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User currently offlineKnighty From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 207 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

I was thinking about this the other day - with the new manipulation rules, is converting photos to black and white (or Sepia) still allowed?

Knighty


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Black and White maybe, but I highly doubt Sepia is allowed.

User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
Black and White maybe, but I highly doubt Sepia is allowed.

This could become an interesting discussion.
Of course B & W is accepted and I guess sticking a sepia filter in front of my lens isn't wrong either.
So if an image is shot that way it's not against any rule but today we can easily do it afterwards which probably is against the rules.
The question is "who is going to spot the difference" after I stripped the EXIF data ?
This example shows what I mean.


Where the original looks like this.

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Photo © Willem Honders




Willem



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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

I'm assuming a sepia conversion is OK, as these have been accepted recently:

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Photo © Alex G


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In fact, the above shots were the reason I added this one to the queue:



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 3):
I'm assuming a sepia conversion is OK, as these have been accepted recently:

Nice shots Mark, as an old aircraft bugger I can appreciate these images.
Did you convert them from digital(or analog) color to b & w sepia like I did or shot them like that ?
Anyway it's appropriate for old aircraft I think although a conversion might be against the rules.
Since they are in the database already it proofs my point though.

Willem



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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Willem, only the Spirit of St Louis replica picture is mine. It's from a b&w negative.

-Mark



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

oeps sorry, I did not pay attention to the names involved.

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 5):
It's from a b&w negative.

That should be alright.



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User currently offlineKnighty From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 207 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

It was Alex's photo that got me thinking - I don't have a problem with it but I was wondering what the screeners thought of that since that photo was uploaded before the new rules came into effect.

Ian



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5696 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
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Most consumer digitals have a B&W mode, how would desaturating a RAW file be different to that?

Toning, I guess it would be a matter of degree... and hard to police.

Interested to see what the screening community has to say about this.

Regards

Chris



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User currently offlineLyzzard From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 404 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

The only reason why I added the 2 shots taken at Chino (DC-3 and L-29) was because I like the dynamic resolution of the Fuji S2 and enjoyed the clarity it could resolve even in b/w. Plus I was getting a little tired of color shots and recently went into shooting with rangefinders with b/w film.

I think there is definitely a place for more of these shots and I intend to upload some of my images taken on film.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Most consumer digitals have a B&W mode, how would desaturating a RAW file be different to that?

It wouldn't, they are one and the same.

Quoting Lyzzard (Reply 9):
with b/w film.

The only way to shoot black and white. b/w film, the right kind not the wal-mart knockoff, is still nice and sharp, and the right amount of contrast. The digital "bw" mode on a camera just desaturates the image taken in color, and as a result alot of contrast is lost. Digital bw is very tough to get right, but still, it's kinda fake.


User currently offlineLyzzard From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 404 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Actually BW manipulation in photoshop is more than just a straight removal of color. My images were actually run through a certain filters to get the look I was after. I don't think it's as fake as you suggest but I tend to see it as another medium. The look of digital BW is definitely different from that of film but I enjoy shooting in both mediums as the end results are very different from one another.

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