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Watermarks....protecting Our Images Against Theft  
User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Taken from the photo usage requirements:

The digital photos on this site are licensed to Airliners.net. They are equipped with a footer with copyright and license information and also carry an invisible watermark. If you receive permission from the photographer to use a particular photo, you may use a copy from Airliners.net as long as you inform us of the usage as to avoid misunderstandings (we do not appreciate and react strongly when finding our photos on other sites that use them without permission). We do however advice that you get a new copy of the photo directly from the photographer that does not carry our license and watermark.
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Do you guys know if there are any tools out there, which are preventing companies to print stolen images, i.e. If you print an image some sort of copyright logo or similar appears on the image.

A tool like this would have prevented that the German magazine focus had used K. von Wedelstaedt picture.

Thanks
VG.

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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

Well when you do that you loose the image quality. Example;


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Matthew Hom



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/ua777222/photocredit.jpg

I think that if you do that you are giving up quality and it is less appealing to the viewer. Ben Wang has a nice watermark though placing it in the corner is easily removable.

Thanks,

Matt



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

You can't do much about copyright infringement. I have no doubt there will always be some photos from the database being used illegally somewhere else on the web or a travel brochure or whatever. And the more popular the photograph or photgrapher, the higher the chance it is being used. If Johan watermarks the photos or allows watermarking, visitors to this site will drop dramatically.
Welcome to the real world. Theft is a reality. Not much you can do about it, unfortunately.
 Sad



Without struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Adobe has something similar with pdf's where copyright notices can appear when printed. The thing is, with a picture you only need to make a screenshot to get round such a thing.

Staffan


User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1300 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7161 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
ARTICLE EDITOR

I support more hurdles to prevent the copyright abuse that we read here on a regular basis. I think some kind of watermark or some other technology is needed. We have the barn door open and expect nobody to steel the horses?  Smile

The usual anti-watermark/anti new measures comment here is going to be: "if you upload to the web,expect it to be stolen". I believe that logic is archiac and we need to do better policing ourselves.

Unfortunately we don't. Looking forward to the day we do.



World Wide Aerospace Photography
User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

Question regarding copyright and the legal system. If we pursue photo thieves and we hire lawyers to prosecute them, couldn't we make it so the actual thief is liable for any legal costs? Maybe inform them we are going to pursue legal avenues and they will be liable for any legal costs. Then depending on their response, we decide whether or not to go the lawyer route.


Without struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

We aren't really talking about a visable watermark here, I think what really needs to be done is better digimarking. I'm sure a better technology exists I.E. Johan just spent alot of time on getting this great "View similar images" feature up and running but what good will it be when all our photos are on some hacks website? Watermarked or not it would still be copyright infringement.

User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7101 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
Johan just spent a lot of time on getting this great "View similar images" feature up and running but what good will it be when all our photos are on some hacks website?

True, a lot of time is spent on various features, but it seems very little is spent on trying to prevent copyright violations. It's frustrating.

Quoting Eksath (Reply 4):
we need to do better policing ourselves

I would support any step in the direction of making it harder for idiots to steal our images.
I know there will always be people who will say: If it's on the web, they will steal it. Nothing you can do about it
That might be the case, but to follow Eksath's way of putting it:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 4):
We have the barn door open and expect nobody to steel the horses?

So, let's close the door and make them work for it. At least it would stop the ones who are lazy and just plain stupid. Make it hard, make it difficult, make it timeconsuming for them.
Nothing like that is done here!

I welcome a serious discussion where all pro's and cons are brought to light, and where new technology is tested to see how it can work for us.

Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Hello

Why isn't there a "no right click" thing implumented on A.net?????

Jimmi


User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7073 times:

Quoting European (Reply 8):
Why isn't there a "no right click" thing implumented on A.net?????

Probably because most people think it's easy to disable.
It is.

But still...it would be one step to make it more timeconsuming to steal the image.

Every step makes it a bit harder...


Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2732 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7069 times:

Quoting European (Reply 8):
Why isn't there a "no right click" thing implumented on A.net?????

This method doesn't work on Internet browsers such as Firefox.



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineFL350 From Belgium, joined Feb 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7067 times:

I agree here it's getting frustrating seeing some of our work, being printed somewhere without permission from us, or simply being stolen.

For some of us on this website, it's something more than just a hobby, noone can deny the pleasure of selling pictures to magazines and stuff.

The hobby is getting commercial and I don't think it's a bad thing.
I don't care giving money for my firstclass or other things to support the website I appreciate all the hardwork done by the crew to keep this site running and at the top.
So I suggest that some stuff could be also done in a way to prevent and/or discourage people from stealing our work. I know stopping theft would be impossible at 100% but features like, watermarks, 'no right clicks', digicodes, etc... would see the steal rate go down.
I'm fully open to test and implement some features to prevent and slow theft from the DB.
I'm no expert on the matter but I'm sure this type of technology is available.

If people who read this know something about 'antitheft technology' it would be a good thing to share it here.

Cheers

Fabrice



Fabrice Sanchez - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Something has to be done to make it at least more difficult to steal our shots.
I'm sure if it was difficult and tiresome to steal from us, then this guy
Air Taxi Net (by Airportugal May 31 2005 in Aviation Photography)
would have given up.

/JM



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User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7007 times:

Quoting European (Reply 8):
Why isn't there a "no right click" thing implumented on A.net?????

Because you dont need to right click.
If U R surfing and watching photos they are in the cache of your browser anyway, which means U have them on your hardisk without having to "right click".
At least in Internet Explorer it works this way.



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 13):
which means U have them on your hardisk without having to "right click".

This is true Peter, but there are many people out there who doesn't realise that. And implementing the "no-right-click" script is done in 5 seconds, so why not do it ?
And at least TRY to stop some of the violations ?

Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 14):
This is true Peter, but there are many people out there who doesn't realise that. And implementing the "no-right-click" script is done in 5 seconds, so why not do it ?
And at least TRY to stop some of the violations ?

Those guys who put the images on their website know how to do it. You even don't need a right click to save images with Explorer. Also, many people use a.net photos as their desktop background or they save the image on their hard drive because they like it & don't want to go on line when they want to see it. There's nothing wrong with that.

I reckon we have to accept the risk in change for the wide exposure of a.net. Visible watermarks are not a solution.

Thomas


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

Quoting TS (Reply 15):
Visible watermarks are not a solution.

Sure they would be.

It would be a huge step away from viewing pleasure, that's true, but setting this feature up on optional basis would be good for those who want to be protected on the commercial side of our 'hobby', though.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

I think small and discreet watermark would not do any harm and would help us protect our work from thieves.

User currently offlineBirdy From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 16):
setting this feature up on optional basis would be good for those who want to be protected on the commercial side of our 'hobby', though.

Good idea why not setting this feature up for those who want watermark, or for example accept just medium size photos, and this not have to be for everyone.
Main reason why I am not uploading on A.net anymore is lack in protection of images. Since part of my income is from sold images and art, A.net is not option for me. However, I would love to share those photos here where is huge exposure and people of similar interest.
With watermark on large version of images, it would be possible to see more great photos from professionals who even never considered uploading here.

A.net is mostly for enthusiast and that is fine but it has changed and there is no reason to not add new rules, increase possibilities, and protect work of those who need this.
Expanding aesthetic qualities of photos also would be nice, and new category for arty, manipulated shots would be very welcome, but that is off topic in this thread Wink

Arty, watermarked, medium size image viewed more then 2400 times and it is not on A.net….it is not even photo Wink






…My point – if something is interesting people are going to see it even with watermark  Smile

Regards,
Greg



"The nicer an airplane looks, the better it flies"...
User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

if something is interesting people are going to see it even with watermark

My point exactly!

Protect them now!

Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Quoting Birdy (Reply 18):
My point – if something is interesting people are going to see it even with watermark

If someone is interested even with the watermark they'll steal it  Wink

Five minutes in a PSP and no more watermark (I added your copyright in the white area)



Mike


User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Mike, you have a point of course, but it takes someone with skills in PS like yourself to do it.
Lots of people are not good enough to do that and they can steal everything now.

/JM



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Five minutes in a PSP and no more watermark

True Mike. Like said above. It's not possible to stop completely.
But every step to make it harder is welcome.
If you really, really want a shot. You can do it. But it will prevent
many from doing it. And that is something that appeals to me.

...and you are a well know master of photoshop and creating
composite images...  Big grin
So this was a bit like cheating...  Wink

Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6851 times:

Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 22):
So this was a bit like cheating...

You guys are right. It will stop most people but like a car alarm, if a "real" theif wants it, it's his. Oh....sorry for cheating  Smile

Mike


User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 14):

This is true Peter, but there are many people out there who doesn't realise that. And implementing the "no-right-click" script is done in 5 seconds, so why not do it ?
And at least TRY to stop some of the violations ?

Because it's stupid.
For example, I want to select a text and copy it, or print, or anything else. Then with the script I'm not able to do it. Of course you can use your keyboard also.

But with a script you are forcing users to change their capabilities.
Maybe others have another opinion on it, but this is what I think of it. I really don't like right mouse click prevention.

