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Should I Appeal This Rejection?  
User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Hello everyone,

I just received this rejection earlier:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/mngpaxpmedit.jpg

The reason was 'badcameraangle'. I'm assuming this really means 'badlevel' due to the lamp pole on the left. Clearly this is on a massive slant when compared to the others.

I just wondered what people's thoughts were and if there's anything I've not picked up on, as I might consider appealing depending on what you all think.

Regards,

Tim.


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User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3479 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Quoting DC10Tim (Thread starter):
Clearly this is on a massive slant when compared to the others.

Tim,

You're right. I think you should appeal. I encountered a similar problem before. Fortunately I didn't get badcameraangle rejection.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Badcameraangle. I hate that rejection. Had one rejected for it too recently;

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/N665UA_SFO_010105.jpg

Still debating what to do with that one. Oh well. I like your shot. I do think that it is appeal quality seeing as its more than just a 'slant'

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

I agree that you should appeal, just make it crystal clear in your appeal explanation that the one pole is not a very good reference to the overall level of the photo.

EDIT: In regards to Matt's photo, I haven't measured anything, but the photo seems to be tilted a bit CCW. It might be level according to the vertical structures, but it just looks off.

Harry

[Edited 2005-06-06 03:00:40]


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User currently offlineKnighty From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 207 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

The left most red and white pole has a substantial lean on it - I'm guessing that is where the rejection came from.

Knighty



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

I've seen other "badcamerangle" rejections due to a less then an optimum angle that the shot was taken from. In other words it is an un-flattering position, you could have taken a more side on shot versus this oblique angle, or waited for the aircraft to pass by all of those distracting light poles.

User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
EDIT: In regards to Matt's photo, I haven't measured anything, but the photo seems to be tilted a bit CCW. It might be level according to the vertical structures, but it just looks off.

I think its a no go due to the fact that it's level based off of the things around it but that it was cranking pretty fast around that turn and in my opinion the actual aircraft is tilting due to the turn + speed.

Thanks.

Matt



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

I think its a no go due to the fact that it's level based off of the things around it but that it was cranking pretty fast around that turn and in my opinion the actual aircraft is tilting due to the turn + speed.

Exactly why I hate leveling, it's such a pain in the ass.  crazy 

Harry



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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Thanks guys,

Here is one from that morning with the pole on the left levelled. This is wrong and the other poles would be leaning to the right, but they are obscured by the plane, so aren't noticable. This one has passed the first round.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/airgreen757timed.jpg

Jeff, you're a bit damned at that spot, as you're beyond the fence at the end of the runway, looking at them as they are turning, so the poles are inevitable.

Anyway, it's past my bedtime.

Regards,

Tim.



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User currently offlineVbonina From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Hi Tim
I would apeal the rejection, although the shot does look a little too sharp to me.
I like the camera angle
Vince


User currently offlineVbonina From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

I take that back, Not too sharp, the shot looks great... sorry
Vince


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 8):
Jeff, you're a bit damned at that spot, as you're beyond the fence at the end of the runway, looking at them as they are turning, so the poles are inevitable.

I agree, not every location is a good one. Some you just have to pass up due to the problems they present.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

I believe the other light poles also have a slight lean to them as in they need rotation.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 2):
Badcameraangle. I hate that rejection.

BadCameraAngle and BadInfo are rejections I don't mind. Reason: Very easy to fix.


User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3357 times:
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Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 12):
BadCameraAngle and BadInfo are rejections I don't mind. Reason: Very easy to fix.

I'm exactly the opposite as a bad level looks like slapdash work, which it is not. The levels are very subjective and Tim has encountered the problem in a big way on this one. A glance at his photo shows what is out of level, the red and white pole, rather than the photo.
Tim, the shot is a good one and I would appeal it as I think a screener has made a mistake, an easy one to make.
When verticals are all over the place as in this photo I have taken to telling the screener which reference I have used as I think this helps them to help us.
Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2734 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Tim,

Your MNG picture, needs 0.5 CW rotation. See the screenshot below:


I rotated the middle light pole, you could also use the light pole on the far left as a referernce point.

Cheers,
Simon



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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Thanks again guys,

I'll have a closer look at this one when I get home this evening. I think the centre lamp pole is probably the best reference, so if it needs some CW rotation it will be one to rework.

Regards,

Tim.



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