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My First Photos - Help / Views / Opinions!  
User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Hi there!

I went down to Nottingham East Midlands Airport today, with my new Panasonic DMC-FZ5, which has an Optical Zoom of 12x and 5 Megapixels. It was extremely busy today compared to the last Saturday when I went, and I met some very nice people!

Here are a 8 of my best photos. I would love it if you could tell me how to improve them, and also I would like here a few views about them. I am new to Aviation Photography, so I do not mind any comments good or bad  Smile Please give them time to load  Wink


















BTW, this Boeing 747 used less runway to take-off than a First Choice A321 I saw, both me and the people who surrounded us had never seen anything like it! It used practically half East Midlands Airports Runway! Big grin What an experience!



So then, what do you all think?

The rest of my pictures will be on my site soon  Wink

Cheers and thanks!, Ryan
SIGNALONE  bigthumbsup 

P.S, how do I make it so when you click the pictures, it makes them larger?  Smile

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User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

WOW!!!!!

GREAT PICS!

U have to put [IMG] At the beggining and at the end of the Post

Cya

Jimmi


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

It look's like you were backlit at that location! Usually a big no no for photography!

Simon  Smile



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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1296 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Ya I would agree with the backlit part. The RyanAir pics are too dark because of bad lighting, and the BMI Baby is overexposed, the white is very bright. I don't know if they are A.net material or not because I am not a screener, but they are a good start for your first photos.
-Matt



Jetwash Images - Feel the Heat!!!
User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 831 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4310 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR

A good start, certainly far, far better than my first ever pics.

A tip to help you improve is:-

Try and get the sun behind you, the aircraft will be much better lit that way (just beware of overexposing!):

The Sun You The aircraft

or:

The Aircraft You The Sun

Not always possible to do and a location can change from being a good spot in the morning to being a bad spot in the afternoon or vice versa. It's not easy to find a spot that is good all day.

I'm using an FZ-20, similar to your FZ-5.

Best regards,

Jim



Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Not bad at all, better than my first ones, for sure.

Just level the photos, crop a lot toghter to the plane and watch out for the landing gear being blocked by grass and runway signs, you will get bad motive. Also the 747, too much clutter around the plane, again bad motive.

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 2):
It look's like you were backlit at that location! Usually a big no no for photography!

Absolutly right, unless you just can't avoid it always have the sun behind you. If you are having problems with too much refleaction you can underexpose your shots a bit and then bring it out in PS.
Practice, practice practice practice.

Take care

Fergul Big grin



Zambian Airways, Where the Eagles fly free!!
User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 831 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4297 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR

But don't do what I do and under-expose too much so that midday shots might get by the screeners in the 'Night-shot' category.  Smile

Best regards,

Jim



Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Hi there Big grin

Thanks so much for the tips, I am so pleased I am getting help!

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 4):
Try and get the sun behind you, the aircraft will be much better lit that way (just beware of overexposing!):

This is a point I thought would appear, the location is known to have the sun in the wrong position. A fellow A.netter has given me directions to a location where the sun will be behind me Big grin

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 4):
I'm using an FZ-20, similar to your FZ-5.

There fantastic cameras! I am glad I brought "Luma" (its name)  Wink as she produces some fantastic shots! As you are a fellow Panasonic user, may I ask what settings you use for:

  • Taxing shots? (I've had it on manual)
  • Landing/Take-off shots? (I've had it on manual again)
  • Distance shots? (manual once again)

    Maybe I would be better of using the pre-programmed settings, or Shutter-Priority mode? Also, what does the "p" mode do? Does it do it for you?

    Thanks for your help Jim Smile

    Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 5):
    Just level the photos, crop a lot toghter to the plane and watch out for the landing gear being blocked by grass and runway signs, you will get bad motive. Also the 747, too much clutter around the plane, again bad motive.

    I thought the Boeing 747 had a bit too much clutter around it, I have some others of it, but they are too dark. I will also have to watch out for the landing gear as well  Smile Thanks for your help Fergul Big grin

    I am going to Manchester next weekend, so I will try all these things, and get more used to the camera through the week!

