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Why Does This Site Discourage Photography?  
User currently offlineBillsville From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

I'm at a loss....

Why does this site go out of its way to discourage new people?

I recently uploaded a photo I just knew would get rejected for badlevel. The plane was turning on a taxiway that was banked and it appears as though the plane was leaning left. Even though I used the guidelines set out and read all the forum posts here, I lined the photo up using background buildings and walls that I knew were straight up and down. Hey, I was there when I took the photo.

Nope, didn't work. I could tell it was going to get the flick because the whole aim of this process is to discourage and reject even when you use the correct processes.

It's not even worth posting the link here. There seems to be a process of getting the photo rejected, then posting it here and getting it torn apart even further by other screeners backing each other up. This process seems to be repeated over and over in this forum. Anyway it seems to have disappeared from the site. It doesn't appear in my rejected list.

So which 'in' crowd do you have to be in to get something posted here.

Very Very Discouraged.......

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User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Why the hell would you come in here, bitching, and not show us the photo to check if your arguments are valid or if they are nothing but standard anti screener bullshit?


Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

/angry hat off

Chill, give it a break, if you wan the pic online, make it conform the screening regulations. The screeners don't know if it is level or not, they haven't been there...

Wietse



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Billsville,

Did you advise the screener(s) of your thinking using the 'comment to screeners' box? I've had a few pictures where correct look strange, and the easiest thing to do is tell the screener exactly what you were thinking, and then they can make their own mind up.

Post the image here so it can be seen and we can help you with it.


James



It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4442 times:
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Hey, cool down.

Show us the pic, if you are right, and I have seen enough of your work to think that is likely, you will get a lot of support from the community.
We all have beefs with screeners sometimes.. that is part of A.net!!  white 

Regards

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineBillsville From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

I can't show you the pic because it has disappeared from my rejected photos list. No thumbnail, no small or large pictures to show. Can't show what isn't there.

User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

You don't have the edited photo saved on your hard drive?


Without struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)
User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

If you have the edited pic saved on your hard drive, ask someone here if they have server space so you can send it to them and they upload it with a link to it on here.


Without struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)
User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Quoting Billsville (Thread starter):
Why does this site go out of its way to discourage new people?

Check this page http://www.airliners.net/search/ theres a list of new photographers. So you can make the cut.

Quoting Billsville (Thread starter):
It's not even worth posting the link here.

But it's worth to come here and cry? This time could have been used more productive by posting the photo and asking for advice like described in the rejection mail you got.

[Edited 2005-04-26 10:04:51]


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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4380 times:
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Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 7):
ask someone here if they have server space so you can send it to them and they upload it with a link to it on here.

Hi, If you have no way of hosting it, I do, happy to do this if you wish, email is in profile

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

As James says, I have in the past added comments to the screeners about some tricky situations just to give them some idea of how the place looks and I think they have used them in their screening.

I can show one such photo which is now in the db.

Best regards.


User currently offlineBillsville From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 9):

I will take you up on that when I get back to my main computer.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 8):
Check this page http://www.airliners.net/search/ theres a list of new photographers. So you can make the cut.

I bet they've been rejected upteen million times before getting one photo up.

[Edited 2005-04-26 10:25:32]

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4354 times:
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No worries buddy,
Happy to help out!!

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting Billsville (Reply 11):
I bet they've been rejected upteen million times before getting one photo up.

Everybody's been there.



It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Billsville
I am one of the new photographers added to the database.
I started uploading about 2-3 months ago and I have had about 25 rejections. All but 1 was bad quality. the 1 was bad level. My first one was pathetic compared to what I am processing now. We've all been there before but with practise, you will get a photo up. Processing photos takes a lot of patience. Even the best photographers here still get rejections.



Without struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4331 times:
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Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 14):
Even the best photographers here still get rejections.

No we don't.... Oh just kidding!! I get my share!! +++

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineJat74l From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 618 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

For the 249 shots I have on this db I have had at LEAST this amount (and probably more) rejected.

Am I now a better photogrpher 12 months down the line because I strive to achieve the high standards set here?

YES!

