Fly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3133 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 4297 times:
I fall into that group, got my first SLR (a Yashica, can't remember the exact name, it had AF) in 1988. But you know me, I'm a boring person, so what story could I tell you? Well, at least I still shot 707s, DC-8s, Caravelles in pax service at my home airport with it... And because I was a student, I was cheap on film, and initially bought Agfa slide films, before upgrading to Fuji and Kodak (but never K64).
Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been...
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 4272 times:
Praktica MTL-3, Canon AE-1, Canon T-90, Canon EOS-650 (stolen), Canon EOS-5, Canon EOS-3, Canon D60... Kodachrome 64 from the early '80s, now mainly digi. The MTL-3 is still in service with a friend, and I still have the AE-1, EOS-3 and D60.
Trouble todays is that many newcomers don't really learn about photography. Cameras have advanced so much that almost everyone will have some success straight out of the box in the majority of circumstances. Whilst this may be seen as a good thing for photography in general in this instant gratification world, some aspects of modern photography are now being built on far less stable foundations than they were 20 or more years ago. And digital makes that worse, because many mistakes can be corrected in Photoshop, whereas film is much more unforgiving and forces the photographer to learn.
How many new photographers really, I mean REALLY, understand things like the relationship between shutter speed, aperture, "film" speed, exposure compensation, depth of field, etc.? The number of stopped props on flying turboprops we see demonstrates that some don't have a clue. And what about things like reciprocity failure - doesn't apply in the digital world, so its irrellevent, right up until someone who's never shot film tries to use it at night.
I believe that starting out with a camera like the MTL-3 made me more aware of what I was doing with a camera, even if it took somewhat longer to get things really right and even though in the early days I had many more failures than I might have done had I been starting today with a new camera. And whilst I now use a new-ish camera, I believe many of the lessons learned are still valid and useful.
AKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2534 posts, RR: 49 Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 4255 times:
Andy wrote: "How many new photographers really, I mean REALLY, understand things like the relationship between shutter speed, aperture, "film" speed, exposure compensation, depth of field, etc.? The number of stopped props on flying turboprops we see demonstrates that some don't have a clue. And what about things like reciprocity failure - doesn't apply in the digital world, so its irrellevent, right up until someone who's never shot film tries to use it at night.
IL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2236 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 4240 times:
Vasco, since you brought it up, don't you have some stories to tell?
I've been using SLRs since 1996, when I started photographing airplanes. This is also when I got more serious about photography, and I figured that the only way to make the airplane fit the frame fully, I needed a zoomlens which -I thought- only SLRs could have. I wanted sharp shots showing all the detail of the plane. I never looked at compact camera's, I knew that was not going to give me what I wanted, I went straight for a second hand Canon AE-1. I bought a zoom-lens (a Soligor, I didn't know anything yet about brands and 3-rd party lenses etc.) and a 28mm and 135mm. I read books about photography and experimented taking all sorts of pictures (not just airplanes) with a friend who also liked photography. I still have all of that gear and occasionally use it for B&W photography (playing with filters, etc).
The Soligor started acting up after a year or 2 and I invested (my hard earned saturday-job money) in a Canon EOS50. The autofocus and motor drive were the greatest perks coming with that one.
Then internet became available all over the place in 1998 (when I started uploading to A.net) and the scanning of my pictures became more and more difficult as the standards went up, but my scanner didn't. I bought a slide scanner in 1999 but the quality was so-so, so at some point I was looking at 95% rejection rate at Airliners.net. Also, the storage of slides and pictures was getting a bit too annoying, so I finally bought a EOS 10D in 2003. Digital is great! I love it. Little storage space needed, great quality and cheap.
And that's where I'm at today.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 4231 times:
When I bought my MTL-3 back in the late '70s, it cost £45. I thought that was a lot and nearly bought a £35 Zenith instead! When I think back to those days, the EOS-3 and D60 and several L-series lenses in my bag now, and my fairly relaxed attitude to acquiring a 20D in the not too distant future, I wonder what my fuss about buying the MTL-3 was all about. Much water has passed under the bridge in the intervening period and I admit that I am not better off relatively speaking than I was then, but I have at least come to realise that cheap usually isn't best in the long run, and that its better to wait and buy quality rather than jump in and buy the first thing I can afford (or maybe more accurately easily mentally justify!).