    I need a Photo editor really, I am currently using "Microsoft PictureIt"

    Thanks for the help everyone, and I look forward to hearing more tips!  Wink

    Cheers, Ryan  bigthumbsup 


  • User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
    Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

    Quoting SignalOne (Reply 7):
    I need a Photo editor really, I am currently using "Microsoft PictureIt"

    Get Photoshop Elements 3.0, its very good, value for money, about £70 and it can handle raw images when you get to that stage.
    Fill the frame with the aircraft as mush as you can, then down size to 1024 x ***

    Takea care

    Fergul



    Zambian Airways, Where the Eagles fly free!!
    User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

    Ryan..

    DLKAPA (Eric) has this very good website. Here you'll find, if you use Photoshop mainly, what you're looking for..

    http://rockymountainavphotos.com/Eric/workflow.html

    Cheers

    Enrique


    User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 831 posts, RR: 24
    Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4217 times:
    AIRLINERS.NET CREW
    DATABASE EDITOR

    Ryan,

    Those Panasonics are rather nice for an all in-one camera. Certainly the range offers excellent value for those who don't want to move to DSLR's and interchangable lenses.

    P mode is automatic mode. You point the camera at the target and it works out what shutter speed and aperture setting to use. I find it actually does a good job for most things.

    A mode. You decide what aperture you wish to use (the bigger the F-number, the smaller the hole) and the camera works out the other settings. A smaller aperture lets in less light, but more areas within the shot will be in focus (a better depth of field). Click here for more details. As a rule of thumb, f8 is a good f number to use on sunny days.

    S mode. You choose the shutter speed, the camera works out the rest. As a rule of thumb, I was told by one of the wise ones on here to use 1/125th second for stationary aircraft, 1/250th second for slower jets, flying props and helicopters and 1/500th second for high speed jets. For more info read this.

    M Mode. You are in total command. You choose the shutter speeds and aperture size yourself. Again, a rule of thumb is, on a sunny day it is often recommended you try f8, 1/500th second and see how things go from there.

    I must admit that I play around with settings quite a lot in the field and generally end up wrecking lots of photos as a result. One of the problems I find is that the images look much brighter on the camera LCD (most makes) than they do on the computer. This encourages me to adjust the settings, underexpose and end up with results that are too dark and not adjustable enough to upload here. I've lost some superb shots to that problem. I really must learn to ignore the LCD or remember that if it looks a bit too bright, it is probably correctly exposed.  Wink

    Ideally you need to learn how to expose properly. I think the best way for impatient people like me is to go the airport, make a note of the general conditions. Fire off lots of shots (use P mode if you like, the camera will then throw in all sorts of different conditions for you to have fun with later.), maybe try playing around with a few settings, then go home. The data of your camera settings is stored in the EXIF information of each photo and you can use this with your photos to work out how to improve. One of my shots last trip out was superb (by my standards), so I looked in the EXIF data and guess what - f8, 1/500th second. The subject was an airliner with a white upperside, the sun was behind me with no cloud over it.

    So I now know that a highly reflective airliner at that location, with the sun behind me, with strong sun intensity, can be successfully shot with a setting of f8 for 1/500th second.

    You can also use this to learn about what you shouldn't do and what the limits are. For example, if the camera decided to use a longer exposure, how did it turn out? Was it too dark? Or did you find that using a shutter speed of 1/640th second also gave good results? Gradually, this will allow you to build up an idea of what settings work best for you under for what conditions - keep a notebook!

    One other thing I should mention is that you should try to set the ISO setting to 100 (or 80). This article will explain why.

    As to image editing software, there is a lot to learn here. Photoshop Elements 3 is probably the best 'cheap' software to use. It is what I use. But it contains a lot of stuff. For the first week of using it I was convinced I had just wasted £80. But now I love it. You may be able to use tools that have come with your scanner or camera, but these are usually inferior. There is a freeware image program called XnView (use Google to find it) that is good for viewing images, resizing, adjusting light levels, colour levels and has an excellent one-hit sharpening tool called Enhance Detail. One thing it does very poorly however is rotate. You'll need to find another program to rotate your images. But , if you don't have anything else, it will get you started and introduced to some of the advanced editing features.

    Best regards,

    Jim



    Erm, is this thing on?
    User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

    Hi there!