John



I like trains just as much as planes but trains don't like the Atlantic!
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4315 times:
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Quoting Jat74l (Reply 16):
Am I now a better photogrpher

But spelling is still a challenge!!
Seriously, the main reason I joined A.net was to improve my photography and whilst I only have 11 images on the db and (he says a little smugly) only 16 rejections, my photography has improved and my processing has improved many orders of magnitude.
For that I will always be in debt to A.net, not only the screeners but also the photog community that have helped!

Regards

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting Billsville (Thread starter):
Why does this site go out of its way to discourage new people?

It doesn't. Through this forum, it goes out of its way to help photographers reach the standard that the site requires.

Quoting Billsville (Thread starter):
So which 'in' crowd do you have to be in to get something posted here.

You have to be in with the crowd that's prepared to learn and develop their technique...

Quoting Billsville (Thread starter):
Nope, didn't work. I could tell it was going to get the flick because the whole aim of this process is to discourage and reject even when you use the correct processes. It's not even worth posting the link here.

...rather than the crowd that bitches and moans, always believes they're right, and won't accept the help and support of others that's actually quite freely available here.

Andy

Andy


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Billsville   

Send me an e-mail and I will forward you a copy of my workflow for Elements 2.0 & 3.0 it may help you a bit.
One or two photographers in this thread have used it and it's been of some benefit to them.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 17):
But spelling is still a challenge

You too Chris??!!

Fergul  

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 20):
a.net Isn't the be all and end all of photography.

Exactly! Join a camera club and then you will really broaden your horizons!

[Edited 2005-04-26 11:46:00]


Zambian Airways, Where the Eagles fly free!!
User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Billsville (Thread starter):
Very Very Discouraged.......

not to have a dig or anything, but why? a.net Isn't the be all and end all of photography. Teaches you what makes a good photo under the photography rules. Get it all in frame, get it level, take it from a nice angle. But really, take the photo for yourself not for other people.

If it wasn't for a.net I would still have a point and shoot, its an inspiring site. For a while when I got a decent camera and I was at the airport or a pad I would think to myself, right, what do I need to do to get a photo accepted here [a.net]

my mate at the airport who's been with a.net since the start and takes brilliant images showed me though what he had taken one day, I was amazed how many just wouldn't fit into any category here, he took them for himself because they were interesting Angles and artistic. so obviously he has the right idea. Now thanks to him I take photos for myself.

Get them printed, put them in an album. If during the course you take a photo that fits into the a.net categories then great upload it. If it gets rejected so what uve still got a great photo that you have taken yourself. If you take a photo for a.net and it gets rejected it sucks you feel like what's the point, if you take a photo for yourself and it gets rejected you still have the satisfaction of knowing its something you wanted. It`ll get very old very fast if when you go out to the airport your only taking pictures for a.net

ill stop my dithering now

Gary S


User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

I might add something else to the mix. There has been a thread here, forgot where, from an anetter who said unless you know your camera inside out and unless you know your photo processing program inside out 4 times over, you have a slim chance of getting a photo accepted here. Know your hardware and software and you will get a photo up.


Without struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4241 times:
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Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 20):
Get them printed, put them in an album. If during the course you take a photo that fits into the a.net categories then great upload it.

Absolutely, since Dec 04 when I got serious about this(again!!) I have pressed the shutter button approx. 9000 times, I have placed 72 images on my pbase gallery and uploaded 40 pics to A.net of these 11 are in db, 16 rejected and 3 are still screening.
Am I happy, hell yeah.. I have lots of fun and have a whole bunch of pics I like that won't get seen here because they don't fit.
Do I get frustrated by screeners.. hell yeah.. but "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger!"

Message is ... enjoy what you do, if what you like gets shown here that is a bonus!!

Regards

Chris

PS .... Fergul... wat is rong wth my spaling?



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 22):
Message is ... enjoy what you do

Hear hear

Bill there are a lot of people here willing to help. Cheer up mate and lets have a go at your shot for you.

Take care

Fergul 

Kris, your speling is fine, I think?! How you keeping mate!!  

Edit: A.net does not discourage photography, their standards are high and that comes with popularity, you only accept the best. Secondly This is a database for aircraft!

