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Urgent - Pic Stolen By Major Airline - Need Advice  
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Hello all,

It seems a major airline has stolen one of my a.net pics to illustrate their website. I won't name the airline or plug the pic as I don't want them pulling it off too fast.
Photographers that have been in the same situation, please advise.

Many thanks,

Will

Special  Big thumbs up to 707cmf for watching my back.


Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

The received wisdom Will is that you take a screen grab of the offending page and along with a copy of your image you send them an invoice for the usage.

Best of luck mate. BA ripped off one of my photos and have simply taken to ignoring me.  Sad

Rez
 Sad



Flightlineimages DOT Com Photographer & Web Editor. RR Turbines Specialist
User currently offline707cMf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Special to 707cmf for watching my back.

You're welcome. It was quite random, but I was checking that airline website (schedules et al) when I saw a picture that seemed familiar. A positive ID was easy since the pic is also on A.net (prepare to see it plugged here  Laugh out loud)

So I call the UTA guy, and here it goes :

"Hey, have you ever checked out **** website ?
- Nah, don't have the time for it
- Well, go there now
- okay, now what
- click to that **** link
- okay, now wh... HOLY CRAP"

Priceless  Big thumbs up

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3559 times:

Send them invoice for large amount. Politely mention that you will proceed with legal action if not paid.

User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3523 times:

Update - the same pic is being used on 5 different pages.
How does that affect things ?

Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3502 times:

Instead of asking for 200$, you ask for 1000, easy!  Laugh out loud

Sebastian



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
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Best of luck William - should be good for £10 or £25. If they even enter into dialog about it at all!

Tamsin (a.net screening crew)



TZ Aviation - Aeropuerto de los Banditos Team Images
User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

OK, so post the URL for the site...
What better plug for your picture???


User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Miamiair:

I won't name the airline or plug the pic as I don't want them pulling it off too fast.



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Aw man, this could be good. Ask for a large amount. Good luck bud!!


Go big or go home
User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

A fellow photographer and good friend of mine was in a similar situation some time ago, when an aircraft manufacture took his image illegally.
He first contacted his lawyer and told him the whole story... The lawyer sent a letter to the company and told them that they will proceed legal action if they do not want to pay, the company apologized and paid quite a nice sum!

Maybe you should contact your lawyer, too... Might look more "serious" than from yourself if the airline gets it from a law firm  Insane

Good luck!

Florian



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineUnited4EverDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Why is it such a big deal? I would be honored to have a pic of mine on an airlines' website. I would let them have it for free too. It would be rediculous to pursue this unless you absolutly need the money or av photography is more than just a hobby for you.

User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

would say its the principle of the thing, clearly has a copyright banner at the bottem of our photos, wouldnt be too honored by a companey that goes around knicking peoples stuff

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5494 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Why is it such a big deal? Because they are stealing a copyrighted image without permission. Letting them have it for free is a big mistake and hurts us all in the end. It is a hobby for me, but it is nice to be rewarded every once in awhile.

Justin


User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Similar situation happened to me last year

The received wisdom Will is that you take a screen grab of the offending page and along with a copy of your image you send them an invoice for the usage..

Yup, exactly as above: send them a print of your shot with the airliner.net copyright banner and quote the URL on your letter with an invoice too.
(Real paper in their hand works better than e-mails, honestly)

I wouldn't go in too heavy at first, that will spook them.
Whoever did it, they will also have a boss. That's who you are aiming for.
My situation took a few weeks to resolve. Once settled (amicably) other
'official' purchases followed.

Take it easy

Gerry


User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

United4EverDEN - Congratulation on what is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Your prize is in the mail.

It's a big deal because it is quite simply illegal. An operational company that has a budget for such things instead decides to STEAL (and that is exactly what it is) an image which belongs to an individual. It's like selling a photo for free. Companies will send an email to 10 photographers with a similar image of a plane just waiting for an IDIOT to bite and offer the photo for free. The money is there.



Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Why is it such a big deal? I would be honored to have a pic of mine on an airlines' website. I would let them have it for free too. It would be rediculous to pursue this unless you absolutly need the money or av photography is more than just a hobby for you.