Kar-lok


25 F9Widebody : I completely agree, lets watermark images. Something needs to be done. Watermarks are not a huge deal for the average viewer if done well, but are a h
26 Tommy Mogren : Of course you can use your keyboard also. Exactly. To me it's worth that little extra hassle to get at least some protection. As it is today, there's
27 Post contains images Birdy : Good point My watermarks are quite discreet, and of course, this can be removable in Photoshop, but it takes some time and is not always that easy. I
28 Post contains links and images Birdy : BTW... Latest Flightinternational magazine (31May-6June) this photograph... View Large View MediumPhoto © Cyrus Cambata printed with sign "Photo
29 TS : I wouldn't click on any image blemished by a huge watermark. Thomas
30 Eksath : While there are few professionals here, most of the people here are takings plane photos as a hobby. These hobbists have worked very hard to produce i
31 AKE0404AR : So for quite a few valid points, still no solutions.......
32 Jderden777 : this is in my opinion a very critical subject and some may not agree with me, but i think that a.net needs to do something other than to just say "usi
33 Post contains images Karlok : I've tried the watermark image method, but sometimes I look a few times and I can't see the watermark in the thumbnail and it will rejected for badwat
34 Post contains links Toptag : In the link http://www.airliners.net/usephotos there's a line saying: 'If you receive permission from the photographer to use a particular photo, you
35 NonRevKing : Yes. It's pretty clear. From acceptance to rejection, thru the screening process, to removing them from the database, to changing your comments...Air
36 TomTurner : For myself, I am not interested in viewing any noticably watermarked images. I'd rather the situation remained unchanged, though if it must change, I
37 Birdy : Everyone knows that there is no easy solution and we can: - leave it as it is and from time to time exchange "hot air" as Eksath said, as many times
38 Post contains links Administrator : Hi, Sorry for not replying sooner. This issue has been covered many times, please search through the archived Aviation Photography forum for other var
39 DLKAPA : Sort of Contradictory to: Or maybe you could use some of the First Class membership money generated to pay a lawyer?
40 Dendrobatid : Johan That sounds like an excellent idea. It is not going to prevent people from visiting the site as they will still be able to see the photographs.
41 DLKAPA : Also, Being that me (and many other photographers) wouldn't be able to view our own pictures in high resolution...what's the point of uploading them?
42 A346Dude : Johan, I would be strongly opposed to such an idea. I only ever view the large version - I don't see the point of viewing the medium size because a.ne
43 Jaspike : I think when seeing the option of having large versions for FC members only, a few too many photographers would maybe think there must be a huge probl
44 INNflight : I'm strongly against this! A.net will loose tons of visitors if this would be implemented, and also: Medium photos are compressed, so by far not show
45 Post contains links and images Toptag : Thank you for the reply Johan! Now that you've made it clear ... ... and after your suggestion to get organised the text in http://www.airliners.net/u
46 Post contains links and images ChrisH : A little off-topic perhaps, but copyright protection can go overboard: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/c...tech/20050530-9999-mz1b30snap.html [Edit
47 Post contains links and images Birdy : Hi and thanks for your reply, As I said before I also do not like idea of big visible watermark either, but probably there is no other choice. However
48 Post contains links Tommy Mogren : Yes it has. Still nothing has been done. Which is explained by this quote! Thanks for finally admitting it openly. It explains why you haven't been s
49 JeffM : Yup, looks like 9. Would you count the rest of us as opposed?
50 Tommy Mogren : No, if you don't say anything I won't count you at all. Tommy Mogren
51 AKE0404AR : So, afterall who is with us that something needs to be done.....????? 1.) Vasco Garcia 2.) Tommy Morgren 3.) Jeff Miller ????? just copy and paste and
52 TS : Vasco, There are several thousand photographers at a.net, & just a tiny percentage of them regularly reads this forum. I reckon normal visitors of thi
53 Post contains images SignalOne : Not very keen on this, because First Class members can already view full-screen, and reducing it to medium view for anyone else would be silly. I am
54 Post contains images Eksath : 1.) Vasco Garcia 2.) Tommy Morgren 3.) Jeff Miller ????? 4) Suresh Atapattu ........
55 JeffM : Not For: 1. Jeff Miller
56 AKE0404AR : I fully understand and respect your views. We are still in an early stage and honestly I am not sure yet how this can be implemented. I am with you gu
57 Jan Mogren : 1.) Vasco Garcia 2.) Tommy Mogren 3.) Suresh Atapattu 4.) Jan Mogren /JM
58 Toptag : Surely not! A.Net would suffer a loss in attraction by doing so. I'd underline this. 1.) Vasco Garcia 2.) Tommy Mogren 3.) Suresh Atapattu 4.) Jan Mo
59 TomTurner : Quoting Eksath (Reply 54): 1.) Vasco Garcia 2.) Tommy Morgren 3.) Suresh Atapattu Not For: 1. Jeff Miller 2. Tom Turner
