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Photo Usage Request From Airbus  
User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

Has anyone else received a request along these lines:

"Dear Sir,

My name is Bernard de l'Estoile, I am working in the marketing department of Airbus in Toulouse, and we would like to use this picture for one of our PowerPoint presentation.

Unfortunately, we have no budget for that.

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Bernard de l'Estoile"



In fact the request is to use a picture of a Boeing 747, not an Airbus product!

I don't like to be mercenary about these things but considering that this is one of the two largest aircraft manufacturers in the world I find it a bit hard to accept that Airbus is unable to pay even a nominal fee for photo usage.

What do others think?

Fergal

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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Then it must be one like this.  Wink


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If it's for only a PowerPoint presentation I would grant permission.

Georg.


User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5616 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
ARTICLE EDITOR

 redflag Don't forget to read between the lines: redflag 

"Dear Sir,

My name is Bernard de l'Estoile, I am working in the marketing department of Airbus in Toulouse, and we would like to use this picture for one of our PowerPoint presentation. We plan to use YOUR picture in our sales pitch to rich customers from West Asia. We hope that your beautiful picture of the Boeing 747 will contribute to our success in showing how our million $ planes will be superior buys for them

Unfortunately, we have no budget for that.

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Bernard de l'Estoile"



World Wide Aerospace Photography
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

I wouldn't give it for free.

Staffan


User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

I just find it very hard to believe that Airbus would be asking to use pictures.

But I agree, if it's legit, then let them use it and make sure to credit you.

cheers,
Phil



HoustonSpotters Admin - Canon junkie - Aviation Nut
User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

Sure, let them use it for free. Your camera was free and you don't work (or go to school) so you have plenty of free time on your hands.
Because of this kind of behavior of some photographers from airliners.net other photographers suffer. This month alone I lost two sales to a freebe.
In both emails people were asking me how much I would charge their companies for the picture. One would be in newspaper ad, about 1/4 of the page, and the second for advertisement brochure for HUGE company based in California.
I went to the lowest levels for picture pricing. For one picture I requested payment of $150, and for second $100.
Unfortunately in both cases I've got replay from potential customers that they are not interested anymore because they've got free pictures from other photographers just for credit. But they would still use my picture if I granted them permission just for the credit alone.
$250 that's nice 300GB external hard drive to store my photos that are coming and coming every month.
If your request was from University or non-profit organization then let them use it for free. Here we are talking about AIRBUS. Corporation that has offices almost in every country on every continent.
What you will gain from the credit in PowerPoint presentation? Nothing, they don't even have to put your name on the slide show because you won't see it.

Well, its your picture and you can do with it whatever you want.

Good luck,
Rafal


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

I am sure Airbus cruises A.net for pictures. I have seen Boeing using A.net materials for internal AND external stuff  Smile

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5526 times:

Ask them for a free flight on the A380  Wink


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

Airbus = Commercial company

No Budget = No Photo



Easy as 1, 2, 3



Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Ridicolous request; indeed an insult - Airbus is lowering themselves in saying "they don't have a budget for that"

If this email really originated from Airbus.. don't do that


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Quoting Irish251 (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, we have no budget for that

Yeah right!!!  rotfl 

Forget it Fergal, You know these guys better than I do. What's their e-mail address, might be a clue as to who really is sending it.

Fergul  sun 



Zambian Airways, Where the Eagles fly free!!
User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Don't give it for free. If they don't want to pay, at least try to get an exclusive tour at their facilities, a couple of free models or something like that. Nothing is for free nowadays.

I wonder how they would feel if SQ came to them 'Hi, we would like to use some of your A380's for our flights. Unfortunately we have no budget for that. Thanks in advance and best regards'  Wink

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

It's either a joke or a placement student wanting to do a project or something like that.

