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What The Heck Happened To Hisham?  
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Hisham Atallah, his last photos in the database are from August of last year, and I don't think he's posted since then either? Did he just drop off the face of the earth?

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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Good question Eric... where the hell is he?

His shots were awesome!

Drew



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

...Rumor around Denver was that his picture was in every airport cop car...

User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (reply 2):
his last photos in the database are from August of last year


The photo is from August, but it was uploaded just 17 days ago...

Tom


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Anyone care to expand as to whom this person is and why he/she wouldn't be allowed to take pictures?

Thanks again,

Matt



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Hisham, not to blame Hisham, was a DEN spotter who did the DEN cops didn't care for. Last Sept when Ryan Richter and I were up along the 16's, the officer mentioned that if Hisham hadn't of taken so many liberties, again this is what the officer told me, spotting wouldn't be such a hassle at DEN. I don't remember the exact wording of what the officer said, but this is his opinion and not mine.

EDIT: syntax

[Edited 2005-02-19 00:44:21]

User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

In a personal message, he told me that he has given up spotting in the US because of his nationality which was causing problems for him.

As far as I know, he is currently working hard on his PhD degree. Good luck to him. I hope he visits Beirut again and produces more stunning shots like this.

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Photo © Hisham Atallah



I'm sure he will respond soon to this thread as well.

All the best to everyone.

Vatche


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

It surely is a sad day when your nationality is the cause of what you can do and where you do it.
We have to move on in this world and these examples are not helping



On a wing and a prayer
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

I agree,

I am about to go look at all of his photos. I am sick of these hassles we go through at airports. I hope he finds his way back to this site as well as the US.


User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

I hope to see some more pics from him soon, his Beirut series was gorgeous!

And, yes, it is sad to become a terrorist just because you are near an airport holding a camera. (I've being interrogated twice... and counting, I guess)

Regards and all the best for Hisham.

j



"Be prepared to engage in constructive debate". Are YOU prepared?
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3925 times:

Photographing airliners and nature (or anything different than planes) are totally different things. If something goes slightly wrong with a plane, it may result in so many casulties and cost lives. That is why there will be security concerns when we walk around airports carrying bags and equipment. We must be aware of this and expect to be asked questions. I don't see much wrong with it myself. I've been asked questions a few times and I have respected the security officials words, they are doing their job to keep things safe. When we fly, we ourselves also expect everything to be safe around the plane and the airport as well. So no big deal.

Regards.


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

OD720
Point taken but asking questions and being interrogated to the point where you drop everything and just leave is a different story.
Surely security personnel can see the difference between someone with a camera and someone who is up to no good .



On a wing and a prayer
User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

The problem with Hisham and the Denver Airport PD had nothing to do with his nationality. Hisham was one of those Don't-Tell-Me-Aviation-Photography-Is-Illegal kind of guys. He frequently went into areas and visited locations that the Denver Airport PD and Airport Operations repeatedly told us they didn't want photographers in. He went in those areas anyway. That is probably a large reason why we have signs up around Denver Int'l about no tresspassing, no stopping/standing, and etc. So don't play the race card with him. It's his own damn fault the Denver Airport PD was "out to get him".

I met Hisham only on one occasion while out at runway 7 by Conoco. All he talked about during our short visit was how no one is going to tell him where and where he can't shoot photos and how everyone's rights are being trampled on because aviation photography is being restricted across the United States. His attitude didn't impress me and I immediately labeled him in my mind as being "bad" for this hobby.

Mark



A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man...
User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

Quoting Brick (reply 12):
Hisham was one of those Don't-Tell-Me-Aviation-Photography-Is-Illegal kind of guys.


Aviation photography isn't illegal. The guy may have been outspoken and aggressive in his opinions, but talk is cheap. I think it's highly unlikely that one Middle Eastern lad's spirited attitude is the reason that Denver is so anti-photographer at the moment. Frankly, I don't think most American airport authorities need much of an excuse, if the stories on this board is anything to go by.


Cheers


James



It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Mark,

I have to disagree with you on this one. I think he is right when he says our rights are being trampled. Many times I have been told by every airport employee from the top to the guy that picks up the garbage that picture taking is against the law. I am sick of it! If you have to approach me to see I am not a terrorist fine, but then leave me alone! I have a camera not a rocket launcher!

I looked at Hisham's pics, he is a true pro! They are awesome. Hope he comes back. He is not bad for this hobby he is a hero! Someone who fights for our rights here and enables us to be able to go down to the airport and enjoy the hobby we love!


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting Sulman (reply 13):
The guy may have been outspoken and aggressive in his opinions, but talk is cheap.


When dealing with the police, attitude is everything.


User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Quoting Sulman (reply 13):

Aviation photography isn't illegal. The guy may have been outspoken and aggressive in his opinions, but talk is cheap. I think it's highly unlikely that one Middle Eastern lad's spirited attitude is the reason that Denver is so anti-photographer at the moment. Frankly, I don't think most American airport authorities need much of an excuse, if the stories on this board is anything to go by.


That isn't what Mark is talking about, I have never heard anyone at Denver tell me photography was illegal. That is not the issue, the issue is what position makes sense to take with the authorities. Like it or not, in Denver, the land the airport is on is private land, and they can tell us to get off if they think they need to. That's why it makes no sense to take the attitude of "Our rights are being trampled" up front with the police. Polite compliance, no matter how unreasonable the decisions makes much more sense.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Mark is totally 100% correct in saying that Hisham was going where he shouldn't have been. Kyle, remember that day we were out on the 16s (Me, You, Vitaly, Ryan, and Jeff), and Romero told us That they were having problems with "that arab guy, hisham, he keeps going where he shouldn't be, out on 8."

Makes you wonder if the brilliant photos are really worth the pixels they fill...


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