60 Eksath : Ok..lets try to keep this orderly and accurate from the preceeding post. I corrected it. 1.) Vasco Garcia 2.) Tommy Mogren 3.) Suresh Atapattu 4.) Jan
61 PH-BFA : why don't you make something like you can view a photo without any watermark on the site and when you try to save a picture on your disk or something
62 JeffM : Have you read this entire thread? Doesn't look like it. What would stop someone from just doing a screen capture?
63 PH-BFA : no I did not read the entire thread so forgive me, i have got more things to do. Just trying to help and make some suggestions PH-BFA[Edited 2005-06-2
64 Post contains links Birdy : 1.) Vasco Garcia 2.) Tommy Mogren 3.) Suresh Atapattu 4.) Jan Mogren 5.) Andreas Stoeckl 6.) Gregory Bajor Here is reminder of previous discussions ab
65 Administrator : I understand and are willing to add such a feature to the upload page. Photographers will be able to choose to participate in this by simply checking
66 PUnmuth@VIE : I vote for this option
67 Eksath : Thanks! I think this is better than nothing! I vote for this too, VOTES (YES) 1) PUnmuth 2) Suresh Atapattu
68 Tommy Mogren : Thank you Johan for listening. VOTES (YES) 1) PUnmuth 2) Suresh Atapattu 3) Tommy Mogren Tommy Mogren
69 PUnmuth@VIE : yes votes for big and middle: 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren yes votes for big only 1.) voting against any watermark 1.)
70 Birdy : I can agree to this; however, I still think it would not very harmful if watermark would be quite discreet. I am also quite not sure about cases when
71 JeffM : Changed my mind... yes votes for big and middle: 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller yes vot
72 Erwin972 : yes votes for big and middle: 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller yes votes for big only 1.)
73 IL76 : I think a watermark will look butt ugly and ruin my pictures. If you can tick it on or off at uploading, that is fine. But I won't use it, and if I'll
74 Birdy : So why you are against this option if you not going to use it? For some photographers it is important to protect their images and I hope you can resp
75 Atco : yes votes for big and middle: 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller 6.) Garry Lewis yes votes
76 AKE0404AR : Since I initiated the whole conversation I am voting in favor of Johan's suggestion: 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) G
77 IL76 : Yes, I would like to know what it'll look like when implemented. If it's huge text going straight through the image like was demonstrated earlier in t
78 INNflight : 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller 6.) Vasco Garcia yes votes for big only 1.) voting again
79 FutureUApilot : 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller 6.) Vasco Garcia yes votes for big only 1.) voting again
80 PUnmuth@VIE : 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller 6.) Garry Lewis 7.) Vasco Garcia yes votes for big only
81 Post contains links and images Birdy : I think you have to decide what is more important for you viewing images in all splendour or having watermark for prevention. There is no perfect sol
82 F9Widebody : 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller 6.) Garry Lewis 7.) Vasco Garcia yes votes for big only
83 Post contains links Birdy : Those are two examples how Airliners.net watermarks might look: http://www.birdlike.com/gallery/aviationphotography/483833a http://www.birdlike.com/ga
84 Post contains links Beechcraft : Hi all, I have to say that i really have odd feelings about a watermark feature. Of course i see the need to protect our photos against unwanted use.
85 Eksath : Denis, you are free to your opinion. The option for watermark according to photographer discretion is EQUITABLE to both Airliners.net and the photogra
86 Toptag : 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller 6.) Garry Lewis 7.) Vasco Garcia 8.) Andreas Stoeckl yes
87 A346Dude : I think most people who are willing to steal a photo off of a.net are simply not willing to pay for a photo at all. Either they will still rip it off,
88 IL76 : Copyright violation is almost always announced here once discovered. With the thousands of photographers surfing the net daily, the chance of illegal
89 Post contains images Birdy : I would prefer to have a peace of mind with watermark and not be involved in violations of illegal use. Many photographers do not now how to react in
90 Post contains images IL76 : I like to use examples with similarities to exaggerate things a little bit. My point basically is: The picture will not be nice to look at anymore. I
91 Post contains links Administrator : Here's a test page setup where you can view your images with a watermark: http://www.airliners.net/static/delme.php Simply supply an ID number of one
92 Post contains images FutureUApilot : I Agree with IL76, Only the best of the best pics are accepted to A.net, lets think of other methods to protect the pics, watermarks lead people to o
93 Eksath : Johan, Love the 10% ...great JOB.. TWO THUMBS UP. Suresh
94 TS : Guys, I'm a bit irritated how this "poll" is being conducted here. There are thousands of photographers & hundreds of thousands of visitors. I don't t
95 INNflight : 1.) Peter Unmuth - VAP 2.) Suresh Atapattu 3.) Tommy Mogren 4.) Gregory Bajor 5.) Jeff Miller 6.) Garry Lewis 7.) Vasco Garcia 8.) Andreas Stoeckl 9.)