Can you check the headers in the email and see what the sender IP address is then go to www.ripe.net (for europe) or another IP searcher to find out who owns the address. If it's genuine airbus then the owner should be airbus

E.g. the following from an "I've got millions in a bank and want to get it out of the country and I'll give you 10%" type of email. The received from IP is 80.44.179.91 comes back as being registered to Tiscali.co.uk despite his email being a yahoo.de address and the return path being at sina.com, normally a good sign that all's not OK.

Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ENG-FS15 (Mercury 1.48); 14 May 05 18:59:06 BST
Return-path:
Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (130.88.94.110) by fs15.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP;
14 May 05 18:58:45 BST
Received: from dsl-80-44-179-91.access.as9105.com ([80.44.179.91] helo=sina.com)
by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD))
id 1DX0uP-0003no-5g
From: TAYLOR JOHNSON
To:
Subject: YOUR ADVICE AND HELP
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
Reply-To: TAYLOR JOHNSON
mime-version: 1.0
X-Spam-Score: 20.4 (++++++++++++++++++++)

www.arin.net is another option for IP addresses in the US



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User currently offlineAnder From Spain, joined Jan 2005, 367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Doesn't sound too credible.
I don't give away pics to commercial companies. Only particulars.
When I went to B&H to get my new lens I did not even think of asking it
for free. Why do people keep asking for free shots??
Good luck
Ander



Born to tri.
User currently offlineFotodj From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

"Why do people keep asking for free shots??"

Ander,

Beacause, still there are plenty of IDIOTS who give away pictures for free !
And this hurts rest of us, who spent a lot of money for decent equipment
and tons of time to learn, travel and get a good quality pictures .....

Rule number one:
DO NOT GIVE AWAY PICTURES TO ANYONE FOR FREE because sooner or later you will be a loser trying to sell image and loosing the sale to some JERK who's trying to be a good samaritan.

Dariusz "FotoDJ"



Polishman in New York
User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

So Airbus really is losing money if they can't afford a photo budget......................what a laugh.

I take each request on a case by case basis, and this is definitely one where I would say charge for usage, they can certainly pay a small fee for use of your photo.

Mike
lgbguy



"Airliner Photography is not a crime"
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting Fotodj (Reply 14):
DO NOT GIVE AWAY PICTURES TO ANYONE FOR FREE because sooner or later you will be a loser trying to sell image and loosing the sale to some JERK who's trying to be a good samaritan.

Depends on the case! I am member of an Association. We are completely non-pofit, and indeed we are even paying lots of private money to rent a room, have a webpage etc (that time being students it was quite tough). I found an amazing AI pic on a.net. I asked the photographer whether we could use it for an article, explained him the financial situation and offered him to link/reference (and a tax exemption receipt) and utterly appreciate. He answered that he sees no problem and indeed is happy that we didn't just use it without asking, as he would never have been able to keep track.


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5169 times:

Thanks for all the comments - they echo my own sentiments, i.e. that I don't mind not-for-profit organisations using my photos without charge, but that the "big boys" should pay, just as they would if buying the shot from a commercial source. I have responded to the requester in this case and await his reply (if any).

Fergal


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

I would ask in return to see the PowerPoint when they are done!

-Dan



A guy asks 'What's Punk?'. I kick over a trash can and its punk. He knocks over a trash can and its trendy.
User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

Quoting Lindy (Reply 5):
Sure, let them use it for free. Your camera was free and you don't work (or go to school) so you have plenty of free time on your hands.
Because of this kind of behavior of some photographers from airliners.net other photographers suffer. This month alone I lost two sales to a freebe.

Rafal,

Your point is well taken. If this is really Airbus, then they should be willing to pay a nominal fee to use the photo. My suggestion was a little short-sighted.

The only comment that I have is that it must be exceeedingly difficult these days to maintain a profession as a photographer. Let's face it - any nutbag with three grand can go buy a "compu-cam" setup and produce good results. With a little practice and a little more luck (i.e. right place, right time), said nutbag can compete with professionals.

