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Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R  
User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Hey guys,

Well what I witnessed today I'm still rather shocked by it.... I was minding my own business at roughly the place they touch down at 18R (side where there isnt a bysicle lane. There are also fields there growing plants and stuff belonging to farmers. Off course I was on the side, grass, and not the field it self. Well I wanted to leave so walked back a bit and then waited for another arrival. Then I saw a car coming through the fields (dirt road) he was about to pass me so I waved. The guy slammed the brake coming in an instant halt and he ran out and started screaming on top of his lungs 'GET THE HELL OUT NOW YOU BASTARDS' (I was alone). He came running at me so I started to run as well...he kept yelling (some Dutch swear words) and off course I fell (stupid me as it was bit slippery as the ground was at an angle) my camera was OK (had it in other had) the guy came close to me shouting 'you deserved IT you guys keep ruining my land NOW GET out dont want to see you every AGAIN' (he kept shouting for another minute) all I was saying sorry I didn't do anything... He left after that.

Just want to warm all spotters about that place as these guys are really really angry people! Couldn't believe this. He also said there was a sign...apparently there is but very very small (saying, forbidden entry)...I came to my car and another farmer was there (calmer thankfully) and I told him about the guy etc, and also I advised him PUT BIGGER signs...as I had no clue I wasn't aloud there...

So please anyone going there be aware...it wasnt a nice experience.

Cheers

Nick

[Edited 2005-05-27 18:22:04]


cheers
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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Easy Farmer John, LOL!!!.. Did he have a pitchfork?

User currently offlineBernieh From Austria, joined Sep 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

I've experienced the same a few years ago when I was photographing in Lower Austria for a magazine. But the guy "talking" to me came with a rifle as he was (better is, as he's still living) a hunter and threatened me to make a complaint at the police. It was senceless to discuss with him although I talked to him in an unexcited tone. Ten minutes later I grabbed my equipment and left the meadow. I could not understand why the guy was that excited as the grass had recently been cut.

All the best
Bernd

BTW: I have never received a compaint ...


User currently offlineB076 From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 140 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Nick,

I go there very often and never had problems as long you keep on the dead end road (that belong to the farmer as well I think) Wink

Maybe next time go in the weekend in the early morning when the man is asleep and not working on the field  Big grin  Silly

I know that farmers can be  butthead  sometimes

I think Nick is refer to this spot along rwy 18R

http://members.home.nl/w.wanrooy/UA.jpg

William


User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Yeah I was bit more to the right....and the guy came there (front the right) with his car....sometimes I just hate the mentality of these people...

People sitting on that little road were also sent away.

[Edited 2005-05-27 18:55:30]


cheers
User currently offlineBREmer From Germany, joined May 2004, 551 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Maybe he recently got a wonderful touchdown photo rejected here.  Wink

Lukas


User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

My experience with the farmer was much better but I'm not sure if this actually the same place you speak of. On the weekend I spent in AMS I was ask to leave two places and in both cases the people were very polite and even allowed us to stay a few extra minutes. They explained that they have to ask us to go or there will be hundreds of spotters every day... I think we are worse than bugs for their crops  Smile

I told the farmer to start charning 10euro per person!

Sunil


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Ya know, if this were america, the guy could legally claim copyright to all the photos you took at that location... Something to think about.

User currently offlineErwin972 From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 500 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Thread starter):
Then I saw a car coming through the fields (dirt road) he was about to pass me so I waved. The guy slammed the brake coming in an instant halt and he ran out and started screaming on top of his lungs

Ah Nick, I run into this same guy at the same spot beginning of this year. What an absolute jerk that guy was. He said all spotters are mindless, stupid bastards who are unbelievable rude and dare to stand on his land (sorry for the language).

There was no way of communicating with him, I even offered him my apologize for my existence but he kept on shouting and threatening with the police. Who said Amsterdam is a photographers friendly place?

Kind regards,
Erwin



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Yeah... I don't go there anymore either... Freaky farmer. What happens if we go there with 10+ spotters all at once. Will he be just as aggressive? devil 
Sad really, it's a very good spot.
Ed


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 9):
What happens if we go there with 10+ spotters all at once. Will he be just as aggressive? devil

I feel an AMS locals meet coming up, I would say how about camping next to the polderbaan?  Wink.



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3090 times:
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I regularly piss all over his crops Wink

Tim



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 7):
Ya know, if this were america

Oh don't open that can of worms... LOL  Wink



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User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

haha good you guys had same experience...think we should get together and like go to his house haah  Smile Cause if you stand at the round-a-bout, there is no sign saying 'private land'...very sad that guy shouted at me while i was alone...aah wel..

If you guys go there let me know!  Smile

cheers

Nick



cheers
User currently offlineErwin972 From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 500 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Reply 13):
Cause if you stand at the round-a-bout, there is no sign saying 'private land'

Well, do I have news for you, cause since today there are signs ALL OVER the place, you will not believe this:




He has the municipal of Haarlemmermeer (name of the town here) place a couple of these signs.