96 FutureUApilot : How about we put the poll on the A.net front page? I've started downloading as many pics as I can so I can get a bunch before this watermark is consi
97 Birdy : Looks fine for me. I would be great if option could include 10, 20, and 30% on upload page. Watermark on bright images may look very pale (10%). Sign
98 TS : Hm, I'm afraid this is prone to manipulation. I don't know if this is too complicated, but how about creating a poll page? You then could send out e-
99 Eksath : Another reason why this needs to be implemented ASAP. This is the abuse we need to address.
100 TS : Saving pics on your hard drive is abuse for you?
101 FutureUApilot : You need to address a 17 year old downloading aircraft pics for his screensaver??? Aren't their any other meathods we can use to protect the pictures
102 JeffM : Personal use is not an abuse. Have you ever read the rules for that? You are allowed to download for use on your desktop.....
103 Post contains images Birdy : Sam I am sure many viewers would disagree with watermarks, but photographs are copyrighted and photographer should have a chance to protect his own p
104 Malandan : 14 photographers out of how many in total, ....... hardly representative in my opinion There definitely should be a poll of members as without one, th
105 A3204eva : I wouldn't want ANY of my photos on a.net to carry one of these watermarks, it makes your photo look bad, and it's annoying to look at. "What a great
106 FutureUApilot : I agree, but there are users who use them for their personal pleasure, I have a collection for my screensaver. Can you make them availiable to all me
107 A346Dude : I really hope this site does not implement the watermark feature. To be honest, I think some photographers are a little too paranoid about stolen imag
108 Post contains images Birdy : Can you tell me how 14 photographers (or even bit more) and their watermarked images would affect all A.net? I would suggest to read all this thread
109 Post contains links Tommy Mogren : Thank you for the test page Johan, very useful for trying it out on different images. Personally I would prefer to have both 10% and 20%. Most of my
110 Jan Mogren : I like the lower position of the watermark better. I think 10% 15% and 20% would be good since 30% looks way too obvious. /JM
111 Post contains links Birdy : Tommy and Jan, I also like idea of lower watermark, however I think position 1/3 from the bottom (so bit higher then Tommy's examples) would be better
112 Malandan : Welcome to the 'put down club', Greg, yet another forum user disrespectful of others opinions. If Johan finally agrees to this, I am content, but my
113 Post contains links and images Beechcraft : Hi again, i still don�t like that watermark idea, but since is a topic which could decide the future appearance or image of this site, i try to b
114 Administrator : Malcolm, I fully understand your concern. I hope if of course that the ability to add a watermark to photos will encourage photographers to upload new
115 FutureUApilot : I still don't like the watermark idea but if there is going to be one, I like Denis's (Beachcraft) idea. That little mark doesn't ruin the subject of
116 Post contains images Birdy : I am sorry if I was too harsh but in my opinion, your previous message was not quite adequate to our discussion. I am respecting your concerns but so
117 Tommy Mogren : Denis, I think it's a quite good idea. It would be easy for Johan to give us a choice, like you say, where to place it. Top right, top left, bottom r
118 Beechcraft : Tommy, That´s absolutely right. Forgot to mention that. Denis
119 Malandan : Johan, Thanks for your response and I now feel assured that your solution is in the best interests of all concerned and you have once again demonstrat
120 Birdy : I do not like your tone! Is this kind of respect you are preaching about? I also have a right to say my opinion and if you expect respect show yours
121 AKE0404AR : I like simple solutions.....I wish most of the ideas would be implemented like this one. A couple of days of construtive talk and voila there it is...
122 Beechcraft : Vasco, apparently it wasn�t... Sam and Tommy: thanks for your toughts. i somehow hoped my idea would trigger some more comments. let�s see w
123 Post contains images Birdy : Denis, I like your proposition too, of course if photographer can choose a place for watermark. Does anyone have some more comments or propositions? I
124 F9Widebody : I've got to say I like Denis's more than the ones come up with by Johan. They are just a bit too distracting, because they are right in the center of
125 DLKAPA : If it's any relevance (and it probably isn't) the day watermarking becomes mandatory is the day I walk.
126 Birdy : Also as it will be an option and used by not many and mostly professionals with great images? I am just curious… Regards, Greg
127 Post contains images PUnmuth@VIE : Just don't take this too serious. I am just trying to show that it's better to watch what you are saying about others. Could be easily reverted.
128 Tommy Mogren : That won't be anytime soon then, as it will be an option. Personally, it's the other way around. The day I CAN choose to watermark the images, is the
129 Post contains links Administrator : This thread it continued here: Watermark Option - Yes Or No? (by Administrator Jul 1 2005 in Aviation Photography) Thanks, Johan
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