DRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6 Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
Well what I witnessed today I'm still rather shocked by it.... I was minding my own business at roughly the place they touch down at 18R (side where there isnt a bysicle lane. There are also fields there growing plants and stuff belonging to farmers. Off course I was on the side, grass, and not the field it self. Well I wanted to leave so walked back a bit and then waited for another arrival. Then I saw a car coming through the fields (dirt road) he was about to pass me so I waved. The guy slammed the brake coming in an instant halt and he ran out and started screaming on top of his lungs 'GET THE HELL OUT NOW YOU BASTARDS' (I was alone). He came running at me so I started to run as well...he kept yelling (some Dutch swear words) and off course I fell (stupid me as it was bit slippery as the ground was at an angle) my camera was OK (had it in other had) the guy came close to me shouting 'you deserved IT you guys keep ruining my land NOW GET out dont want to see you every AGAIN' (he kept shouting for another minute) all I was saying sorry I didn't do anything... He left after that.
Just want to warm all spotters about that place as these guys are really really angry people! Couldn't believe this. He also said there was a sign...apparently there is but very very small (saying, forbidden entry)...I came to my car and another farmer was there (calmer thankfully) and I told him about the guy etc, and also I advised him PUT BIGGER signs...as I had no clue I wasn't aloud there...
So please anyone going there be aware...it wasnt a nice experience.
Bernieh From Austria, joined Sep 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
I've experienced the same a few years ago when I was photographing in Lower Austria for a magazine. But the guy "talking" to me came with a rifle as he was (better is, as he's still living) a hunter and threatened me to make a complaint at the police. It was senceless to discuss with him although I talked to him in an unexcited tone. Ten minutes later I grabbed my equipment and left the meadow. I could not understand why the guy was that excited as the grass had recently been cut.
Sunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3212 times:
My experience with the farmer was much better but I'm not sure if this actually the same place you speak of. On the weekend I spent in AMS I was ask to leave two places and in both cases the people were very polite and even allowed us to stay a few extra minutes. They explained that they have to ask us to go or there will be hundreds of spotters every day... I think we are worse than bugs for their crops
I told the farmer to start charning 10euro per person!
Erwin972 From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 499 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Thread starter): Then I saw a car coming through the fields (dirt road) he was about to pass me so I waved. The guy slammed the brake coming in an instant halt and he ran out and started screaming on top of his lungs
Ah Nick, I run into this same guy at the same spot beginning of this year. What an absolute jerk that guy was. He said all spotters are mindless, stupid bastards who are unbelievable rude and dare to stand on his land (sorry for the language).
There was no way of communicating with him, I even offered him my apologize for my existence but he kept on shouting and threatening with the police. Who said Amsterdam is a photographers friendly place?
DRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3036 times:
haha good you guys had same experience...think we should get together and like go to his house haah Cause if you stand at the round-a-bout, there is no sign saying 'private land'...very sad that guy shouted at me while i was alone...aah wel..
Aviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2950 times:
Although this man's behavior was far out of proportion some understanding might be a good thing too.
Where ever people visit AMS they leave a F..... mess behind.
We know that it isn't caused by us....... photographers but the farmers probably does not see the difference.
Also I don't think a sign will help a lot.
Take the spotters place along side 06/24 for example which has a sign big as a house "don't feed the birds" !
Guess what these A..H.... are doing ?
The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2924 times:
Willem raises a good point. I think the farmer at the end of 08 at Gatwick gets a tad hacked off with spotters/photographers walking in his field and flattening his crops in the summer months. I think it may be one of the reasons the infamous 'mound' went but I am speculating.
Just on the litter front, the same goes for Mrytle Avenue at LHR. The litter is bad; I'm not saying it's necessarily aviation enthusiasts causing it but adding to it doesn't create good feeling between us and the locals.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3300 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
The land is private property for christ sake. There should not be a need for signs, but apparently there is. You might want to consider that we are trampling over his field. This is not a field owned by the city councel like the field between the S apron and the official spotter site.
Also, his fields are his livelyhood. Of course most of the spotters here will stay close to the embankment and (just) out of the field. But there are many people that just stand in the field, thereby ruining crops.
His reaction may have been out of proportion, but let's not pretend to be completely innocent!
p.s. yes I come from the achterhoek but don't you dare use that against me!
PH-OTO From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 434 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
Having 20 photographers at the same time on your land (although they may be at the edge) will damage this man's crop. I don't defend his aggresive attitude. But what's wrong with staying on the road (very clearly visible in the UA shot)?
Nick, I am glad for you that you didn't break your camera, but I am not surprised he came at you. You say you were more to the right, so actually standing in his land and not on the road. This way you give the guy a reason to be upset.
I understand perfectly well that you are looking for the best spot, but for crying out loud let's use our common sense and prevent the entire place from being fenced off. Stay on the road and you and your shots will be fine. Unfortunately now the sign is there he will use this argument to get us off the road also.
If we (read every photographer in AMS) don't/cannot think about their actions, we are on a very nice path to destroying our photo spots in AMS.
Especially when pissing contests become popular on this forum.
Think about this: you are pissing on the potatoes that you'll eat tomorrow
Look very closely between the lines of this message, and you will see the captain beating up the jumpseater
: LOL, be sure to take a picture of that! Tim
: There are ways to get someone off your land if they are trespassing and his way was totally unacceptable. Ever hear about asking nicely if the photogr
: Mmmm... you never wash your potatoes? Who knows what happened with them... Kind regards, Erwin
: Hello, I kind of agree with Willem and Martin over this, I have been send away by the same farmer on two occasions last year, but did have a chance to
: Ha Ha... I don,t know Nick but I do know you Marinus. I can understand he was calm and normal when he was face to face with you,I would be to. I thin
: William... i have only gone there twice (in field) and first time was last week in early morning and this week...just very very bad luck as i usually
: Did anybody noticed the automated bird control device over there? You know, this could be modified for photogs too.... Roel.
: Maybe instead of putting up a "front" for this farmer guy you could ask him what crops he sells and out of courtesy perhaps buy something of his (afte
: Hmyeah... Of course being on a friendly pace with the man would be very nice, but unfortunately these aren't just local spotters walking around on hi
: I somehow understand this farmer though he just overreacted in a foolish way. He probably has "spotters" by the hundred a week, and he´s just tired o
: "with the exception of ignoring the stupid no parking-sign near the US Forces recreation area at FRA" Good luck, if the cops show up and your car is p
: Hahaha, wow, serious but funny stories. I haven't experienced something like that before but I did do something stupid. A few months ago I knew Kenya