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So, Which Photo Is "right"?  
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

2 photos taken at more or less the same time (2nd May 2004) at MAN, but with different outcomes, exposure wise.


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Photo © James Rowson

Too dark?


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Photo © Danny Hill - AirlinesOnPrint

Too pale? Though it was a misty morning.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
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I don't think either is right, although I wasn't there, so I can't be 100% certain.

To me the top shot looks like it has had Auto Levels applied, the second one no Levels at all. I think the 'correct' shot would be somewhere in between.

Both are nice shots. Good angle and well composed.

Nice result Big grin


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Don't give up hope for these shots yet. Add a little bit of contrast to the second shot by using a brightness/contrast layer and get it to where it looks a bit less "misty" and send it in. This shot looks like it has some real good potential.

User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
Add a little bit of contrast to the second shot by using a brightness/contrast layer and get it to where it looks a bit less "misty" and send it in.

Good morning.  Big grin No need to send them in cause both shots are already in the database.



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 3568 times:
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Hi all

So what's the point here?

Two different shots from two different photographers and possibly two different cameras.

Andrew, do you have one to upload? We would like to see it.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Not sure what the point of the post is, but it can be an interesting exercise, and one of the fun things about DSLR processing. Different photographers will usually get different results from their workflow.

The exception is when the conditions are so favourable that the camera achieves an ideal capture, and all that's left to do is crop and sharpen.

Personally, these sunny but slightly muggy days have really tested my post-processing ability, but it certainly makes it rewarding when you succesfully recreate what you saw through the viewfinder.

Cheers

James


Edit: To answer the question, as Royal said, I think it's down to the levels. Different white & black points have been chosen, or simply a different interpretation with the curve tool.

[Edited 2005-03-31 21:15:08]


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 3):
No need to send them in cause both shots are already in the database.

ok wow, I completely missed the point of that one...


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Personally I like the first one more. The second photo is just way too bright in the dark areas and I think it takes away a lot of the 'depth' in the composition, certainly when comparing to the other one.

Maybe some might think that the first one is a bit too dark, but for me it has the best contrast of the two photos, by far. No offence to the photographer of the second photo of course.

Greets,
Ivan



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User currently onlineJRowson From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Good evening all,

The 1st photo was taken by myself in the days when i was using a 300D. To me the photo looks right, or I wouldn't have uploaded it. A number of different variables come into play though to cause the differences. Firstly Danny uses a different camera to me (10D I think?). Secondly, beacause the 300D has a tendency to blow out highlights, I was most likely under-exposing by 1/3, despite it being misty. I don't use auto levels to process. I would have used photoshop's level adjustment using the histogram. Monitor setup could cause the differences to.
I perceive my image to be right, as it looks right to me. I can't see how there is a definative answer to what is right. If it wasn't right it wouldn't be on Anet  Smile.
Thanks for plugging the shot anyway, it's much appreciated  Wink.

James.



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 3456 times:
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Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
ok wow, I completely missed the point of that one

Eric your not the only one .
Had us all going for a while .
I had both pictures open and was having a close look at which would look better when i realized they are already in the DB.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

OK, having left this to stew for a few hours, my question was really about how much a photo could have been adjusted or how much it can be adjusted (levels/contrast/brightness, etc, etc). What the eye sees and what the camera records are different and everyone has a different idea of what looks right. Do people try and reproduce the conditions (weather/light) on the day when postprocessing or try and get the plane looking its best?

Maybe I should have said that the photos were already in the DB, but I presumed that the layout would give this away.

Incidentally, it was interesting looking at the AP-BGL photos and just about all of them were at MAN with occasional others at LHR, JFK, Toronto and IAH.



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