Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4948 times:
Lets just clarify things a little - it is true that, for any given picture, the likelihood is that the picture will get more hits if it makes it onto the database just after Swedish midnight than it will if it goes on just before Swedish midnight. The reason for this is that each picture appears in the "Most popular of last 24/48 hours" view on the calendar day on which it is accepted, and the following day, based on Swedish time. It is clear therefore that a picture that makes it onto the database at 23:59 Swedish time will be in this view for 24 hours and one minute, whereas a picture that makes it onto the database at 00:01 Swedish time (two minutes later) will appear in that view for 47 hours and 59 minutes. As many site visitors appear to use this view to look at new uploads, it follows that pictures posted just after Swedish midnight are in view for almost twice as long as those posted just before Swedish midnight.
Of course, NOTHING will get an all-so-ran picture views - the most part of getting views is uploading a good original picture - a really GOOD picture will get viewed plenty anyway, and in my opinion this before/after midnight thing is just a crutch that some folks with marginal images try to cling to, to justify hit counts lower than they hoped for.
Now, to understand the screening process - It is of course a fact that a.net has screeners from Europe, the US, and Australia (at least). Swedish midnight is of course midnight across most of western Europe, its 23:00 in the UK, 18:00 on the US east coast, and 14:00 on the US west coast. It is something like 09:00 in eastern Australia. So, notwithstanding the fact that we don't fish specific people's pictures out of the queue, it is of course obvious that there is a vast conspricy going on - by habit the screeners in Europe mainly screen just before they go to bed, screeners in the eastern US screen just after they leave work, screeners on the west coast screen in the early afternoon, and screeners in Australia screen after they get up in the morning. And we do this, each group works at different times of the day, with the express intention of upsetting those few photographers who seem to think hits are everything by processing their pictures at the most inopportune time.
YEAH, RIGHT - NOT! In reality its a lottery as pictures are presented in a system determined order which screeners don't influence. Or, to put it another way - if anyone thinks that there's a conspiracy going on amongst the screeners, just to cheat a few photographers out of a few hits, then their energy would be better directed towards getting out more and spending more time taking really good pictures, than it is worrying about whether anyone here will see them.
Rotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1482 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4860 times:
I ve brought up that topic several times. I ve got never any support from anyone, I ve came up with solutions ! instead I was bashed by screeners, forummoderators and my kind friends, which I entitle plugmasters ..... , I only have to look into my emialbox - 80% of my last 75 uploads have been accepted 3 hrs or less before midnight!!! - BUT ITS ALL BADLUCK- YEAH, OF COURSE!!!
ps: and now , pls bash me again and yell at me .....
Mirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3120 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4849 times:
"...the most part of getting views is uploading a good original picture - a really GOOD picture will get viewed plenty anyway..."
I used to belive in this but it's obvious there are other factors: time of upload and number of uploaded photos. I have good original pictures uploaded 30 minutes before midnight in days when were uploaded +1500 photos, obviously my picture was dissolved and received a "low" number of views.
I'm not complaining, I'm not asking nothing, just telling facts and accepting the system, because this was brought up.
Willo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4838 times:
Skymonster you've shattered another illusion I had of a.net. I thought the screeners all got up at 00.00 Swedish time to pick the days best shots from the queue. I better add this to the conspiracy theory list of why my shots get added evening time GMT:
I only upload a couple of shots at a time so they get screened after the big batches.
I'm not a big name
My surname begins with "S", so I'm near the end
I only shoot GA/Helicopters and people aren't interested (and judging by my hit rate they're not!)
Seriously I couldn't give a stuff about what time they are added. Once the pictures are in the database they will sink or swim on their own merit.
Rotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1482 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4569 times:
at Tonimr: you are getting me wrong ....
why does A.net not just put up a kind of 12 accepting times to get rid of that discussion? say the last bunch gets accepted at 20:00 or 21:00 ? and then at 00:01 we put those in , which got accepted between 21:00 and 24:00 ?
btw: also once again: I DONT GIVE S____ ABOUT VIEWS, otherwise I would plug, load up only windowshots , cockpitshoots, etc, etc ... , I just want that everybody is treated equal. A.net came up with that 24-48 hrs , and all these static features, which I actually like, but there are not very exact - AND THIS IS MY POINT!
as soon you screeners read something like this, you allways think its against you -NO - it is not!
PS: I am out of here ... , wont take action in the forum for the next months ..., cheers
I never say I have good photos, I never write pretentious remarks of how good and sharp my photos are, I leave that always to the viewer to decide, but in this case I know this photo deserves more than 629 views.
Tonimr From Spain, joined Jan 2001, 325 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4502 times:
Robin, nothing against you but...
why does A.net not just put up a kind of 12 accepting times to get rid of that discussion?
Maybe because there are a lot of important things to do? Anyway, you can send your suggestion to the admins...
and all these static features (.....) but there are not very exact - AND THIS IS MY POINT!
Numbers should be taken as they are: number of views=xxxx, if you know the method how they've been calculated, they are exact. The problem arises when someone tries to measure the quality or interest of a photograph by these means...
As per the screeners attitude, the name of this topic is self explanatory.
There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4473 times:
Great shot Luis, certainly deserved my hit...now 630
I've learned that high hits doesn't always = good (spectacular) photo. For example, Sam's shot listed above by Vasco. There's nothing overly "great" about it photo-wise but it is very interesting to viewers, overviews tend generate large hits. No disrespect meant to Sam or the photo itself, I think you guys know what I mean.
Personally I don't pay much attention to hits. That's why you'll still see tons of plain old boring 50mm side on uploads from me, I personally find them more interesting. But that's me. Some people prefer to upload hit-generating photos only, that's cool also. If we all uploaded the same type of shots it would be pretty boring.
Now I just gotta find a way to get my uploads accepted at 1201am
Mirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3120 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4467 times:
I really don't care that much about views, if I did I would have "imploded" a long time ago. But I'm not blind, I visit this website every single day, I see the kind of photos that are listed on the most popular section, and I'm not a machine, I have my own behave.
P.S. thanks Mike and Spencer, I don't want claps in my back but appreciate it.
TZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 54 Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4297 times:
Ok, ok. We've been caught with our trousers-down. We do have what we screeners call "the list".
The list comes into play at 23:00 and 00:00 (Swedish time). Here's how it works - we can add names to the List and give them a positive or a negative points score. If the total points are negative, then the photographer gets their pictures screened at 23:00, positive points totals get their photos screened at 00:00. The higher the points score in either direction, the closer to exactly midnight the screening is done.
It's entirely up to screeners discretion who they put on the list and there is no voting or justification needed. It's really used where we feel we need to get "our own back" on photographers because we're quite an unhappy and uncharitable bunch behind the scenes.
We maintain the positive list solely for people who say nice things about us in the forums, irrespective of the quality of their photographs.
Oh, and we store the list safely in our black-helicopter parked up on the grassy knoll. Or did we film it all in hangar in the desert?
Tamsin (a.net screening crew)
[Edited 2004-10-25 22:34:21]
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