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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

Hello,

I recently uploaded a contrail photo on which I played with color levels quite a bit.
A screener told me once via msn messenger that he sees no problems in uploading them like that.

Well, it got badcolor:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ig/160305_-2-Emirates777200_15.jpg

I decided to upload it because there are several like this in the DB.


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Are photos like this not acceptable anymore in general? I'm just curious because then I won't try sthg like that again even though I prefer it over a "normal" blue sky.

Thanks.
Florian


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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

Florian

I personally think yours is of equal, if not better quality than the two you have posted!
just my thoughts

Fergul Big grin  sun 

PS Nice pic!



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User currently offlineJofa From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 320 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

How shots manipulated with that ammount of Level/Curves ever got in the database is beyond me. I would like to see people try that with a regular takeoff or landingshot.

User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5602 times:

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 1):
if not better quality than the two you have posted!

Fergul, thanks but that's not the point.

I'm just curious why mine got rejected, if these photos are still allowed?



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 3):
Fergul, thanks but that's not the point

I know, sorry but can't help you there Florian, you need a screener's input here.

Take care

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineTin67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 268 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

I think these are a classic case of Photoshop auto-adjustment.

Mine come out like this too if I apply auto-adjustment, but I know that the sky isn't that dark so I agree that these should be rejected.

I think these shots have a place on Anet, but with the correct colour/contrast balance.

Martin


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Im with Martin on this never been a fan of these "adjusted" shots, does seem strange that having accepted shots like this they are now being rejected...

User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

Quoting Tin67 (Reply 5):
Mine come out like this too if I apply auto-adjustment

It's not auto-adjustment Martin, auto-adj. makes it completely dark, with the aircraft almost not visible anymore.

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 6):
does seem strange that having accepted shots like this they are now being rejected...

That's exactly what I would like to know. I know it's a matter of taste, but I prefer these kind of contrail photos over the normal ones.

Crew input and help would be appreciated.

Florian

[Edited 2005-05-16 13:19:38]


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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5494 times:
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We are currently discussing this internally. Will let you all know here what the outcome will be.

Cheers

Tim



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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Thank you so much Tim! No need to hurry, take your time! I'm patient!  Smile


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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

I too am in the camp of liking the nice blue sky shots and not the black ones. To me they are just unnatural! Great if you like them but not for me!

No offence ment at all, i like your shot! Just i prefer the blue skys! hehe

Chris



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5479 times:

Blue sky for me also..... I love contrail photo's but imho the skies ment to be blue and it should stay that way. As Chris says "No offence ment at all.i like your shot".

Simon C  Smile



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User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

I had never noticed these shots in the data base and am honestly quite astonished that this kind of "generous" manipulation was ever accepted, considering that even fine colour tints at "normal" shots lead to a "badcolour" rejection...

Please, no offence, I am just genuinly surprised!

Cheers,
Tom


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5401 times:
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No offence to anyone with contrail shots.. but I have an issue with them.
This site continually maintains it is a db of aircraft, not a photo gallery.
Indeed to that end, mildly creative or manipulated photos of aircraft are rejected.

What value, apart from an aesthetic one, do contrail shots add to this db?
They certainly do not add to the "record" or history of a particular aircraft.

Don't get me wrong I think some of the contrail shots on this site are awesome, I just don't get the relationship between them and a "db"
Why are they such a feature yet other "artistic" photos are ruthlessly rejected?

Regards

Chris



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

The black bacgrounds are un-natural.


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User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Hi Florian..

I've started a topic about this problem and you participated too...but no A.net staff did participate..
As Tim says it would be perfect to clarify this 'problem'.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ation_photography/read.main/177066


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 13):
What value, apart from an aesthetic one, do contrail shots add to this db?

Chris,

What a value, apart from an aesthetic one, do the thousands of sunset / sunrise / silhouette photos have then? Sometimes none! But the value clearly isn't the point, it's about the aesthetics!

