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Rejection Assistance : VS A340-600  
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Hey all,

Im not usually one to complain about rejection's but this one baffled me.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...?filename=GVSHYVSA346LHR070505.jpg

It got rejected for Badquality and BadCommon.

Ok, theres 118 shots of this aircraft on the database, but this isn't a common angle - so I would of thought this would elminate it from the Badcommon rejection.

Can someone tell me if im missing something here?

I look forward into hearing some replies.

Simon

[Edited 2005-05-16 20:55:01]


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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

That is a swet shot! The only issue with quality I could see is that the sky looks kind of grainy. Did you sharpen the whole pic or just the plane? I am not one to answer the bad common question, but the quality issue might be because there are so many pics of this a/c that the picture needs to be flawless. Just my opinion, I really like it though.
-Matt



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 1):
That is a swet shot! The only issue with quality I could see is that the sky looks kind of grainy. Did you sharpen the whole pic or just the plane? I am not one to answer the bad common question, but the quality issue might be because there are so many pics of this a/c that the picture needs to be flawless. Just my opinion, I really like it though.
-Matt

Thank's for your comments!

I only sharpened the plane..the grain might be there as I had to lighten up the shot quiet a lot.

Simon.



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User currently offlineC133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3709 times:
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If that was rejected it's time for me to find a new hobby. Awesome shot, Simon.

Terry



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

Yep agree with Matt...

The aircraft is awsome. Very sharp and one i would have uploaded also. But the sky does have more grain than normal which seems odd. Even more so seeing as the aircraft is so sharp....

As for bad common. I cant stand that rejection so im not even going there  Smile

Keep it up
Simon C
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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 4):
The aircraft is awsome. Very sharp and one i would have uploaded also. But the sky does have more grain than normal which seems odd. Even more so seeing as the aircraft is so sharp....

Thanks for your response.

The grain may be appearing when I convert from RAW to Tiff format....The Program that I use (Raw Shooter Essentials) has been known to do that.



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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3628 times:
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Quoting Airplanepics (Thread starter):
Ok, theres 118 shots of this aircraft on the database, but this isn't a common angle - so I would of thought this would elminate it from the Badcommon rejection.

"would of" is Essex speak... "would have" is more becoming of one who does not speak with a Thames Estuary drawl.

badcommon is not eliminated in this way... the screener was saying that the quality was not sufficiently for an aircraft with this number of existing images. The angle (or composition) is a little difference from normal, but not so wildly unusual as to warrant lowering the "100+" standard.

Please appeal the shot if necessary.

Tamsin



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 6):
"would of" is Essex speak... "would have" is more becoming of one who does not speak with a Thames Estuary drawl.

You'd know all about that spending most of your evenings in Essex.

Edit: Im not going to appeal as I agree with the badquality rejection, but what I dont agree on is the badcommon reason....especially when this is one of the only pictures of this a/c at this location when there are tons of side on approach shots at Myrtle.

[Edited 2005-05-17 00:07:43]


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User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 7):
You'd know all about that spending most of your evenings in Essex.

SOMEONE GET THAT KID A LOLLY POP!! LMFAO!!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Cheers Simon, you made my evening.

Justin  Smile


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 7):
Quoting Tamsin (Reply 6):
"would of" is Essex speak... "would have" is more becoming of one who does not speak with a Thames Estuary drawl.

You'd know all about that spending most of your evenings in Essex.

Oooh a fight and this isnt even non aviation  Wink  box   fight 

Oh, and nice pic by the way  Wink



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Hi Simon - I think the answer is in your own reply. To paraphrase, you had to lighten the shot up, hence the grainy sky.

To a degree, there are alot of these '27R type shots' appearing on the database at the moment as photographers are trying to defy the laws of physics and shot when the sun hasn't quite swung round! In truth, there's only a small window of opportunity during the year to do these shots. On the flip side of the coin, there's alot of photographers 'enhancing' their 9M-MPD shots (i.e. bumping up the reds I suspect), taken of the 18.00 arrival as the sun is right on the nose of an evening, resulting in a dark body.


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Oooh a fight and this isnt even non aviation

What do you expect? No one has the right to say something like that, especially if it's a screener.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Oh, and nice pic by the way

Thanks!
Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 10):
To a degree, there are alot of these '27R type shots' appearing on the database at the moment as photographers are trying to defy the laws of physics and shot when the sun hasn't quite swung round!

You can still get some very nice shot's from that location this time of year. It's just getting there at the right time.

Simon.
Edit: Tim, I will get round to doing that work flow guide for you!

[Edited 2005-05-17 00:28:15]


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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

OK - here we go:


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With the Etihad B767, the sun hasn't swung around, hence the back-lit side. With the DLH CRJ, Mike has caught it nicely before it has turned fully onto 27L.

With the Syrian Airbus and ANA B747, you can clearly see the sun on the nose. This said, I like the Pokemon shot but as it's taken around 16.00, so hence the light is falling to the right of the aircraft. This said, as with the Pokemon example, (as with all aircraft photography) it isn't necessarily about getting a perfect, illuminated, side-on and sun lit shot.

Hope this helps.

PS Simon - I would still like your PS advice!


