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Cockpit "badmotiv" Part 2.  
User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2391 posts, RR: 24
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Hi guys, I recently had this shot rejected for 'badmotiv':

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/VHOGE.jpg
Reading through the reasons I'm unable to identify which one applies to this shot.
It was taken from just left of centre with a 10mm lens, which is why the top and bottom of the shot aren't parallel, so I leveled it to the top of the MCP.
Any ideas as to what I can do to the shot to make it acceptable, or shall I bin it?

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User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Looks nice. Maybe it's badmotive because the pilot's face is in the picture?


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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Awesome shot Anthony! The only thing I can see that could possibly have warranted the badmotiv is the captain's face, but it really should have been badpeople instead, then. Maybe try appealing, or determine whether it was indeed the captain's face in which case I dunno if there's anything that could save it.

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

like i said on the other forum, lovely shot but i think if the captain had have been looking forward it'd have made it no problems, it's really the only reason i could think of.


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User currently offlineKereru From New Zealand, joined Jun 2003, 873 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

And it could be that big back of seat that the Captain is sitting in?


Backs of seats kill shots and are too intrusive. With a 10mm lens you could stand right beside the seat and still get all the flight deck in with the result being no back of seat. Remember the aircraft has to be the prime subject not the Captain or the back of seat. It would also be better if the Captain was looking forward and a little further left so that he doesnt obscure the instruments. A close call really and not far off being acceptable.

Cheers,
Colin
PS See how you have the RH seat that is okay, and if you had stood closer the instruments would be bigger in the frame especially with your 10mm lens.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

if back of seats is that bad then how have so many shots from the flight deck with that obtrusive seat made it into the database? i understand what you mean but it's a bit hypocritical to say that when we can browse the database and find many examples of what you've mentioned not to do.

imho the seat in this shot is far more obtrusive than of the rejected shot, i still think it's due to the captains face.


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User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

yeh true,
awesome shot and shoul be on if the captain's face wasnt on...but wierd it wasnt bad people!

better luck next time i guess  Big thumbs up

cheers

Nick



cheers
User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

I must agree that "badpeople" is probably the reason, difficult to go around that. You could appeal though (if you've got the captain's permission to use his image), it is a wonderful shot.

Colin,

I do not agree with your views, seats are not always intrusive, sometimes they will add something to a shot that would be boring otherwise. (It is the case with some of my own favorite cockpit shots  Big grin )

Cheers

j




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User currently offlinePepef From Finland, joined Oct 2002, 440 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

The seats can't be all that intrusive, after all there's a whole section dedicated to them; it's called cabin views.

The seats are as much a part of the cockpit as they are a part of the cabin. The same goes to heads. On every flight there are people in both. Without the seats and the people, there wouldn't be an Airliners.net.

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User currently offlinePepef From Finland, joined Oct 2002, 440 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

How about a new section: "cockpit and cabin shots with people", so those who want to concentrate on just the plane can steer clear?

-pepef-


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2391 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

Thanks guys. When I uploaded I wrote the Captain's name and noted I had his permission.

Colin, the Captain is the boss so I wasn't about to direct him to improve my shot! He had to be there to fly the plane. Thanks anyway.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1878 times:

but he didn't have to take the starring role, which i think his face seems to do when this photo was taken, if he looked straight ahead i'd think the outcome would've been poisitive.


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User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

HAHA!! as the owner of the picture that was mentioned... id have to say that yes the seat is quite intruding (sorry when i took my pic, i had no choice but to use the jumpseat headrest as the tripod soo yes the capt.'s seat was in the way)

but i think in your case, the seat is not that intruding.. its a great pic!! and i think its mainly due to the Capt's face.. what a waste of a shot  Sad

tim



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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2391 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Thanks for your input guys, although the whole thing is quite inconclusive. None of the things mentioned really falls under 'badmotiv'.

I'll leave this one and try again I guess!


User currently offlineBA747-436 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1259 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1735 times:

how can you say the seat is intrusive....sounds more like your trying to find something wrong with a quality photo. Imo a wrong decission to reject it but what can you do.


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