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Bad Motiv For Nose Shots?!  
User currently offlineTom3 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2004, 240 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Hello

I recently got 2 rejections , of 2 Nose Close up Shots , and the rejection reason was Bad Motiv , hm but the question is why Bad Motiv , as a lot of the pictures in the db are showing just the nose of the plane and even there is a category for nose shots on the upload page !
Here are the 2 Links:

Swiss :

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/HBSWISS.jpg

Centurion :

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/N612GCLUX.jpg


Kind regards

Tom - Lap


Tom Mousel - Lap
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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

harsh, quality looks ok, i hope it was not because the pilots were not waving.

for the RJ possibly but maybe im being tooo picky its because the tinyest sliver of the S from swiss keeping into the shot, i think the general idea is to keep the logo out, keep the whole logo in, or just one word of it, e.g. not chopping a word in half. but thats not set in stone i dont think


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 1):
i think the general idea is to keep the logo out, keep the whole logo in, or just one word of it, e.g. not chopping a word in half.

I agree with Gary. The half-way letter or logo doesn't look good.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Hi Tom,

I agree with the above for the first shot. For the second shot, there's nothing special about it. No special sticker or anythng, just a plain white nose with a little bit of logo which may also be a contributing factor. It may be harsh, but that's what I think.

Ivan



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User currently offlineTom3 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2004, 240 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Yes maybe , but there are a lot of similar nose shots in the Db , so IMO it's not fair.. !

Tom - Lap



Tom Mousel - Lap
User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3744 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Quoting Tom3 (Reply 4):
there are a lot of similar nose shots in the Db , so IMO it's not fair..

Why don't screeners give us some explanations on Tom's complaint? Actually that will be something I'm also interested in.  listen 

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Landing gear on the 2nd photo is cropped out. Possible badmotiv?
 Confused



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User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

They're boring ...  Wink

At least upload a picture with the crew waving.

-Adam


User currently offlineTom3 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2004, 240 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

There are a few in the queue , where the crew is waving  Wink

Regards

Tom - Lap



Tom Mousel - Lap
User currently offlineLtena From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 70 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

There are some weird things going around I got a few strange rejections lately like yours...

Your shots seem quite fine to me... not out of the ordinary but no reason to reject... Its hard to move between the thin line that separates the artistic side of this site and the other side that its a huge plain airplane photo catalog... Its hard to be creative here, well I think I spoke too much, never mind hehehe.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/CRW_5618_LX-MCV.jpg

Badcrop... its a full frame shot no crops... my intention was to fill the frame, keep the subject in this case the nose of the holly 747 in the full area frame.

Ive noticed that some similar photos make it into the DB but croping loosing the 3:2 aspect ratio from a 35mm film... I dont think thats fair... The Croping in PS can make things easyer but some times not fair as a photographer.

Personally I use cropping when needed, but just to fine tune a photo not to "make" the photo.

Regards to all...

[Edited 2005-06-15 09:25:27]


Luis Tena Orozco. Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly
User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Tom, as it has been said crop out the Swiss titles and try again. I agree both were harsh rejections, IMHO.

Quoting Ltena (Reply 9):
Its hard to be creative here

I agree with all you said, Luis.

j



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting Ltena (Reply 9):
Ive noticed that some similar photos make it into the DB but croping loosing the 3:2 aspect ratio from a 35mm film... I dont think thats fair... The Croping in PS can make things easyer but some times not fair as a photographer.

You lost me there... What do you mean?

As in creativity/articity... I really don't see how zooming in to a nose section to see a captain waving (or not) can be categorised as creative or artistic... Just my opinion...

Cheers,
Eduard


User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 11):
I really don't see how zooming in to a nose section to see a captain waving (or not) can be categorized as creative or artistic

IMHO, if it shows a non standard point of view, it is creative. We may like it or not, but that's another story.

Anyway I think Luis is talking about creativeness in general, not restricted to nose shots.

Cheers

j



"Be prepared to engage in constructive debate". Are YOU prepared?
User currently offlineLtena From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 70 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

IL76 howdy.

Thanx "J" thats my point.

Well in the photo above as you can see the pilots are not the main subject in the frame but thanx for ponting them out

And for your quoting, what I tried to say, sorry if I didnt put my idea clearly, I do my best with english .

What I tried to say was that the creativity must come from the viewfinder of the camera not the PS skills...

Regards

[Edited 2005-06-15 09:37:46]


Luis Tena Orozco. Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly
User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting Ltena (Reply 13):
What I tried to say was that the creativity must come from the viewfinder of the camera not the PS skills...

Ok. Of course a shot must be well motivated when captured with the camera. But this does not mean it has to stay 3:2 if your camera is 3:2. If a shot looks nicer as a square, than a square it should be. If you shoot a portrait of a person for example, a 3:2 ratio is not very nice. Everything you try to capture could require a different format (within reasonable limits, for example A.net does not accept panorama shots  Smile).
Is this what you meant?

Cheers,
Eduard


User currently offlineBREmer From Germany, joined May 2004, 551 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Recently had this one rejected.
http://www.airlinersite.com/Fly/bilder/ams0505_nwadc10_nose.jpg

After that I tried it again without the part of the wing and engine but still a 'badmotive'. Too bad, I really like the composition of this shot.

Quoting Ltena (Reply 9):
Its hard to move between the thin line that separates the artistic side of this site and the other side that its a huge plain airplane photo catalog... Its hard to be creative here

Very true words!

Lukas


User currently offlineLtena From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 70 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Hi, I think Im getting the formula hehehe its hard to upload a photo without the nose gear... This are the times when badmotiv doesent make a good explanation... heres one of my photos (dont open if you dont want to  Smile)

why mine make it and yours didnt? I cant explain  Confused


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Luis Tena Orozco



Regards



Luis Tena Orozco. Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly
User currently offlineMichaelJP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

I think all the photos displayed here are really nice.

Bremer I really like that NWA Photo, I think it gives a clear and distinct impression of the size of the DC10 just as the Lux 747.
Its true about the artistic and creative sides now though...shame.

Mike


User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

I actually thought the badmotive may have been for this reason:

1st photo: S in logo AND the red lights in the background (Sorry for being broad)

2nd photo: The Fence is the reason it would get Badmotive

Anthony


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