Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 12 Posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
I was sort of blown away by this rejection I got this morning. This shot got rejected for baddouble. I DO have another approach shot taken from the same aircraft on the same day. That shot was taken approaching Tulsa International, this one that was rejected was approaching Richard L. Jones airport. I don't get it. Is there no way to get this shot in besides appealing? I'm usually pretty satisfied with my rejections but this one doesn't make sense to me.
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 2968 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2030 times:
That must be frustrating for you. My understanding would be that there should be no reason for a baddouble rejection unless the approach was the same - which clearly it is not.
So long as you have not got another shot in the queue of the same approach as the one rejected I wonder whether this is simply a mistake. Unless someone comes up here with some other view/information I would be tempted to appeal the shot, adding an explanation about the rejection. I think that once it has been rejected the only way to take the issue forward is to appeal.
Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
I have this other shot taken from the same plane of the SAME airport (KRVS) taken on the downwind leg. I uploaded that as an overview. It was rejected for badinfo, which I saw my mistake and have already re-uploaded. That was an overview and this is not it my opinion. I will include a link to that shot as well. Maybe it was a mistake and I could appeal and get it through. I would like a screener comment before I put it through the appeal process. Here is the overview rejected for badinfo. Thanks for the feedback guys.
These photos have already been added to the database or you have
uploaded other photos that look very much like these. Please read more
on this issue in the Upload-FAQ.
Note: You could also get rejection message if there are photos very similar
to these that have passed the first screening and are waiting for the
second, final, screening. Also, generally if you submit a number shots of
an aircraft taken at the same time, only the best 1 or 2 will be selected
and rest may have been rejected as doubles. You can better control
which ones we accept by only uploading the 1 or 2 best shots from a
sequence of photographs of the same aircraft.
Please check the database carefully for already existing photos of this aircraft
before uploading new photos and retain from reuploading photos which where rejected
with baddouble. Continous reuploading might result in a temporary ban from the site.
Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1951 times:
Update...I appealed the rejected approach shot last night and explained that sure, it was the same plane, same day, but it was a different airport, different approach. Well....that didn't work...shot down again. Just doesn't make sense to me. Oh well I guess...time to move on.
Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1918 times:
I'm aware standards have changed since then. You can still get shots like that in though...have a look at LAX pics for 1/22/05. Specifically, F-GEXA http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...uary%2022,%202005®search=F-GEXA I just don't see how it plays as baddouble in my case, a shot depicting approaches to 2 different airports. I'm glad everyone else understands.
I thought they were sufficiently different and I am allowed to "upload my best 1 or 2" from a sequence...Guess I should have uploaded a sequence of the A380 where it appears you can get away with 3 take off shots I see why you uploaders get annoyed with the screening process
N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1626 posts, RR: 69 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1745 times:
Thanks for showing your rejection. I think the 2 Thai 345 takeoff shot of yours differentiate from each other well enough. I would give it ok on them if I am screening. I was thinking to upload something like that too, now seeing yours rejected I may have to re-assess the situation. It is all about how individual screener taking on this baddouble issue.
Glennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1717 times:
As with all rejection reasons, a rule is applied differently depending upon the image itself. But I'll break the rule down as simply as I can for the purposes of an explanation.
* Best 1 or 2 shots accepted from the same photographer, same registration, same day
Must take into consideration:
* Rare or common - If it's common, it's likely only the best single shot will be accepted, but also impacted by other considerations
* Quality - If quality if good (not excellent), it's likely only best single shot will be accepted - once again, other considerations taken into account
* Special event/Newsworthy? - If it's a special event, once-off or generally something that is newsworthy (like an accident or even the first A380 take off), the rule might even be extended to cover 3 shots.
* Angle: Best 1 or 2 really means that the angles or shots must be significantly different. So a close up on a nose and a wide angle might be okay, or a shot from front 3/4 and back 3/4 on same take off, might be okay - but once again, other considerations must be taken into context.
If you want to avoid bad doubles, I would recommend questioning motivation behind uploading 2 of the same reg, same movement, same day. Why would you bother uploading two of the same thing?
Accident? Rare? Newsworthy? Special visitor? - Maybe these would be reasons for uploading two. But honestly, why would anyone be uploading two shots of a common, everyday airliners???
If you're doing this, and your shots are not absolutely perfect, then expect a bad double. In the process if you're uploading 3, 4, 5 or even more of the same thing (I've seen as many as 12 of the same thing), then the only thing you're going to be doing is wasting screener time and extending the queue screening time.
Worth noting though, that the screeners will generally try to make comments on doubles, trying to accept the best shot of those uploaded by photographers (i.e. If you upload 5, and they're good enough to accept.... we'll try to choose the best).
But really, you as a photographer should be choosing the best with your own opinions.
Respected users.... If my replies are useful, then by all means...