What about that offer you had for F9 that was something in the order of 500 bucks?


User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1754 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

it is a big deal because all of the people that are content with giving away their images for free are kinda helping to ruin it for others who do stand the chance to make some money and even make their living as an aviation photographer...i'm not saying that i do that for a living but there are others here that do...also not to mention all that was said about it being illegal...but hey if you're ok with someone stealing your property that's your own deal

jd



"my soul is in the sky" - shakespeare
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

If you don't like them displaying your picture, then just ask them to remove it... If you choose to file a lawsuit against them this is probably the most you would get them to do unless they chose to settle out of court. In the US all intellectual property is copyrighted the moment the work is created, however you can't file a lawsuit for copyright infringement unless you have physically registered your work with the copyright office. Again, this may be different in your country, but the US Copyright office recognizes Ireland copyrights so I assume it is similar. You couldn't even sue them to repay your legal fees.

For my personal feeling... like the other poster said, I would be honored if an airline used my photograph on their website. I would be perfectly happy with them recognizing me as the photographer... This would be a much greater reward than a couple hundred bucks.

I'm not singleing you out, but it seems like all of these amateur photographers are trying to get paid everytime someone uses their photograph. Unless you are a professional, just have fun with the hobby.

Let the flames begin  Smile


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

"For my personal feeling... like the other poster said, I would be honored if an airline used my photograph on their website. I would be perfectly happy with them recognizing me as the photographer... This would be a much greater reward than a couple hundred bucks."

Well, I'm sure the same airline would feel as honored to fly you around for free.

Staffan


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

With some of these posts about "hey, what's the problem, it's cool to have my pic on their site for free" it's no wonder why we never receive replies to licensing quotes from people interested in usage. That's all I'm gonna say...

Mike


User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Ok people, here is what I sent out :
Dear Sir/Madam,

It has come to my attention that one of my pictures hosted on www.airliners.net (ID XXXXXX) has been used on 5 different pages of your website without a license.

The following pages are :

http://www.XXX.com/1
http://www.XXX.com/2
http://www.XXX.com/3
http://www.XXX.com/4
http://www.XXX.com/5

I am honored that you have chosen one of my pictures to illustrate your operations, however photo licensing usage comes with a license and a fee.
Therefore I will be following up this correspondance with an invoice and a licensing agreement.

I am sure this is a misunderstanding from your part and no malice was intended.
Do not hesitate to contact me should you have any further questions.

Best regards,

William Ronciere


Wish me luck Big grin

Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineAagold From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 546 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2947 times:
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I have to agree with Mike. All who are so anxious to give away their work for free ruin it for everyone, themselves included. One day they will grow up and realize that this hobby/passion, whatever, costs them big bucks and that they deserve a reasonable return on their investment. Maybe I should go to Nikon and ask for a free lens because I want to give away my photos for free. You know what the response to that would be.

Do you think whoever steals your image charges their customer less because they ripped off your image? I doubt it. They proably charge for the photo and put it in their pocket rather than acknowledging the photographer who did the work. Let's face it, they are thieves to begin with. If they weren't your pictures wouldn't appear in unauthorized places. Everyone deserves fair compensation for their work and, at a minimum, at least a request for usage before the image is used.

Art


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Someone's up late?

Yeah Ima have to agree with Art. When people approach me for one print of a picture of their aircraft that's one thing, I don't charge any extra than what it actually costs to make the print, but when it comes to website/brochure/magazine usage where someone will be making money off of my photo, you can bet that I want a piece of the pie.


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Good Luck Will  Big thumbs up

Keep us posted on any news.

Ryan! maybe you should go work for that airline for free  Wink/being sarcastic

These airlines have massive budgets and for them to rip off a photo is theft. If you robed something of theirs it would be quite a different story.

Good point Staffan  Big thumbs up

Fergul Big grin



Zambian Airways, Where the Eagles fly free!!
25 Post contains images Ckw : I'm not singleing you out, but it seems like all of these amateur photographers are trying to get paid everytime someone uses their photograph. Unless
26 Post contains images Jamotcx : Well said Colin, now I just need someone to want to buy my dodgy pics hehe Hope u get the money ur after Will! You might be able to recoup some of the
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