F4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 4208 times:
My first was SLR was a Pentax K-1000 in 1979. I liked it because it was totally manual. It finally wore out in 1993. The replacement only lasted seven years when it also stripped a gear. I replaced it with a ZXM that I bought the day before my month long trip to Gabon, Africa. I didn't have a chance to shoot a test roll of film to see that the camera was working properly. Fortunately, it did. The ZXM broke a cam two years later on a trip to Puerto Rico. I couldn't find another body but I did find an Olympus C700 on sale at an Office Max. I liked it and upgraded to the C750 in July 2003. I haven't shot a frame of slide film since. I do intend to get a DSLR but for now the Olympus is serving me well and is compact to fint into my flight bag.
Another SLR I used was the Nikon F-3. I worked for an aerial photography company from 1990 to 1992 that specialized in taking pictures of farms. The job involved flying around rural areas taking pictures of farms. I would send the film and my map into the company that would print proofs for a salesman to a pitch to the property owner. I liked the job since I was flying, photographing, seeing the country, and getting paid. It wasn't a princely sum but I could enjoy food with my meals.
Cottage Grove, MN
Seeking an honest week's pay for an honest day's work
Javibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1370 posts, RR: 44 Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 4204 times:
Though Andy has a point, the fact is that, if you really want to learn about photography, digital SLR's do give you the chance to shoot and shoot and shoot and try different settings without the need to think about your film and development expenses. For this reason I think I've learned more in 2 years shooting digital than in 10 years shooting slides.
"Be prepared to engage in constructive debate". Are YOU prepared?
Wietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 4194 times:
Allthough you are correct when you say that the direct review helps you understand what certain settings do, the incentive of doing it bang-on right the first time are a lot lower compared to when you are shooting analog.
I started with an SLR camera in 2001 and I upgraded to a DSLR in 2003. I am currently heavily using my "old" SLR again, because I am doing B&W class at my university. Printing and developing your own film is a lot of fun. Especially when you need to push and pull the prints, great stuff.
DustySlides From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 59 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 4187 times:
One aspect of SLR photography is the suspense you experience waiting for the slides to come back from the lab. Only then do you know for certain that
what you saw is what you got. The suspense was heightened by the worrisome possibility of camera failure, which I experienced twice in my early days of shooting with less expensive SLRs.
My first SLR, a Yashica purchased in late 1966, was literally worn out
in less than two years when the mechanism locked up during a holiday trip.
I replaced it with a Mamiya-Sekor and a year later lost several rolls from a road trip when the shutter became sticky resulting in a substantial portion of each frame not being exposed.
It was replaced with a Pentax which served me well until I went Nikon in the
mid-seventies. My final SLR shooting configuration was a pair of F3s which
were bullet proof and just kept on ticking.
Mygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 4186 times:
Started in photography in the early 90s with a Canon eos 1000FN. Then I got married and my wife (how odd things are..) gave me as a present a Hasselblad 501, medium format camera.
Then I've bought an Eos 3 and 10D.
I've nearly forgotten what was a no-digital photo since the 10D but I realized when coming back to slides (no for airplanes where I use mainly digital) how a toy is the 10D compared to the Eos 3.
My next investments will go definitely to medium format...
Joge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1442 posts, RR: 41 Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 4179 times:
Well I still haven't seen cross-processed pictures from a digital camera. Also, there are still situations where digital cameras just can't be used and that's when taking pictures on an infrared or enhanced red sensitivity film.
Anyway, my story starts from the time I was about 10 years old and I had my Agfamatic 50. 1996 I got some crappy compact camera, but hey, I even have pics taken with that camera uploaded to this site.
