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User currently offlineAdministrator From Sweden, joined May 1999, 3251 posts.
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
SITE ADMIN

As you know, the view counter on your photos are only counting distinct views, one from each IP address. Naturally, there's always going to be ways around this but misuse has not been a major problem in the past. Our logs of IP addresses, referrers etc show that it does happen but rarely and we normally just remove such views and disable counting of views from that IP in the future.

A recent detailed revision of the view logs have showed a few cases of photographers trying to increase their view count by using scripts and dynamic IP addresses to artificially increase their views and thereby getting a higher standing on top lists and similar on Airliners.net. Such findings have now forced us to add a new and strict rule:

A photographer caught with artificially increasing the view counter of his photos will risk having all his photos removed from our database. We take this issue very seriously and will not hesitate to take action when we find proof of this behavior in our logs.

This new rule is active as of right now. Any photographers that are currently using any method to artificially increase your view count should stop immediately or risk having your photos removed.

Note that normal use, such as viewing your own photos is not prohibited at all - only excessive use.

Sincerely,
Johan Lundgren


Working on the site from morning 'till night that's livin' alright (1997-2007)
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User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

well, I defenetely know one photographer who does this .... , I reecntly sent this guy an email asking how come that every photo of him has such a high view ..... , even normal easyjet takeoff hit nearly 1000 views .... , he answered : well cause people like my photos .....

well done A.NET !!!! KICK THOSE A... OUT OF THE DB!!!!!

Robin



ABC
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Nice work Johan, it is nice to see that months of discussion there has been a firm policy put in place. It is pathetic that a few photographers are so desperate for attention that they feel the need to cheat, not only themselves but others as well.

User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi all,

Good work Johan, hunt the guilty down and punish them, that stinks and also shows how sad some people are that they would do such a thing.

Cheers

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think one of them has already gone.


Cheers


James



It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineEmbraer145 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Absolutely Great News.

Now we see which pictures are really atracting a lot of people. As mentioned earlier 1000+ hits for a departing easyJet or KLM B737 is strange.

Hopefully we get a clean number of counts now.

In my opinion all the plugging of pictures must be forbidden. Let the visitors decide what pictures are popular. Not somebody with a lot of spare time  Wink/being sarcastic

Cheers
Aart



DAI - Dutch Aviation Images.
User currently offlineVir380 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

James , you may be right you may be wrong  Wink/being sarcastic

but still .... i personally cannot see why its so essential for people to fake this facility , cant we just aim for having the "shot" thats deserves it purley on merit  Smile


regards Tony



User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In my opinion all the plugging of pictures must be forbidden. Let the visitors decide what pictures are popular. Not somebody with a lot of spare time

rhaa, that would be the end of life as we know it in Elbonia, if plugging was forbidden !!!

Cheers,

707, formerly guilty of imfamous plugging  Innocent

Edit : typo

[Edited 2005-01-27 17:32:22]

User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I can't agree more, why would someone bother going to all that trouble to generate a few hundred hits for themselves? What do they gain apart for generating a whole lot of work for the site admin. Get rid of them and let people know who they are so they can't repeat their acts.

Jid.




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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

That sounds only fair to me. But I suppose the plugs in the forums are still allowed?  Big grin

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It may be a good idea to handle it the way pbase does, which is to hide the hits from public view, so only the account owner has that information.

There is still a 'popular' section but you don't see any numbers.


Of course such a system would still be open to exploitation but at least it takes the emphasis away from pure hit-counts.


James

[Edited 2005-01-27 17:33:10]


It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

I can't agree more, why would someone bother going to all that trouble to generate a few hundred hits for themselves

Well, its all about their ego, and we aren't talking a few hundred hits...we are talking about several hundred thousand, if not a million.




[Edited 2005-01-27 17:39:18]

User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Call me naive but I am a little shocked that people would resort to such tactics. Well done Johan, this action is definitely appreciated by this photographer!