    Thanks for all the help everyone.

    Jim, a spectacular answer there, and what a massive help its been! Big grin You have told me everything I wanted to know and more. I cannot stress how appreciative I am of you spending time on this. You have been a massive help over the past few Weeks! Thanks!

    > I have been a bit reluctant to use the "P" mode, mainly because of the lack of information in the Panansonic Manual in explaining what it actually does. Thanks for clearing that up, and when I go to Manchester, I think I will try a mix of "A" mode, and "P" modes. I never knew about that EXIF Photo information thing, and me and my Dad are really pleased you can actually do that!  Smile

    Thanks for the answer, you have help me, and loads of others too  bigthumbsup 

    In a moment, I will post a few more of my best images, just to see what you think  Wink

    Cheers, Ryan
    SIGNALONE  bigthumbsup 


    User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

    Hi,

    Here are a few more of my best Pictures, and a question for you all:

    Is there any way of making a Photo like this Thomsonfly any better, when using Photo editing software?
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids1140505046.jpg

    These are a few more of my best, click for bigger versions.  Wink

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids2140505027.jpg
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids2140505015.jpg
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids2140505011.jpg

    Myself, I think most of the problems stated above to do with light apply to these few aswell, but I would be happy to hear some views!

    BTW, all of my Photos which are of a certain standard are now on My Website

    Cheers, and thanks for the help  Wink
    SIGNALONE

    Cheers, Ryan


    User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

    Hi,

    Sorry about all the posts, I could not add this onto my last post, as this message kept telling me the thread had been deleted.

    What can be the problem here? I was not using any digital zoom, and this has wrecked quite a few of my Photos. I think it may be HeatHaze? or something to do with heat?



    Cheers, Ryan.  Smile


    User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

    Quoting SignalOne (Reply 13):
    What can be the problem here? I was not using any digital zoom, and this has wrecked quite a few of my Photos. I think it may be HeatHaze? or something to do with heat?

    Most probably heat haze. One of the things that can kill a photo. It look's like that aircraft was on a taxiway, and you was shooting over the runway.

    There's good things and theres bad things about summer, it's great that you can shoot till 9pm at night, but it's also bad that we get so much heat haze! Sad

    Bring on the Winter!  Wink

    Simon



    Simon - London-Aviation.com
    User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 831 posts, RR: 24
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
    AIRLINERS.NET CREW
    DATABASE EDITOR

    Yep,

    That's heat-haze. Can kill a photo even over short distances.

    Best regards,

    Jim



    Erm, is this thing on?
    User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

    Hi,

    Any chance of this edited Bmibaby getting on here? If not, I am guessing its because of the reasons stated above, or if its another reason, feel free to comment!  bigthumbsup 

    Click for a slightly larger image  Wink

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NOTS2_filteredo.jpg

    Thanks everyone, I should be going to East Mids this weekend with all your tips onboard, and a new selection of Photography spots at the Airport to explore!

    Cheers, Ryan
    SIGNALONE Big grin


    User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1296 posts, RR: 16
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

    The quality of the pic is ok, how big is the original? I think standard size for an A.net pic is 1024X768 which is 4X3, or 1024X683 which is 3X2. One tip, try to get as much of the aircraft in the frame as possible in your final edited shot. I edited the BMI Baby just to show you how close I would have cropped it.
    http://img77.echo.cx/my.php?image=nots2filteredo2dj.jpg
    You can even crop it all the way to the wings if you wanted to. Nice start though for your first pics.
    -Matt



    Jetwash Images - Feel the Heat!!!
    User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

    Hi,

    Firstly, let me thankyou for spending your time cropping that picture for me and helping me out!  bigthumbsup  Thanks, I am very appreciative of that.

    Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 17):
    The quality of the pic is ok, how big is the original?

    The original was 1024x767, its just the Photobucket account shrunk it  Sad I am going to crop it, and report back to you  Smile

    Thanks for your help, Ryan


    User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

    What do I think? YOU SUCK! Big grin

    Just kidding..

    Your off to a good start. You have some lighting issues but nothing major. Make sure that sun is behind you when you shoot. A couple of the pics of the 747 were great, just need some work. Also get a better lens. You need some more zoom. Keep snapping away and learning!