1998 I went for an Olympus SLR and since then I've been changing my equipment frequently just to try out different brands, lenses... To get the experience and knowledge over cameras.
Many people uploading their pics to this site are happy just to get their pics accepted. For that, digital is ok. For those who need a camera only to spot planes, digital is ok. But for myself, a person who is not only taking pics of planes and wants to have the experience over different ways of photography, should not go for digital. I must say I still haven't tried developing my own films/pictures. Well, maybe that's the next step to come.
Vzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 827 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 4167 times:
Not sure how much of a story this is, but I first used a borrowed SLR in 1978 (and don't even remember what kind it was!), then got an used F-1 in 1979 and an A-1 in 1984. They're still what I use today. I think I've always approached aviation photography more from the aviation rather than the photography side. That is, the interest in planes has always been the reason for doing it. I've certainly accumulated some knowledge of photography along the way but, probably to my own loss, I've never been an "active student of photography".
"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 659 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
What Andy says ... actually I think we have a pretty similar time frame and equipment path.
On the "learning side", I do believe there's much to be said for learning the hard way. I don't dismiss the benefits of the costless and instant review DSLR, but this does promote a trial and error approach to photography. Yes, you may get the shot you want, but do you know how you got it ... and can you replicate it?
One of my personal points of pride is being able to take on any subject - drop me into a new situation, difficult lighting etc., and I will get a useful image - I think this can only come from understanding how photography "works". Of course this doesn't mean you'll get great pics - you also need an eye for that - but its good to know how to get the shot once you've visualised what you want.
OD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1923 posts, RR: 34 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
As a kid, my parents bought me a cheap camera since I had expressed many times an interest in photography. Soon I found out that I was unable to control it to my needs and when I played around with my cousin's Pentax, I fell in love with SLRs. I wanted to buy one but I had no money. I saved my pennies and bought a Zenith in 1982 or 1983 since it was the cheapest SLR available.
I loved it and learnt a great deal about photography until it broke. I went for Chinon CG-5 in 1988 and to be honest, it still is the best camera I have ever owned. Still works fine and makes great photos. That was the year I started doing B&W, had a dark room and experimented with slides.
Now I own a 300D, I'm quite happy with it. Probably knowing the basics of photography has helped my smooth transition to DSLR. Never took photography way too seriously but wanted to keep up and make good pictures. Time moves on, I'm shooting mostly digital but still enjoy film a lot.
Dendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1630 posts, RR: 63 Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 4155 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD SCREENER
New to the Forums so I'll use this as a bit of an introduction too.
Sound like a load of kids to me (which means that I am going to sound like Grandad to you.)
I was born in 1953 which by my reckoning makes me 32. I have never been very good at maths when it suits me
I started as a spotter in 1967 but had been a photographer for a few years by then, being taught by my Father from the age of about 10. I understand processing colour and black and white, shutter speeds, apertures, film speeds, focal lengths, depth of field, composition, decomposition etc. This bloody digital nonsense might catch on but I do however struggle with that at the moment. The cameras feel similar, but where does the damned film go ?There is an old English saying that it is difficult to teach an old dog new tricks. This must be true as my dog fails to respond at all to my digital photographs, rather like the screeners. I must be driving them mad at the moment whilst trying to learn (sorry, but I will get there).
I have never been an equipment junkie though today that seems more important. I started with roll film cameras photographing Viscounts and Dakotas at East Midlands Airport UK. What negatives I have found I have been unable to scan so far as they are too big for my slide scanner and too small for my flatbed. Once I have found a way though, boy will you see some aircraft !
I moved to a Zenit B which was like carrying a house brick around your neck. After two weeks and having to walk a short distance with it I developed a stoop which makes me look a little (only a little) older than my 32 years. It had to go and it only lasted a couple of weeks before I moved onto another Eastern block camera, a Praktica Nova and a 3x converter on a standard lens (yuk). I then moved to a Pentax Spotmatic F, the best camera I ever had apart from the screw lenses. In 1977, just before a trip to the States I bought the first Canon AE1 to arrive in Nottingham and I still use that. I went over to Digital with a Canon 300d in August but have changed that for a 10d.
