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Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?  
User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Hi all

recently I decided to try 2 rolls of Fuji Sensia 100. The results can be seen for example at:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/b738_aea_ec-gpi_2_sva.jpg
or
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/a332_ek_a6-eag_3_spa.jpg

I found the results better, than with Elitechrome 100. But that's of course difficult, as I would have to try the films at the same day and under the same conditions.

However, I think, I'll stick with Fuji. My question is only: are Fuji Provia better suited for aircraft photograpy than Sensia? Should I try it? Does anybody have any experiences with both films?

Thanks in advance and kind regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

The Sensia 100 is Ok and I guess many people use it. Provia is better because it has a finer grain but it's more expensive. I don't think there is such a big difference between Sensia and Provia. The Sensia is also very good for aviation photography. If I were you I'd definitely try a roll of Provia just to see how it turns out. Try both film on the same day. I think the difference will be mostly about grain but not too big. You don't necessarily need the Provia to make good pics but I would say it's the best film around.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
(I was talking about the Sensia 100 BTW. The Sensia 200 is in my eyes too grainy for shots in good light - noticably worse than Provia. Take the 100 instead as long as the light isn't too bad)


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

If you want examples of Provia, look up Charles Falk in the database. He uses 100 and some I tink are 400 speed too

Martin

Oh BTW, that Emirates A330 is a shoe-in


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Provia 400? I didn't even know, there are Provia 400. But the next time I go for spotting, I will possibly try both, the Sensia 100 and the Provia 100, which isn't very easy to find, BTW.

Aer Lingus: "Oh BTW, that Emirates A330 is a shoe-in"

I hope, it means, you like the pic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy As english isn't my mother language, I don't understand every expression...

Thanks for the comments so far.

Kind regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Hi Gerardo,
At least i think there is a 400 speed provia  Smile

Oh and yes by "it being a shoe-in" I meant that its a 100% guarantee of an acceptance. Excellent shot !!!

Martin


User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

I've never seen a Provia 400 and they don't have it on their website (?).
Here's some photographers' names with their films:
(hope you don't mind me doing this guys but you told that you're using these films here in the forum  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
Sensia: Florian Kondziela, Pixair
Provia: Charles Falk, Chris Coduto

(as far as I can remember)

I don't know if any of their pics were taken with those films.

Gerardo: Keep up the good work from ZRH!


User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/12362/

User currently offlineJasonm From Australia, joined May 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Hi Gerardo,

I generally use Sensia II also. It's a good consumer grade slide film. The Provia is a bit more expensive but fantastic quality and yields beautiful scans.

Here is one of my favorite shots that I feel shows Provia at it's best  Smile

By the way, I love your Emirates shot too! Well done!


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Jason Milligan



Jason Milligan
Melbourne Australia


User currently offlineBodobodo From Canada, joined May 2000, 553 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

I use a both Sensia II 100 and Provia 100F. I'll never claim that Sensia is as good as Provia but for most purposes it does a good job. It's my main film since it's quite a bit cheaper than Provia but it is definately grainier than Provia but most films are grainier than Provia. I find that Sensia II is a bit more forgiving of exposure errors than Provia. You can check out my photos on the site if you are interested under the name Felix Sieder.

Cheers,
Felix


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Whats with the story with Fujis ASTIA?

I learned that it too is a slide film just like Sensia ll and Provia series.
Can anyone tell me what good that film is and if it compares in quality/light to Provia or Sensia?

Are there some shots taken with ASTIA?

BO



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User currently offlineAirNikon From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Astia is a low-grain slide film, but lacks the contrast and saturation that Provia provides. I tried five-rolls of Astia once, and will never use it again.


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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2226 times:

Thanks for that link to the other interesting airliners.net topic. There are indeed good tips and I definitely will try the Provia 100 now.


Kind regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlinePaulc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2217 times:

All my pictures on Airliners.net are on Sensia II - have not tried Provia but maybe one day..... (after i win lottery)  Smile


English First, British Second, european Never!
User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Could you please show me photos from Sensia and photos from Provia. I like many of your pics and I want to compare.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Hi,

I switched to Provia last year and really love it. It's got just the right amount of saturation (Velvia is a little bit too saturated, I think), gives you an extra stop or so over K64, and has no detectable grain.

My only problem is in scanning, where I am still changing my system now and again, but have no intention in changing my film.

Provia 400F does exist, (there is even a 1600F) and I've shot a few rolls of it. There is a bit more grain, I'd say the performance and grain is about on par with Sensia II 200, but with an extra stop of speed. I don't plan to use it any more since I picked up my 70-200mm f/2.8, which gives plenty of light for 100 speed film, even in poor weather. But if you have a slow lens and you can't seem to make it work with 100 speed, try it out.

This is Provia 100F:

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk


Under a loupe, everything is as clear as anything you can imagine - absolutely no grain. The colors are also exactly what was there in front of me that day. Any fuzziness is due to some bluriness in my scanner which I have to try to correct.

This is Provia 400F:

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk


As you can see, there is more grain.

Provia is essentially a Sensia where they pushed the grain and color performance a bit more than would be possible with a consumer grade film (i.e. one which does not need to be refrigerated to have a shelf life of a couple of years.)

Charles


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Charles

the first pic with the Volare A320 has a bit of a grain on the dark side of the engines. Is that also "due to some bluriness in your scanner", which you mention in your post?

Gerardo



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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Yeah, I think it is 'noise' caused by the scanning. It usually appears in the dark parts of the scanning and is more obvious after sharpening.

