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Some Rejections Of Mine  
User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

This one got rejected for badmotiv.

Is it becuase of the fence? Or something else?

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...UA_752_N593UA_LGA31Arr1_042105.jpg

And then this one got badsize. I guess I didn't realize how square I made it. I didn't know you could be too square like that, though. I just thought it was ok a long as you met the minimum size requirements, no? It's 1024 x 810.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...AA_752_N642AA_LGA31Arr1_022305.jpg

Your thoughts?

-Phil


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Thread starter):
Is it becuase of the fence? Or something else?

I'm pretty sure it is because the fence is blocking part of the plane. That is pretty much an automatic rejection.

Harry



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Nice pic Phil but that fence and that rubble really hurt the shot.

User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

I agree with the above posts about pic number 1. For number 2 it is fairly square, it's hard to say what to do without the original. Don't crop so close to the engines if you can so the photo becomes wider. Good luck, and nice pics.
-Matt



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

HAHA, he called it rubble. I love that. LGA's shoreline is not the cleanest of places.

As for the second photo, I was just going to crop a little off the top and bottom and reupload. That should fix it, no?

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Phil
Im sure the second will get in when you resize to the 4-3 or 3-2 aspect ratio its a very nice shot.
2nd nothing can be done the fence has ruined the shot .
All the best with the second.



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

At the spot that I'm in, I have to position myself jsut right so that i get the plane below the skyline and above the fence.

The previous plane came in high I think, so I moved more to the left about 40 feet, which proved to be toomuch for the UA 757. Hit or miss, and I missed.

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
That is pretty much an automatic rejection

It's not. Take the beach at SYD for example. Some people get photos accepted with the fence blocking the engine, others have less luck.

Thomas


User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Phil

Badmotiv rejections i guess are all subjective - right or wrongly?

Your 757 was definately cut coz of the fence - maybe bad aesthetics more appropriate - coz i can see you had motiv.....

Its all rough with smoothe (did i spell that right?) mate.

I hope peter dont mind me showing a shot of his as an example to back my point.....


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Ryan Hemmings



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 4):
HAHA, he called it rubble. I love that. LGA's shoreline is not the cleanest of places.

Shoreline? Now I know why I live in the burbs!

I would cut the fence out all together, even if you lose some skyline it should still be a good shot.


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
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Phil

Yes, fence is the problem in the first image.

Re-size the second and re-upload. Shouldn't be a problem after that. The 10D image should be OK.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2523 times:
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Interesting picture of Peter's at SYD, I took this from almost the same spot, uploaded it and then pulled it because I thought badmotiv would kill it..

http://www.pbase.com/chrisg/image/43201129.jpg

Looking at it after I pulled it, needs a little quality work as well!!

Chris

PS not complaining about Peter's photo, think there should be more creative shots like this!!

[Edited 2005-05-10 12:41:50]


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User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 11):
Interesting picture of Peter's at SYD, I took this from almost the same spot

As far as I can tell, Peter's shot was taken from the beach area and yours from the tower mound. The only common factor seems to be a bush in the way. Silly Nice shot anyway Chris, but I'm afraid you're probably correct about the potential badmotiv.

-Q



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Chris
I think you should have kept that shot in as its a lovely shot and has motive also.
Do what you need to do to the quality.
I would resubmit this one defiantly



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User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Hi Phil,

As for the second shot, just try and crop off little bits from the bottom and top. I think it would get the size back, plus it will give the picture a cool "in-your-face" look.

Good luck!

Sebastian



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
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Quoting Q330 (Reply 12):
As far as I can tell, Peter's shot was taken from the beach area and yours from the tower mound.

I do stand corrected... Peter's does look like it was taken from "Beach" maybe carpark??
Wasn't really trying to compare or complain about his!!

But Q330 tell me why you think it might be badmotiv... I suspected it might suffer for it but interested to know what others think.
Or why a shot with some foliage in the corner may be badmotiv when a plane half obscured by trees is not!

Regards

Chris



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User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Chris

I do not think yours is badmotiv at all.... again its all subjective, to me badmotiv needs to be explored, your motiv looks clear, and no obstructions.

Peter's shot without the comments he used i feel would have been badmotiv however in his text he has referred to the "bush" quite clearly giving a reason behind his motiv - the screeners have deemed this to be a good motiv and so it was added.

no complaints at all plus viewing public have deemed it a good enough pic to levy a handfull of hits in its direction.

motiv needs to be questioned in a pic and if there is sufficient reason for how and why pic taken then i guess its down to the individual screeners to like or dislike........as i said its all subjective.

Ryan hemmings



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User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 15):
But Q330 tell me why you think it might be badmotiv...

Basically because the bush sort of intrudes into the frame and distracts attention from the aircraft.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 15):
Or why a shot with some foliage in the corner may be badmotiv when a plane half obscured by trees is not!

That's probably a topic we shouldn't get started on...

Oh, and to try to keep this more or less on the original topic: Phil, as LHSebi said, just crop a bit off the top and bottom of the AA 757 shot to get the aspect ratio right and it should be fine.

-Q



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
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Quoting Ryangooner (Reply 16):
Peter's shot without the comments he used i feel would have been badmotiv however in his text he has referred to the "bush" quite clearly giving a reason behind his motiv - the screeners have deemed this to be a good motiv and so it was added.

Obviously... but it is the first time I have seen comments giving "reason behind his motiv" as being justification!!
Like I said I like the pic.. and respect Peter as a photographer and screener... just it gets back to that consistency thing!!

Chris



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User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ctions/big/GVAST744VSLHR020505.jpg

maybe these screeners will make up their mind one day - consistency needs to be questioned.
This gets bad motiv when mr Unmuth's bushwacker shot makes it.

nevermind i guess

Ryan



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