I am currently a Cop but have been ill since February when I discovered a.net. I will be retiring from the Police in the near future. People have wondered how I got a lot of the shots I managed - being a Cop rarely failed to get me onto the ramps.
Once retired, who knows ?
I have a couple of thousand black and white shots still to upload as well as a lot of slides. Large numbers have deteriorated quite badly as they were dumped into a garden shed by my darling ex-wife. When I look at my early submisisons I am surprised that any got on. I am learning though and re-uploading a lot. One embarrasing, very recent discovery was the use of levels rather than the brightness and contrast controls.
There have been complaints about my black and white images. The reason is that colour was expensive then. I too wish I had taken colour, but then I would not have been able to travel. Sometimes the aircraft is more important than the quality of the photograph - and just look at some of mine !
I have a story to tell, but it will be seen in the future in a magazine who have accepted it. They are paying me so that I can afford more film.
Naaaahhh, think not !
I have been raised as a photographer and even earlier this year I would have said that there was a place for film and digital. I now believe that film is, if not yet dead, dying.
The other love of my life, besides the dog, wife, kids etc is poison dart frogs, Dendrobatids, (no particular order unless my wife is watching) and I have yet to photograph them on digital. If you are interested (or bored) enough to look, you will find quite a few photos of them around and about on the Internet.
As soon as is reasonable after the publication of the story in the Magazine I will post the story of aircraft-spotting hippy to aircraft-spotting cop for all to see on airliners.net
Mick Bajcar 1172 acceptances and rising......slowly now
Mfz From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 257 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 4113 times:
Guess I also fit in here... I started photography with my Dad's Olympus OM-1 (all manual, no AF, no aperture-preselect, no time-preselect, no nothing...) in the late 1980ies. Still love this camera for being sooo incredibely light and small but still producing excellent photos. The lenses at this time were an Olympus 50mm f/1.4, an Olympus 28mm f/2.8 and an Olympus 135mm f/2.8. Another good thing was that with having to set the camera manually all the time I really learned something about depth of field, the effect of different aperture settings etc. With all-automatic cameras (even with SLRs) you have to want to learn this stuff because if you don't put effort in it the camera just takes care of you. You will mostly still get decent results but never use the full capabilities of a SLR.
Well, in 1996 I felt the need for zoom-lenses (plus I wanted my "own" camera... ), so I bought a Canon EOS 500 with the Canon EF 35-80 f/3.5-4.5 and the 75-300 II f/4-5.6. In August 2003 I had to replace the 500D-body (shutter was broken) with a EOS 33, and in November 2003 I added the EOS 300D for the digital side. Over the years a few lenses came and fewer went, so right now my photobag if completely packed with all the good stuff weighs about 6 kilograms!
Extra Bavariam non est vita et si est non est ita! --- My flights: http://my.flightmemory.com/mfz
Manzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 36 Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
Hmmm.... borrowed a mate's Nikon F-401s in '93 and ended up buying it off him eventually so this could qualify me too.... I feel so old!
My original camera work was shot on the old 110 format followed by a 35mm compact. How many shots of Concorde and the Red Arrows have I got from Farnborough where the aircraft are but mere specks on the 6x4 print!!
The F-401s was my first 'proper' camera but sadly time and money meant that I never did get the hang of the damned thing.... secretly I still believe the auto-exposure was crapped out from a couple of inopportune drops but thats probably just me making excuses for dreadul shots.
For the past few years my interest in aviation photography has been rekindled since working for Rolls-Royce. Myself and Phil Cooke must have spent a small fortune on high quality print and slide films since 1999 trying to replicate the shots of our peers here on A-Net with little success.
In 2003 I got the opportunity to borrow my brother's Fuji S602 for a round the world trip and on the way I was blown away by the ease and immediacy of the results. No longer did I have to wait for the wretchedly slow slide developers to send me back a box of crapped out shots! I could take the shot, look at it, think about what was wrong with it and take another with corrections. Comparing the two with the histogram on revealed so much!!!