User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Cfalk mentioned one interesting thing. Can you really store Sensia for years without a lack of quality? Any experiences, thoughts?

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Well, not a problem for me, as I have a 2nd fridge in the cellar with some bottles of beer and always some films  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Gerardo



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Gerardo,

Yeah, I got a little careless with compression and sharpening. I hope I've sorted that out - my current process is:

1) Scanning with Nikon software with a 1.1-1.2 gamma adjustment
2) Resize, crop and sharpen with Corel Photopaint
3) adjust saturation with Thumbsplus.

If at any point I get careless with jpeg conversion settings, I get those results - in addition, Johan compresses the files some more when they are added to the database.

Here's one where I got it right. Provia 100F again...

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Charles Falk



Charles


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

I forgot to mention - I only "discovered" the gamma adjustment feature in the past few weeks. Duh! My Nikon scanner tends to scan dark, and now I use the Gamma setting on the scanner software to fix that. But if you don't do it right, you get that scatter in the dark areas, like you see on the dark underbelly of the Volare.

Hell, all this time and I'm still learning. I'll probably change procedures again in a few weeks.

Blackened,

Sensia is a consumer grade film, which is made to be kept on store shelves for a good long time, just like Kodak Gold or other common brands. Provia is "professional" film, which means that its shelf life if stored above 15 degrees celsius (about 60 F) is only 1 or 2 months - obviously not long enough for the usual consumer, who might keep a loaded camera for months, and for stores not equiped with a fridge for films.

Charles


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Ah, yes! The MD11 pic looks better.

Thanks for the input.

Charles, you said, that you had problems scanning the Provia slides. Doe you have problems only with Provia 400 or also with 100? And are those problems hardware related (i.e. scanner driving you crazy) or is something you can fix with software settigs, as shown on the MD11 pic?

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

It's the scanner. It's driving me nuts. For one thing, I keep getting these vertical lines when the scanner hasn't warmed up yet - and it takes about an hour's worth of use before it's warmed up. Also, the pictures always seem a little out of focus, even at 2700 dpi and with the autofocus turned on - the slide itself is always much sharper.

By the time I've figured out a foolproof process, it'll be time for me to upgrade my scanner and start all over again!

Charles


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Boy, am I happy, that these problems are specifically related to your scanner  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Seriously: It would have been a mess, if I tried a new roll of Fuji Provia, only to find out, that these slides are hard to scan.

Regards
Gerardo



dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

They actually seem to be the easiest ones to scan. I've had more problems with Kodachrome and Elitechrome. Velvia also is tricky, but produces terific results if you figure it out.

Charles


25 Post contains links and images Bodobodo : Hi Lewis, Sorry for the delay. I didn't notice your post until now. These are some examples of Provia: Click for large versionPhoto © Felix Siede
26 Gerardo : Great pics, Felix! Could it be, that the colors on the provia pics are a tiny little bit "stronger" (more saturation?), than on the other pics? I had
27 Post contains images Bodobodo : Hi Gerardo, Thanks. It's possible that Provia's colours are a little more saturated (not at Velvia levels, though) but the problem is that I only shoo
28 Post contains images Blackened : I hope you're right about Sensia. I never dare to have one in the camera because it's not cool enough there. But I had some in the camera for months a
29 Lewis : Thanks! Great pics. What scanner do you use?
30 Bodobodo : Thanks. I'm using a Minolta Scan Dual II slide/negative scanner. Keep in mind, however, that the quality is somewhat degraded from what I first upload
31 Lewis : The thing is that I will be shooting slides (Provia) and I want a cheap scanner that can produce high quality scans. I was thinking about the Minolta
32 Dazed767 : I have a roll of Sensia II I haven't used yet. I've heard it sucks basicly. 'Computer like' results I've heard. I guess I'll have to try it out for my
33 Post contains images Cfalk : "and I want a cheap scanner that can produce high quality scans." That's what we all want! I use a Coolscan III, and hope to buy a Coolscan 4000 soon,
34 Post contains images Gerardo : I have a Minolta Dual Scan II since a 2 months and I must say, I simply LOVE it, specially together with the scan software Vuescan. As for the 50-slid
35 Gocaps16 : I used my first roll of Fuji Sensia II 100 film on June 15 at DCA. It's been over 5 business days and Ritz still says that my slides are not ready. Th
36 Post contains links Gerardo : Kevin, you're apparently in a similar situation than I. About two months ago, I bought also a new Minolta Dual Scan II and now I am looking for a good
37 EGGD : Wow all nice pics! I have tons of KR64 here, but once i have shot them all i was thinking of trying some Fuji Sensia, is it a good/bad idea? Also, my
38 Gocaps16 : Gerardo, Nice pictures. Finally I can get some blue sky, hehe. I hope my computer doesn't lock up while scanning slides. As for provia films, no photo
39 Post contains images Gerardo : Kevin, it was indeed the once thing which amazed me looking at my first bunch of Sensia-slides: the blue sky actually turned out blue on the slides. F
40 Post contains links and images Gerardo : Talking about a deep blue sky, that's what I meant: Click for large versionPhoto © Gerardo Dominguez THAT's blue, and I don't seem to get it with
41 Cfalk : Gerardo, I think you'll find that Provia is a tiny bit more neutral. The biggest difference is in the grain. There is none. Charles
42 Gerardo : Charles Besides the color, the most important for me (perhaps also for others) is indeed the grain. As I don't have much experience yet with slides: h
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