[Edited 2005-04-26 12:17:06]


Zambian Airways, Where the Eagles fly free!!
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Why do people continue to think there is a conspiracy here? If your photo is good it gets accepted. If your photo is bad it gets rejected. Can't get much easier than that. Not to mention you have many very good opinions here if you want them. So post the pic, ask questions and keep snapping. If you work hard your pics will get accepted! Big grin

25 JumboJim747 : Hey Chris i dont know about your spelling because eim a shocker it it also but your maths is a bit out. You have 10 phtos missing by that calculation
26 Post contains images Senorcarnival : If you're simply looking to forego quality, go over to myaviation.net, just so you have somewhere to post your work (or get a PBase/photobucket/etc ac
27 JumboJim747 : Billsville With all due respect i have to disagree with you. All you have to do is read some threads in here and you see the imput that the screeners
28 Post contains images StealthZ : And 10 are in my dreams... I said my spelling was OK..not my arifmatik!!!! regards Stallfzed
29 JumboJim747 : Hey Chris dont mind if i say you are a great man. With a great sense of humor also . See you at the mound soon
30 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Are you Aussie's still awake over and down there? Thought it would be long past your bed time. Fergul
31 Billsville : Stealthz, I can't attach to an email from this sight... Its discouraging because the whole process is inherently flawed. Its flawed because you just h
32 DC10Tim : Look for photos that are similar to the one you are uploading, a recent shot of the same aircraft or one of a similar angle of a plane from the same
33 Post contains images Aviopic : Probably not, you have become a bit(or a lot) more familiar with PS or equivalent. Because let's face it guys, to meet the current standards we are n
34 DLKAPA : Exactly. It took me a year.
35 AirKas1 : I just read the first sentence... Most of the time that's sufficient:D
36 Skymonster : We have a very consistant set of standards. Yes, if you want to look back to what was uploaded two or three years ago, the standards then were no whe
37 Kukkudrill : Personally speaking, I've learnt a lot about editing photos on PC but I feel that in my own modest way I have also improved as a photographer thanks
38 European : Hi I have had plenty of photo's rejected... I don't go posting a new forum topic each time I have one rejected, I will just keep trying when I get a p
39 Wanderer : I had a couple, which looked good, rejected, a couple of weeks ago, *Shrug*. It just makes me want to improve and is that such a bad thing? I don't th
40 Post contains images Mygind66 : .. Have you tried to be self screener? Sometimes ( many...) you see people uploading rejected photos with a 'problem' like Badquality or Badlevel for
41 Fly747 : It took me a while to get my first photo accepted as well. When I first uploaded, I thought the photo was of a pretty good quality, but got rejected.
42 Post contains images Aviopic : Of course Charles that's quite possible as I don't know your background, guess I was talking for myself. I mean when you are walking around with a ca
43 Post contains images Javibi : Guys, what's happening here? 42 replies and MOST of them are defending the screeners!!! Something fishy is going on! Seriously, I've been a "regular"
44 Post contains images Aviopic : Oh... it is you from the "bad dark" images hehe Man there are the most amazing images in the DB, it was you who brought one of the latest to our atte
45 Post contains links USAir_757 : Calm down. At first you'll think they're out to get you. I did at one point. 4 years later and I am now not only a better aviation photographer, I'm
46 Kukkudrill : Thanks Willem, yes you did. I'm not sure a.net should begin rejecting photos for the reasons you mention (let's see -- "badstationary" for props?), b
47 Sulman : Willem, As you are one of the respected photographers on here, I'm a little surprised that you think all this place does is teach most of us how to wo
48 NonRevKing : Peter, with that one comment you just confirmed everything he said... "There seems to be a process of getting the photo rejected, then posting it her
49 Post contains images Skidmarks : Well, what a palaver eh? Billsville, believe me you are not alone thinking all screeners are evil bastards out to stifle natural photography. Some of
50 Aviopic : Thank you very much. I am not denying anything you said James, of course post processing is very important and yes I was pushed like any other to imp
51 Clickhappy : believe me you are not alone thinking all screeners are evil bastards out to stifle natural photography. Some of them wouldnt know an artistic pic if