Well, after that there was simply no going back! I looked around for a cost effective way of breaking into digital straight after I got back... well whilst I was on holiday actually but don't tell the wife! I tried my damndest to stick with Nikon but all that was available at the time was the D100 which was out of my reach. That and the good comments I'd heard about the Canon system led me eventually to the EOS D30. The Nikon kit now found a new set of homes via good old ebay and a mint condition D30 winged its way to me from Mifsuds on the south coast.
One year on and I'm ready to move on again. The D30 is up for grabs (here if anyone's interested!) and a brand spanking new 10D is scheduled to arrive tommorow morning.
It's been a blast!
Flightlineimages DOT Com Photographer & Web Editor. RR Turbines Specialist
Tin67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 268 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 4044 times:
I started taking shots at Heathrow when I was about 10 in the mid 70s. My Dad was a redcap for BEA/British Airways and some friends and I used to go to work with him and head up to the Queens Building and Car Park 1a.
I started off with a nasty 110 camera, but when I took photography at school I got my first SLR, a Canon AE1 Program around 1981. Later I moved to my first EOS a 1000f, then EOS 100, EOS IX7 (bad move), EOS 30, EOS 10D and now my pride and joy EOS 1D MkII.
I still have some of the photos of the early days from the old Vivitar 110. They are appalling quality and have stuff like Tridents, VC-10s, 707s and Tristars.
AirNikon From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 38 Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
Grandfather started shoving a camera in my hand when I was five or six, an Argus C3 which I still have. That was the beginning of the end!
First 35mm camera, Petri Color 35 Rangefinder.
Used high school's Pentax Spotmatic, Canon Pellex, and Minolta SRT-101.
First 35mm SLR, Petri FT2.
First Nikon, Photomic FTn with 50mm f/2.0 .
Sequentially replaced/accompanied by Nikon F2, F2Sb, FM, FM2, EL2, F3, and Nikkormat FT3.
First AF experience, borrowed Nikon N2020. Bought F4s shortly thereafter.
Nikon N90s convinced me that that it was much faster than F4.
Still shooting film, Nikon N50, F5, N80, and 35Ti [$1000 paperweight].
Abandoned K25/K64 in early 90s for Fuji Provia.
After a boatload of $1000 digcams, it was time for the D100. Abandoned film altogether
D70 replaced CP5700 due to too many missed shots.
I haven't missed a shot since. As far as the older cameras mentioned above, I still have most of them but they are unpowered in Mojave-like storage upstairs, and downstairs, and over here, and over there...
Don't get married, don't have kids, and you will have more money than you know what to do with...
Sulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2032 posts, RR: 34 Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 4021 times:
I've still got my Dad's Nikkormat FTn, also with the 50mm F2.0. I also bought a Tokina 24mm F2.8, and a Vivitar 150mm F3.8 for it.
I actually found it easier to learn than my 300D, as it's so straightforward. The exposure meter is dead easy to use, and - as far as my prints go - seems pretty accurate. It's a really fun camera to take pictures with, and I miss the little bars in the viewfinder that help with levelling.
It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
Woody001 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 529 posts, RR: 23 Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 4002 times:
I started taking photos as a kid, I had a 110 camera and spent most of my pocket money buying film for it.
A few years later my dad told me of a friend selling a Chinon 35mm camera, this is where I learnt most of the hard standing.
I went to a few airshows, used to get free access to Farnborough as I worked for RAE back then but wasn't seriously into aviation photography.
I then got persuaded by Rich Lynn to buy a better camera, so I treated myself to an EOS300, I then had a better tool to go experimenting with. My dad used to have an interest in photography so I read most of his books on the subject.
I remember going out to Duxford with Rich and Chris Muir and us asking each other what settings we had dialled in, great times. This I believe stood me well for the aviation photography I so love, me Rich and Chris then started to go out to more and more shows, each one of us learning off of one another. There is nothing better than learning from people who are open and honest about techniques.