Good luck,
Erwin

[Edited 2005-05-27 22:59:59]


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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Next time someone goes to this spot, can he bring one of those big Edding markers and write on that particular sign: "BEWARE OF MAD FARMER!" and draw a pitchfork in its hand? Something like:

Thanks.
Ed

[Edited 2005-05-27 23:41:35]

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

*cough*steeksleutel 13*cough*

just a practical joke with my fellow dutch photographers



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User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

haha. It was just insane saying your not aloud here while there are no signs! Funny that they got the signs today.

cheers

Nick

[Edited 2005-05-27 23:39:08]


cheers
User currently offlineB076 From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 140 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 15):
Next time someone goes to this spot, can he bring one of those big Edding markers and write on that particular sign: "BEWARE OF MAD FARMER!" and draw a pitchfork in its hand?

That was also come up in my mind ,and for sure I am gonna do that(hope someone is not before me)

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
I regularly piss all over his crops

Damn Farmer       
And for sure he can expect a piss attack from my side  

William

[Edited 2005-05-27 23:49:04]

User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Although this man's behavior was far out of proportion some understanding might be a good thing too.
Where ever people visit AMS they leave a F..... mess behind.
We know that it isn't caused by us....... photographers but the farmers probably does not see the difference.
Also I don't think a sign will help a lot.
Take the spotters place along side 06/24 for example which has a sign big as a house "don't feed the birds" !
Guess what these A..H.... are doing ?

Willem



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Willem raises a good point. I think the farmer at the end of 08 at Gatwick gets a tad hacked off with spotters/photographers walking in his field and flattening his crops in the summer months. I think it may be one of the reasons the infamous 'mound' went but I am speculating.

Just on the litter front, the same goes for Mrytle Avenue at LHR. The litter is bad; I'm not saying it's necessarily aviation enthusiasts causing it but adding to it doesn't create good feeling between us and the locals.


User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

You would just piss on his crops??
Heck, I'd take my pants off, crouch down and start squeezing something out of my  butthead  in his field with a sign that says "Amsterdam Spotters were here!!"



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User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

/agrees with Willem  Wink


Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

The land is private property for christ sake. There should not be a need for signs, but apparently there is. You might want to consider that we are trampling over his field. This is not a field owned by the city councel like the field between the S apron and the official spotter site.

Also, his fields are his livelyhood. Of course most of the spotters here will stay close to the embankment and (just) out of the field. But there are many people that just stand in the field, thereby ruining crops.

His reaction may have been out of proportion, but let's not pretend to be completely innocent!


p.s. yes I come from the achterhoek but don't you dare use that against me!  Smile



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User currently offlinePH-OTO From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 434 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Having 20 photographers at the same time on your land (although they may be at the edge) will damage this man's crop. I don't defend his aggresive attitude. But what's wrong with staying on the road (very clearly visible in the UA shot)?

Nick, I am glad for you that you didn't break your camera, but I am not surprised he came at you. You say you were more to the right, so actually standing in his land and not on the road. This way you give the guy a reason to be upset.

I understand perfectly well that you are looking for the best spot, but for crying out loud let's use our common sense and prevent the entire place from being fenced off. Stay on the road and you and your shots will be fine. Unfortunately now the sign is there he will use this argument to get us off the road also.

If we (read every photographer in AMS) don't/cannot think about their actions, we are on a very nice path to destroying our photo spots in AMS.

Especially when pissing contests become popular on this forum.
Think about this: you are pissing on the potatoes that you'll eat tomorrow

Martin



Look very closely between the lines of this message, and you will see the captain beating up the jumpseater
25 TWAMD-80 : LOL, be sure to take a picture of that! Tim
26 CallMeCapt : There are ways to get someone off your land if they are trespassing and his way was totally unacceptable. Ever hear about asking nicely if the photogr
27 Post contains images Erwin972 : Mmmm... you never wash your potatoes? Who knows what happened with them... Kind regards, Erwin
28 Post contains images Liamer : Hello, I kind of agree with Willem and Martin over this, I have been send away by the same farmer on two occasions last year, but did have a chance to
29 Post contains images B076 : Ha Ha... I don,t know Nick but I do know you Marinus. I can understand he was calm and normal when he was face to face with you,I would be to. I thin
30 DRAIGONAIR : William... i have only gone there twice (in field) and first time was last week in early morning and this week...just very very bad luck as i usually
31 Post contains images Diezel : Did anybody noticed the automated bird control device over there? You know, this could be modified for photogs too.... Roel.
32 Planespotterx : Maybe instead of putting up a "front" for this farmer guy you could ask him what crops he sells and out of courtesy perhaps buy something of his (afte
33 IL76 : Hmyeah... Of course being on a friendly pace with the man would be very nice, but unfortunately these aren't just local spotters walking around on hi
34 Na : I somehow understand this farmer though he just overreacted in a foolish way. He probably has "spotters" by the hundred a week, and he´s just tired o
35 AKE0404AR : "with the exception of ignoring the stupid no parking-sign near the US Forces recreation area at FRA" Good luck, if the cops show up and your car is p
36 Post contains images A388 : Hahaha, wow, serious but funny stories. I haven't experienced something like that before but I did do something stupid. A few months ago I knew Kenya
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