52 Post contains images NonRevKing : While I dont agree that all screeners are evil bastards (only a few ) It is true that some screeners here (not mentioning any names) aren't "photogra
53 Aviopic : Like anybody else I got my rejections and frustrations and when I posted them in this forum I got thumbs up and down. But it was my decision to uploa
54 Post contains images Espion007 : Sure the screening process may no be perfect but with 1,687 photos uploaded in the last 24-48 hours, there are photographers that are doing things rig
55 Lennymuir : The sentiments expressed by Brian are SPOT ON! airliners.net has got absolutely nothing to do with 'photography'. The object here is to create an imag
56 NonRevKing : This was a quote from the original post, not my statement. I disagree, as nothing is ever done, and posts like this that keep happening are evidence
57 Post contains links and images Aviopic : No that is to bold Gerry. There is fantastic photography around. View Large View MediumPhoto © Ryan C. Umphrey and much more of course.
58 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Like I said No artistic here, nor is it required, well the odd time I guess. Hey Brian, nice to hear you again, how you keeping? Fergul
59 Post contains links Aviopic : Sorry, my mistake. No not true, we got a new guideline(albeit PS guidelines) which cleared up some issue's Manipulations / Supensions Guideline For A
60 BigPhilNYC : I've read through this thread and about half of the respones to other people's comments could just be replied to with "You knwo what I'm talking about
61 Post contains images Blackhawk144 : I don't feel like reading all of te above posts carefully, so sorry if this has been posted but... Airliners.net seems to be the wrong place to go for
62 Post contains images NonRevKing : I really don't. I like to read the posts and keep up with what's being said, but sometimes my BS meter skyrockets and I can't help myself. I think th
63 Lennymuir : You misinterpret me Willem. When I say airliners.net has got absolutely nothing to do with 'photography' I mean it is not 'photography'. It is a proce
64 Qantas077 : the photo you've posted is of course not easy to take, the work to edit it where the skill lies! i suspect if i or someone else submitted that photo
65 Billsville : It seems I'm not alone in some of my thoughts. Some background. I already have six photos in the database. So I've been through the frustrating proces
66 CallMeCapt : Regarding the last 2 posts. You may fix something and then it gets rejected for another reason. The photo may be level with a sloping taxiway...the bo
67 Post contains images Skidmarks : Click, I put that in simply to demonstrate that at times we all feel that we are unfairly rejected and that we feel screeners are evil. However, when
68 Post contains images Fergulmcc : These are all very valid points and arguments that have been discussed time and time again, and will continue to be. When I started out in a.net I ha
69 NIKV69 : I have to say that I am surprised this thread didn't get deleted from the beginning. The title is in very poor taste. All this site does is encourage
70 Skymonster : Aha, so now, in addition to being unable to judge whether a photo is level or not, we also have... I wonder if that means Billsville's submissions are
71 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Do you wish me to post them Andy? I don't think that the photographers would be too happy. I have done it once before, but I won't repeat it! I can a
72 Tommy Mogren : Very well put Brian. Tommy Mogren
73 Skymonster : Fergul, I wasn't talking about pictures already on the database. I was taking about pictures being rejected incorrectly or inappropriately, which is w
74 Post contains images Fergulmcc : I agree with you on that Gary, I too would like to see the photo and help out. I'm not here to tear someones photo to shredds and ridicule the photog
75 Post contains images Aviopic : hehe we suffer from the same handicap Brian. Although English wasn't my moms language I do understand you very well and in essence we want the same t
76 JumboJim747 : True to every spec of the word . Thanks for the work flow fergul .
77 Billsville : Andy, I would gladly post the photo here but as I stated previously... -The picture in question has disappeared from my rejected photos list. So I ca
78 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Bill As I have said before and I can sympathise with your frustration in getting your first photos onto the DB. I have been there. I have also said in
79 MidnightMike : Well, take a class & improve your photo taking skills....
80 StealthZ : Hi, the offer still stands, send me an email from my profile I will return that then you can attach the photo, Happy to help in anyway I can Regards
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