Cheers,
Kaz



t.dot photography
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I'm just happy to see one of my myaviation.net photos almost reach 50 views.  Big grin

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well, its all about their ego, and we aren't talking a few hundred hits...we are talking about several hundred thousand, if not a million.

Wow! It sounds like some people have a few problems!!! I wonder if they think it's not noticeable when they jump 10,000 hits???

Tim



Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Fake hits! Wow, why didn't I think of that?
 Nuts

/JM



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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Fake hits! Wow, why didn't I think of that?

Because your images get lots of hits without plugging or cheating?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
The world is baaaad  Insane

Florian

[Edited 2005-01-27 19:12:18]


Jet Visuals
User currently offlineKC7MMI From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Wow, some photographers have a lot of time on their hands...those bastards!  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2488 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

way to go A.net, as you can see at my views i never fake it , lol

User currently offlineKalim From Poland, joined Jan 2005, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

so if i have my favourite picture as a homepage i should change that for another site??

User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Now when I have a picture that I like that I have uploaded I will normally leave it in its own window for the first say 4-6hours so that periodically I can re-upload the page to see the count. Now when I re-upload the page it won't count my view which I don't care about b/c I'm not really about views but does that create an issue on your end in terms of unfair hits?

Thanks again and if I need not to do this please let me know.

Thanks again  Wink/being sarcastic

Ua777222



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

dude, your post doesn't make any sense.

"so that periodically I can re-upload the page to see the count"

"I don't care about b/c I'm not really about views"

LOL, which is it?

And no, it isn't a violation of the rules, you can view your own pictures as often as you want, lol.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It is unique views, so if you just keep reloading it won't effect the view count.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I look at them just to see if anyone is interested in my photos but I'm not all hardcore and willing to cheat for numbers. For me if they look at it they look at it if they don't they don't. Getting into a.net alone is good enough for me.

Sorry for confusing you.

Thanks again.

Ua777222



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Good thing with which i can only agree.
Although a "clean" count can only be reached when all images are accepted at the same time.
One in the 24/48hour list for 47 and another for 25 is just as much cheating and i am quite sure this is happening a lot more then the ip-cheats.

Forgot something !
Does this mean i have to tell my colleagues not to click my images anymore ?
At work we all go by one server with one ip-address so when i have new work on you might see 50 to 80 clicks which is not done by me !
I can assure you my boss won't like to see me on the internet all day, not even for an hour.

Willem


[Edited 2005-01-27 22:35:12]


