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User currently offlinePaulinbna From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1114 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
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I have a question about how to upload home made aircraft that have the name of the person that made it as manufactured on the FAA reg. Database like N102ML.

Thanks for letting me know.

Paul


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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Name: Paul Robbins
Email: Test@test.com
Aircraft: TWO EZ-MS1
Airline: Untitled
Aircraft Generic: Bowden Michael B
Place: Darwin - International (DRW/YPDN) Australia - Northern Territory (sure)
Comment: TEST
CN: 001
Code: Blank

That's my  twocents  on how one should upload it. In the end it will just say;

Untitled
TWO EZ-MS1

Hope that helps ya!

Matt



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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1738 times:
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"Bowden Michael B" is most definately not the "Aircraft Generic"... that's the name of the man who built it.

The Editors will soon contribute with the acurate version of what should be listed. I will not preempt them.

Tamsin



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User currently offlineInvader From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
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The correct way for uploading photos of homebuilts is to use the designer or kit manufacturer's name as the manufacturer's name.

An example is e.g. the Van's RV-6A: Van's is the designer and kit supplier, but e.g. in the US Register they are listed with the individual builder's name as the manufacturer. So you have e.g. an Achelis Scott RV-6A, an Ahrens David Lee RV-6A, a Rudolph Richard W RV-6A and 1300 or so more.

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Above, an "Amateur Van's" RV-6A and a "Barron Glenn" RV-6A

For our purposes this is unworkable, so we would list all those as Van's RV-6A. If you like, you can give the name of the real builder in the Remarks field.

In this case the generic type would be Van's RV-6 (generic types are without version pre- or suffixes), and the version type would be Van's RV-6A (thus including the version letter "A"). Please remember that the manufacturer's name must be listed both in the generic type and in the version type!

Of course, not everybody is a homebuilt type expert, and it can sometimes be (very) difficult to find out the designer or kit supplier. What you can do is the following: take only the model number from the Register, and then do a Google search with it. With a bit of effort the designer or kit supplier can often be found. It is fun and it will increase your knowledge quickly.

Of course, there are also unique aircraft, designed and built by an individual who is not selling plans or kits. In those cases, only use the family name of the individual as the manufacturer's name, the forename(s) can be listed in the Remarks field. E.g. the aircraft listed in the Register as a Haich Nathaniel 1600 would be listed as a Haich 1600, and in the Remarks as "built by Nathaniel Haich". In the US Register, the family name is always given first.

Some homebuilts are already on the upload page, like all the Van's aircraft. More will be added in the future.

The example given by Paul, N102ML, is a difficult one, as it is or a unique design, or the builder has given a different name to another designer's aircraft (which is allowed in the US!). It is listed as a Bowden Michael B TWO EZ-MS1. When no original designer can be found, this aircraft should be listed as a Bowden TWO-EZ-MS1, with "built by Michael B. Bowden" in the Remarks field. However, I think this aircraft might be a Rutan Vari-Eze or Long-EZ, but I would have to see the picture for that.

Peter Vercruijsse
Chief Database Editor


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Thank you both for the correction. So how would one know what type of kit a/c it is if say I was at CCR and saw one come rolling into 32R? My thing would be look up the reg and see that and fill that in. If not do you just leave the generic untitled?

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineLeanOfPeak From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

According to the PFA, there's a variant of the Vari EZ called the Twin EZ, with two Jabiru engines. That is what this appears to be.

While the bulk of the airframe is by Rutan, the twin-engine design was apparently done by Shaw. Which leaves us with a quandary.

Since I don't think we want to get into having to know that the Twin Bee was modified by Gigante in order to find it, I think the logical thing to do in this case would be:

Generic: Rutan Twin EZ
Type: Rutan Twin EZ-MSI

I think the "1" is erroneous, as it looks like an I everywhere but the FAA database.

If Peter would like to weigh in on the matter again, it would be appreciated.


User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1618 times:
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That's VariEze, not Vari EZ. As you are a database editor, here is some info. The official names of the Rutan designs are:

VariViggen (no space or dash)
VariEze (no space or dash)
Long-EZ (no space)

For more info, look at the official Rutan Aircraft Factory website: http://www.rutanaircraft.com/htmlpages/airplanes.html


User currently offlineLeanOfPeak From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Couldn't have picked one way to creatively spell "Easy" and stuck with it...

Thanks.


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5066 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

I had this same thing come up here recently:


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It is a kit built plane, based on the Piper Cub - generically called a "Cuby" but the name of the person who built it was Brugioni Mario at least according to the FAA register... so I listed it as a "Brugioni Mario Cuby".

bruce



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