    User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

    Hi,

    Here is the cropped version, again too small, but you can see the Photo well generally.

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NOTS2_filteredos.jpg

    Having been able the see full size Photo, the quality has decreased a tiny bit, but things are still O.K

    Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
    Also get a better lens. You need some more zoom.

    I am going to look into this around Christmas time, but its a digital with a fixed 12x Optical Zoom, so I dont know if I can extend it?

  • I have been doing some more editing, all-though I still think this shot isn't quite good enough to get on here. (Right wing is off Photo, too much reflection)

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/Ryanair_filtered.jpg

    practice makes perfect, and I am in no rush  

    Cheers, Ryan 

    [Edited 2005-05-19 21:27:45]

  • User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

    Hey Ryan,

    Hmmmm. I have to say if you want to get serious about pic taking invest in a Digital SLR. It's expensive but well worth it. With a good lens you will improve your pics so much. You are taking good pictures with a point and shoot so with a little practice and a SLR you could get some nice shots. GOOD LUCK!


    User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

    Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
    I have to say if you want to get serious about pic taking invest in a Digital SLR

    Username: SignalOne
    Real Name: Ryan Mcgrath
    E-mail: Contact
    Gender: Male
    Age: 13-15
    Country: United Kingdom

    Unless you have very rich parents or do a bank robbery you could have long wait Big grin

    Fergul mentioned "Elements" as photo editing suite earlier. Have a look on eBay. There are usually copies of it available fairly cheaply, often being sold by people who have had it arrive with a scanner or a camera.


    User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

    Hi,

    Quoting Willo (Reply 22):
    Unless you have very rich parents or do a bank robbery you could have long wait

    It will be a long wait, as I have only this month brought the Panasonic DMC-FZ5 for £209, that's what I am using to take these shots.  Wink

    Quoting Willo (Reply 22):
    Fergul mentioned "Elements" as photo editing suite earlier. Have a look on eBay. There are usually copies of it available fairly cheaply, often being sold by people who have had it arrive with a scanner or a camera.

    I have Jasc Paintshop 8 and Adobe Photoshop 7, I got them both for £5 off ebay, and they work perfectly!  Smile Its just getting used to using them, things should improve though. Big grin

    Cheers, Ryan


    User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 7
    Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

    Ryan,

    I'm going to join the chorus in congratulating you on your first shots. Very good for a first time effort.

    With regards to digital SLRs, I would say for now keep using that new camera of yours. I would expect with practice and using the optimum settings on your camera, you should be able to get some nice shots into the a.net database. In a while (months? years?) you will probably want to get a DSLR, but for now a rather high-end P&S like yours will work just fine.

    A346Dude



    You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
    25 NIKV69 : I hear you. I feel that only DSLRs have the capability to take action shots with the quality you are looking for. You can do fine with your current c
    26 Newark777 : I have been doing some more editing, all-though I still think this shot isn't quite good enough to get on here. (Right wing is off Photo, too much ref
    27 Post contains links and images SignalOne : Hi, Defiantly, a Digital SLR will be an excellent buy in a few years. We was going to invest in one, but my Dad felt that as we where sharing the Came
    28 Post contains images GPHOTO : I think most of us who have used NeatImage have got overzealous at times! It is actually a powerful tool that, if used sensitively and correctly, can
    29 Post contains images Newark777 : Well spotted! I have since ceased using this program as I have decided that I would be better off learning about other ways to reduce noise. To be hon
    30 Post contains links and images SignalOne : Hi, I went down to East Midlands Again today, I went to the usual Diseworth Road spot as it was not sunny, and I tried out a new location. Then it sta
    31 European : Hello I love the DHL 757 Yellow. And I love the first BmiBaby And the second on the first thread! cya Jimmi
    32 Post contains images SignalOne : Hi, Does anyone have any ideas of how I could increase the Optical Zoom on my Panasonic DMC-FZ5? Is there any attachmenrs or something? Also, would I
    33 GPHOTO : According to the DPReview website, third party add-on lenses are available. However, I would be careful at trying to increase your level of optical zo
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