So it's with contrails I'd say.

As I said before, everyone has its own taste, I do like em, if you don't of course that's perfectly fine. I just want to get help on why earlier they got in but apparently now not anymore.

As Tim said, they're discussing the issue, so I'd like to wait for their decision without discussing personal tastes any further.

Thanks,
Florian

[Edited 2005-05-16 16:34:24]


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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5342 times:
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Florian,
I totally agree but there are so many other instances where aesthetics or any semblance of creativity is rejected. I actually like some of the sunset/rise and contrail photos but have seen many other "creative" photos thrown out on the "this is a database" premise.

I also agree let's see what the crew comes up with..

Chris



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

Florian why not try to submit them with the sky back to the correct colour.

It will be interesting to see if they get in.....  Smile



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5291 times:
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does seem strange that having accepted shots like this they are now being rejected...

Come on Paul  Smile Surely you know the standards are always under review, always evolving...I mean, what gets in today might not get in tomorrow, right?


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User currently offlineTomTurner From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 247 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5272 times:

Its like chalk across an old fashioned black board. Nothing looks like that.

Almost as if we had glowing contrails in the middle of the night.

I was surprised to see similar shots accepted that way in the last year or two.

Doesn't bother me at all, but the trend for all/most other types of shots is total intollerance of any manipulation.


User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Hey

I think it's a great photo Florian........

Cya

Jimmi

[Edited 2005-05-16 18:03:28]

User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 18):
Florian why not try to submit them with the sky back to the correct colour.

Simon, because I think with normal "blue" sky, it looks boring. It lacks in contrast and just isn't interesting in my opinion. I'd like to get the photo accepted like I linked in the first post above, not in normal blue. If the crew decides not to accept these photos anymore I'll have to agree on that and will keep it for my personal collection.



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 22):
Simon, because I think with normal "blue" sky, it looks boring. It lacks in contrast and just isn't interesting in my opinion. I'd like to get the photo accepted like I linked in the first post above, not in normal blue. If the crew decides not to accept these photos anymore I'll have to agree on that and will keep it for my personal collection.

But then technically your manipulating the sky to a colour it shouldn't actually be!



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User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 23):
But then technically your manipulating the sky to a colour it shouldn't actually be!

So what's about polarizers?
It should be a point in between both sides, not so black neither so white..

Enrique


25 INNflight : Manipulation isn't the same always. Talk about filters? I never actually manipulate photos in a way that does count as manipulation here on anet and
26 Post contains images NonRevKing : Well, I can tell you why one of them was. All you need to do is look below the photo! And if some of the screeners and Johan are interested at all in
27 Post contains images TS : Just apply as a moderator so you can lock threads.
28 Clickhappy : Brian, the difference with the change that affected you was the site was in violation of the terms of service agreed upon to the people hosting Airlin
29 Post contains links and images NonRevKing : Royal, I have too much respect for you to let you believe that. You know the real reason the Hooters photos were deleted, and so do I. But I'm sure w
30 Post contains links Cathay111 : Having seen these "manipulated" images appear with some regularity it had left me pondering should the "badmanipulation" rule apply here. Have a look
31 Post contains links and images StealthZ : If manipulated contrail shots are fine, jury is stil out on that though it seems some screeners even head screeners think they are... Then is that not
32 10boomer : I couldn't agree more. I've been flying for 16 years and the only time I've seen the sky look like that is in photos taken by SR-71 and U-2 pilots at
33 Post contains links INNflight : Rob, If you had a look at this link: http://www.airliners.net/search/similarity_search.php?photo_id=757888 Apparently the line should be AFTER the co
34 INNflight : Was the screening team able to make a decision yet? I don't want this thread to get lost in the archive without receiving help on wether they're allow
35 Granite : Florian Has not been forgotten about. One head screener away on business so awaiting his return for his input. Regards Gary
36 INNflight : Thank you very much for the reply Gary! Really appreciate that! I will wait patiently!
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