Phil



HoustonSpotters Admin - Canon junkie - Aviation Nut
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5101 times:
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This is a phenomenon seen in the conference and event business for some time, a company will invest large amounts of money in professional AV for all departments to look as good as possible but always some guy.. Often the "IT" dept would insist they could do just as good a job with PowerPoint!!
Needless to say whose presentation looked CR4P!!
Now they think they can be photographer as well.. or at least use the photos for free!!

My real fear here is this is a "phishing" scam of some type

Regards

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 17):
I have responded to the requester in this case and await his reply (if any).

Do you feel like posting your reply here for our information? It is realy an interesting question to be followed up!


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

I have received the following reply from Airbus and have no reason not to believe that it is genuinely Airbus who made the request:

"Dear Sir,

Thanks for your message, but I unfortunately confirm you that we have no budget allocated to that request.

I therefore do confirm, that we won't use your picture.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Bernard de l'Estoile
Marketing Analyst - A380
CVMAN
AIRBUS"


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 22):
"but I unfortunately confirm you that we have no budget allocated to that request" - Marketing Analyst - A380

Fantastic! Airbus lowering themselves in such manner.... incredible  Wink


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4955 times:
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In the competitive commercial world there is some "honour amongst thieves" If he really wanted "free" B747 photos his opposite number at Boeing would likely oblige.. or did he want specific airline images for some ambush marketing??


Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
25 Rol : I just can't believe it. I'm completely speechless... Roland
26 Key : Don't think so. That is, not for customers with an eye for quality. Said nutbag may have a few lucky ones but will get no further without (self-?) ed
27 Unique : It's for an internal presentation, everything else is pure speculation! I agree if you live from your pictures, i.e. you're a professional photog. As
28 Key : Maybe because of reply #5? And making money with it in this case is no speculation: the message says it's the marketing department, Airbus is a multi
29 Post contains links and images SKYMASTER : Airbus have a picture budget. I know the A.net photographer "Reika". He have received a request from EADS / CASA (part of Airbus) and paid 100 € for
30 Unique : Your camera was free and you don't work (or go to school) so you have plenty of free time on your hands. Agree, but I didn't know that you only go sp
31 Philhyde : Yeah, but in this case, the "eye for quality" is a sales person. No offense, but it probably doesn't represent the pinnacle of photographic critique.
32 Key : @ Unique You've guessed it, I don't do this for the money but now you're turning it around... Absolutely! @ Philhyde Got a point. Still I don't see mr
33 Lindy : Unique, I can see you don't understand my statement. Most of us go to the airport for our pleasure, not with the mind set for sale. BUT, if company l
34 Post contains images LHRSIMON : I would tell them to to take a long walk off a short pier !!! Why should we be a charity.... You cant go into a showroom and buy a car just due to the
35 Post contains links and images Lindy : To make you feel better I just lost sale from Saab "Thanks for the quick reply, Rafal. Unfortunately I do not have a budget to purchase photo rights.
36 StealthZ : Rafal, I fear we will have to get used to this, with many well meaning amateurs (many here obviously) prepared to work for free(or very cheap) this is
37 Post contains images KLGAviation : Guys, They DO have a budget for that. They just think that they can get the easy way out because the "average" amateur would just give away their phot
38 Post contains images Fiveholer : Interesting, I find it very hard to believe that Airbus doesn't have the "budget" to purchase a photo. Sheesh, hopefully, they won't use it as they st
39 Post contains images Apuneger : I'm almost 100% sure they even have a budget for the purchase of coffee Anyway, if they don't want to pay it's their loss... Ivan
40 Malandan : A bit 'off thread', I'm afraid, but I filed away (too well, it appears) a list of suggested charges for the commercial use of photographs. Would someo
41 Post contains links and images Fergulmcc : How Much To Charge For Electronic Use? (by SmAlbany Apr 13 2005 in Aviation Photography) Archived now but is this what you're looking for Malcolm? Fer
42 Post contains images Malandan : Ah Fergul, what would we do without you - exactly what I was looking for. Thanks again, Malcolm.
43 Post contains images Fergulmcc : You're welcome Malcolm Take care Fergul
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