankly, I'm sick of your childish interjections into what I considered a serious topic and I don't think I am the only one. I have e-mails fro
77 Post contains images EGBB : Craig, Oh what a fun place you make this forum Many thanks for now attacking me all the Airteamimages photographers the Anet screeners - but I am sure
78 Timdegroot : What the hell has ATI got to do with this Craig?? Derek is speaking here on a personal note and not as ATI spokesman. Tim
79 Sulman : Craig, There's been a clarification from the powers that be that the practice you're complaining about is not to occur. This is good news, surely? As
80 Cathay112 : James, I could not agree more with you. Derek is speaking here on a personal note and not as ATI spokesman. Tim, when someone who runs a so called bus
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