More years past and I decided I would take the plunge into the DSLR market, spurred on by a work job which involved photographing a tornado at close quarters. I probably learnt more with this one camera than any other. More and more shows past and I purchased better lenses when I could afford to.
Last year I had the opportunity to purchase a 1D Markii I'd spoken to Colin Work at Farnborough a few month before and he sorted my mind out!
I've not looked back since really, I've done a few more shoots for my work and travelled around. Unfortunately this is hard at times as I suffer from a bowel disease which sadly stops me in my path to visit different airports.
[Edited 2004-11-07 21:58:09]
If I could just get the afterburner working...
25 Aviopic: Yeeh, you made me digging my memory. Started when i was something like 10 or 11 with a Olympus om10 borrowed from my brother to shoot my favorite spor
26 Sulman: Wow! Was that with Shadow? Any more 70's F1 stuff? Cheers James
27 Aviopic: Yes....loads hehe From my eleventh till the age of 18 i never missed a GP. It was with the Shadow yes, DN6 in the flame livery if my memory is correct
28 TZ: Hey, both the legendary AirNikon and I started out with Pentax Spotmatics. Fabulous camera, with the standard (inexpensive) Pentax optics really very
29 Sukhoi: Mick Bajcar, glad to see you made it to the forums! I enjoy everyone of your uploads certainly take me back. Avopic great shots of proper F1 cars, I r
30 Aviopic: Grumpy ? no one ever told me that, old yes... on a daily basis but grumpy no. What would be the required age for the "old men" forum ? hehe i will pro
31 RG828: Great stories, all of you. Like most, I started shooting with my family's Canon AE-1 Program when I was around 10 or so in the early 80s, but hardly
32 AndersNilsson: In 1984 I borrowed my father's Canon AV-1 and A-1. In 1988 I bought my own Canon A-1. In 1989 I changed to autofocus with a Canon EOS 600. In 1991 I t
33 KC7MMI: Ok, so I don't have 10 yrs of solid SLR experience but my father bought a Nikon N8008 back in the early 90's. I didn't play with it much back then (I
34 Dendrobatid: Thanks for the comments Sukhoi... A.net has helped me through a very difficult year and it has been good to know that others have appreciated the old
35 Sulman: Who on earth complained about the black and white images? That is absolutely disgusting. I can't emphasise enough to people that have these large coll
36 Gerardo: My first steps on photography were with a Canon EOS RT. Having so much camera, I wanted to get the best out of it, bought many photography books and e
37 Woody001: Mick, You inject some much needed humour into the forum I'd like to second the others comments, I have really enjoyed viewing your photos, especially
38 Dendrobatid: Thanks for the comments about my photos. The Lightnings and the Vulcans should be seen in the air where they belong. How can any of us get near to con
39 Skymonster: Mick, As a fellow Nottingham-ite and East Midlands lurker, long term photographer (as detailed above), and I suspect soon a member of the a.net grumpy
40 Dendrobatid: Andy I think we're due to meet early next year, if not before anyway aren't we? The a.net grumpy old men club is growing apace..... Your approval for
41 SmithAir747: I've been into photography since I was a freshman in high school, when I got my first camera for Christmas. My photographic specialties: Airliners and
42 Patroni: Well, having just turned 34 I fear I am still too young fopr the "grumpy old men" but still I like b&w photographs from old aircraft! During the 1980s
43 Dendrobatid: Patroni, LuX used to be one of the friendliest airports imaginable with access to the ramps in the early 1970s simply by asking. I photographed every
44 Ckw: SmithAir - I wouldn't presume to advise you as to whether to go film or digital, however, if film is your choice, I would caution you against the Dixo
45 SmithAir747: Response to Ckw: I just sent you an email in response to your last post here (about your Nikon N65 outfit). I don't mind using Nikon at all--in fact,
46 GPHOTO: SmithAir747, A few little bits about the Z3, which I have learned from using it and which I'd like to share with you before you take the plunge: Plus