If I were a screener I myself think that there may be problems with this one due to the cropping. I recognise that this is a very frequently photographed aircraft, and for this reason alone new photos accepted will have to be 'different' or exceptional in some way. According to my own view, I think I have scored points on the 'different' criterion - I do like the contrast between the bright red elevators and the blue colour scheme. However, I am not happy with the cropping, but this is the best I think I can do given what I have with the original (there is not that much more of the original outside this crop).
I am frustrated with myself for not having zoomed out a bit more at the time, but it is as it is. Basically I am worried that the lack of a complete nacelle on the left, together with only half the undercarriage in view, will cause this to be rejected. Though the elevators are 'balanced' in the photo, I am also concerned that the relative lack of balance in other areas - i.e. space to the right of the engine on the right, but the left being cut off - would be a fatal flaw.
I would value comments to help my education, as I am not keen to waste screener's time, or increase my already healthy ratio of rejections.
Although I cannot argue with a rejection I am still interested to hear whether anyone can think of a way this photo could be cropped differently, and potentially saved. Or is the lesson that if certain elements of a photo are cropped/not complete then it will always fall foul of the screening process, whatever else is happening in the photo?
P.S. As previously, no sour grapes here - just looking for further clarification.
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3010 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3191 times:
Thanks Fellas. Unfortunately the original does not have the complete gear, though what you see is cropped slightly. Basically I have to admit I messed up with this. It was one of those situations where I had about a second and I was so focused on catching the elevators and not messing that part of the photo up that I forgot to think about the gear (and the other engine nacelle). Good learning experience though. However, I wish I was as optimistic as Martin in his earlier response about their being another similar opportunity - this happening near the holding point, in good light (at Manchester) and me being there at the same time - I'm not so sure!
But I do like Luis' latest offering. They definitely look more balanced. The original is 3072 x 2048, so that second close in crop would be viable - if the lack of complete gear would not still negate the chances of acceptance.
Any other (screeners') views on that? And thanks to Luis for taking the time to mess with the image.
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3010 posts, RR: 59 Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3096 times:
Firstly, thanks to all for your helpful comments so far. I have a couple of things to add:
I am still keen to salvage something from this image if at all possible - especially as, with the weather like it is today, it is almost impossible to imagine Manchester in the sunshine again! But this kind of debate is also helping my general education on these matters. I have recropped the original image - close in, rather similar to Luis' 2nd cropping suggestion, but losing all the gear. Unfortunately I cannot work out how to post that image with this thread without making a new link to a resubmission (or a link to some other web space) - so how did you do that Luis? I want to get further feedback here before uploading another image likely to be rejected.
Also, when I look at my new cropped image, even though it still shows off the bright red elevators nicely (and the contrast with the blue of the fuselage is basically the motive for this shot), I become concerned that it resembles too closely another image that I already have on the database (see below).
However, this photo is of G-WWBB, whereas the crop we are referring to is another airframe, G-WWBM. Therefore I would also be grateful for your comments as to whether the obvious similarity between the 2 images would mean that it would be likely to be the cause of a rejection, irrespective of whether the screener thought the new cropping was acceptable. Or, as they are different airframes, does any similarity becomes irrelevant. Or, finally, should I just give up and put it down to experience?
I would still value any comments, especially relating to the similarity with the other BMI 330 photo, prior to this image getting to the front of the queue. If I am refusing to accept defeat and can't see that do let me know. My rejection rate is improving, but too 'healthy' for my liking, and so I am keen to avoid another one if it is obvious to others.