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Simon - our replies have crossed. Agreed, you can get nice shots but as you note, alot is about timing. Cheers, Tim.

User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

I was right next to Mike when he shot that.  Wink


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User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 6):
badcommon is not eliminated in this way... the screener was saying that the quality was not sufficiently for an aircraft with this number of existing images. The angle (or composition) is a little difference from normal, but not so wildly unusual as to warrant lowering the "100+" standard.

not to ruffle feathers, but the most recent shot of this aircraft to be accepted is:

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There were 117 photos of this aircraft in the database (many, many looking very similar to number 118) and a screener chose to accept it.

I disagree with badcommon!



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User currently offlineC133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3512 times:
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And these two weren't a double?

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User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 7):
You'd know all about that spending most of your evenings in Essex.

 box 

 rotfl 


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
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Simon

Nice angle and nice light but think your post processing on this one stinks!

Start from scratch and AVOID selecting specific areas for sharpening. If you want to sharpen, sharpen the whole image.

Simon, if you want, send me the original after 5.00pm and I will have a look myself.

Regards

Gary

[Edited 2005-05-17 10:09:41]

User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3413 times:
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Lovely shot Simon.
A quick question what sort of lens did you use for this shot.?
Im impressed with the sharpness of it thanks again.
Cheers



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting Granite (Reply 18):

Simon, if you want, send me the original after 5.00pm and I will have a look myself.

Thank's for you help Gary, I will send it over later! Good Luck!

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 19):
Lovely shot Simon.
A quick question what sort of lens did you use for this shot.?
Im impressed with the sharpness of it thanks again.
Cheers

I used a 70-200F4 L with a 2x Extender.

Simon  Smile



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Simon,

First time I've seen your VS A346 shot, and it looks very nice... BUT, aside from what's already been said the tail is grossly soft, particularly the word "Virgin" on the tail. You're shooting the longest passenger carrying airplane in the world there, and you need significant depth of field to get both front and back sharp. Suggest you shoot it again, with a much smaller aperture.

Andy


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Quoting Skymonster (Reply 21):
First time I've seen your VS A346 shot, and it looks very nice... BUT, aside from what's already been said the tail is grossly soft, particularly the word "Virgin" on the tail. You're shooting the longest passenger carrying airplane in the world there, and you need significant depth of field to get both front and back sharp. Suggest you shoot it again, with a much smaller aperture.

Andy,

Many thank's for your comments, will give it a try next time.
But what is still baffling me is how it received a badcommon rejection? Looking at posts 15 and 16, I can't see how this angle could warrant this type of rejection!

Simon  Smile



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Gotta say that 27R arrivals taken from the northside rock !!! Big grin I agree it is difficult and you can swear alot when editing, but with a bit of time and trouble you can get some cracking results. Even if the sun is in the wrong place..... Excuse the plug but what the hell im proud of these !!! Big grin  Smile


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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 23):
Gotta say that 27R arrivals taken from the northside rock !!! I agree it is difficult and you can swear alot when editing, but with a bit of time and trouble you can get some cracking results. Even if the sun is in the wrong place..... Excuse the plug but what the hell im proud of these !!!

Simon,

The best time to go there is early morning or when the sun is setting, not when there backlit!
Simon.



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25 Post contains images LGW : Hi all, I would have given this shot badinfo if I were a screener :- "Despite LHR being my main local airport" From Canvey Island STN, LCY, LTN and LG
26 Post contains images LHRSIMON : Thanks Simon I agree. Imho after 6.30 pm in late May untill the end of June is best.... But on this day i had to leave by 5.00 pm to do a Ice Hockey p
27 Post contains images Airplanepics : Proper Airport!
28 TZ : That's what YOU may choose to think Simon... The fundamental rejection reason was badquality, which you agree with. The badcommon rejection reason wa
29 Sulman : What a strange thread. So Simon has conceeded that the image could be better, and has agreed with the rejection, after some discussion. That's the way
30 TZ : If I caused offence, sorry Simon. It was intended as tongue-in-cheek banter. Having unwillingly spent far longer in Essex than I would ever care to ad
31 Post contains images Airplanepics : No hard feelings Tamsin. It was tounge-in cheek banter.
32 Post contains images Granite : Hi all ........back to the original topic........Simon's A340 is looking a lot better now Regards Gary
33 Post contains images Airplanepics : It is Gary, it is!
34 Spencer : Just a query here, and not a whole lot to do with the original post, but your kind of shot Simon/Airplanepics, the way the aircraft is angled as it pu
35 G-CIVP : Come 18.00 in the evening at the moment, you can hardly fail!
36 JumboJim747 : Sorry Simon i dint pick up on this point until now. Did you use manual focus as i tried to use a 2x with my 70-200L f4 and it didn't focus . If you d
37 Airplanepics : Hi Jim, You can only use a 1.4 convertor and still retain the AF, with a 2x convertor on the F4, you lose AF completly. Simon.[Edited 2005-05-19 00:1
38 Chris78cpr : Not technically true. On a 1d or 1ds you can still retain AF. I have used my 70-200F4L witha 2x and i kept AF. Also if you tape the pins you can keep
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