The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
25 Clickhappy : Willem, How is it cheating? Every user has the chance for their photos to be added at any given time, it is completely random.
26 Sulman : Willem, If only one IP is seen by a.net, I think it would only count as one hit. Even so, I don't think the problem is manifest in someone gaining a c
27 Aviopic : Please don't understand me wrong Clickhappy. I've no problems with the system as it is but if someone wants a more "clean" count then lets make the co
28 Erwin972 : Willem said: Although a "clean" count can only be reached when all images are accepted at the same time. Very true Willem. Other solution to this is
29 Aviopic : If only one IP is seen by a.net, I think it would only count as one hit. Even so, I don't think the problem is manifest in someone gaining a couple of
30 Staffan : I'd assume a cookie is placed on the machine to determine if it's a unique visitor or a returning one. Staffan
31 Post contains images Mikephotos : I've been hitting refresh 1,000's of times after viewing my pics to get those hits up...but darn, it never works. Will stop shooting pics for the next
32 Newark777 : I'd assume a cookie is placed on the machine to determine if it's a unique visitor or a returning one. That would be too easy to cheat with. You just
33 Post contains images Rg828 : I'm quite surprised about the entire viewing issue, and the obsession associated with it. Are there any monetary benefits with getting plenty of hits
34 Bigphilnyc : I don't even care that someoen does that. Why? Because it's so entertaining to see that someone would actually do that, that the humor of it all makes
35 Mx330 : How is it cheating? Every user has the chance for their photos to be added at any given time, it is completely random. Not against anybody, but I have
36 Post contains images Clickhappy : Juan, you need to just look at the facts to understand the issue. The clock resets at midnight in Sweden, right? Midnight in Sweden is what, 11pm in e
37 Apuneger : This certainly is a good thing for Airliners.net. I can't imagine people designing/using scripts just to increase hits on Airliners.net. That's just l
38 Rg828 : Well, if creating artificial hits is possible, can some clever type artificially include pictures in the database, and go unnoticed? Or, can someone h
39 Res : Next step is the suppression of "look at this picture closely" comments on pics. That stuff just crawls under my skin.
40 Danny : lem said: Although a "clean" count can only be reached when all images are accepted at the same time. Very true Willem." Not true at all. If we upload
41 Post contains images GKirk : Name and shame whoever is doing this
42 Post contains images Rg828 : Name and shame whoever is doing this And a public apology
43 Eksath : I agree with GKirk...Expose the individuals doing this to the rest of the herd and that would be a deterant of sorts.
44 Mx330 : Royal: I know it works like that! And I agree with it, if not I wouldn't upload. Its just the feeling you get when your top shots get added at that ti
45 Post contains images Ejazz : "Name and shame whoever is doing this" I'm guessing that if this were done there would be no UTA pictures left on the A.Net database
46 Clickhappy : Ua777222 You are completely out of line. Calling Sam Chui a "view-whore" is beyond unbelievable. I know you're only 13 but you need to learn about res
47 Ua777222 : Clickhappy, I'm sorry that you feel my comment it out of line. I have suggested it to be deleted. Answer me this, Do you feel that it's an unfair adva
48 INNflight : UA777222: Sam is a very good aviation photographer. There's no doubt on that. His skills combined with the opportuneties he has ( LAX ramp access, lot
49 Post contains images DLKAPA : As a photographer, I consider myself an artist. Ask yourselves this: If you are so opulently concerned with the amount of views your photo gets that y
50 Post contains images Vir380 : Eric , very well said ! thats absolutley spot on if everyone had the same thoughts it would be a perfect world ... but alas ... best wishes Tony
51 Dendrobatid : I am sure that fake views can be generated and that it is possible for someone to do it to another persons photographs. A few months ago this happened
52 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Well I have to be niave as well. I can't believe that this carry on was going on. Well Said Eric. If people go to these kind of lengths then they are
53 Sukhoi : Mick, I for one look at all your B+W shots, just wish I could have taken them! Its shots such as those that make this a great site. John's shots from
54 Post contains images Brian_ga : Johan, I am glad A.net is taking these steps. It is very fair. Brian_ga
55 ChrisM001 : Good move Its sad that people feel the need to boost their viewing figures. Most A.net'ers I have come across certainly don't do this to get the most
56 Sulman : "Most A.net'ers I have come across certainly don't do this to get the most viewed pics, they do it because they are enthuasiasts and posting pics is a
57 Sunilgupta : Do you feel that it's an unfair advantage to have your name on the search page, which has to be passed by at least 50,000 a day, b/c you uploaded say
58 Ua777222 : I'm still having trouble seeing where the viewing system comes in place. Personally I try not to play the game. I'll show my pictures where can be of
59 Joge : About plugging pics... I have to say, that I'm doing it sometimes. I do it in the forums as well as in the chat. But I definitely do NOT do it for get
60 SA006 : Why do I upload pics to this site? To show them to the people. Why do I plug my pics then? For the same reason. Exactly. I do the exact same thing in
61 Joge : SA006, The IP on dialup changes every time you connect (well, most probably it will differ from the one you had on your last connection) and sometimes
62 JumboJim747 : Good work johan and crew. Very happy to see steps taken to keep it fair for everyone. I really liked the COMMENT ON THIS PICTURE FEATURE but now its g
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