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User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

Hello

I post this message talking about upload standards.

I've been seeing more and more people one by one get extremely discouraged with aviation photography. It seems to be because of Airliners.net's uploading standards. So many people have become disgruntled with the quality standards on airliners.net that they are moving to Jetphotos.net.

I must honestly say I don't blame them, with some of the standards on this site. Something needs to be done before this gets out of hand

Anthony

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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7127 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
with some of the standards on this site.

Elaborate this please.


Airliners.net is, and probably will always stay the best aircraft photo database regarding quantity, and due to the high standards, also quality!

Lots of people stay with A.net because the standards are that high, and most photographers on this site are able to keep up with the standards.

My point of view: The standards of this site are perfectly okay, if you know what this site accepts, and what is okay in terms of quality or not, you won't have any problems.

Florian



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineVIR380 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7124 times:

The standards at AN are very much achievable by pretty much anyone ....

see this thread Acceptance Ratio Of Top Photogs! (by StealthZ Jun 16 2005 in Aviation Photography)

the acceptance rates are very good indeed so far !


Can you elaborate a little on why you say this ?
Can you give us examples on why you feel this way ?

Have you had some rejections we can look at and maybe help ?

For me personally the standards set at AN are for one reason only .... to keep it the best Aviation image site on the internet to date , as i have said all along ... an image is rejected because the image can be better with a little time put in , the site does not want to reject images as without you there is no site .. you with me so far ?

If people get rejections it should in effect make then more eager to succeed , i know it does me ... if i get a rejection ... i re-work it and then 9 times out of 10 it gets on ...

Its not all about rushing to get as many as is humanly possible onto the site .... its quite simply a way to show off your talent and aircraft pictures to the world , there is another life beyond the internet too
 

regards Tony

[Edited 2005-06-17 07:51:16]

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
So many people have become disgruntled with the quality standards on airliners.net that they are moving to Jetphotos.net.

That is the biggest load of crap ..... Because some can't reach the bar doesn't mean you lower it..... They just have learn to do better. I'm sure Johan is quaking in his boots over a few people running over to brand X so they can get their "all so important pictures on the internet".


User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
I must honestly say I don't blame them, with some of the standards on this site. Something needs to be done before this gets out of hand

They can do what I try to do. Get my standards higher. It isn't working completely yet, but I'm not giving up and going over there. There is enough help on this site, anyone can improve.


User currently offlineErwin972 From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 500 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
I must honestly say I don't blame them, with some of the standards on this site. Something needs to be done before this gets out of hand

No problem at all with these high standards!

Rejects can hurt sometimes but try to understand why and try to learn something from it. It can only help you improving your photography and editing skills. In the long run you come out better.

But if that is not what you want, and you can't take on a more professional view about this, then just go somewhere else.

Kind regards,
Erwin



My gear: Nikon, Sony, Red, Sachtler etc.
User currently offlineSean377 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1225 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

It's interesting to read the support for A.Net in this thread after the bashing Johan got in the recent (and long!) thread "New Upload Queue Limits". I refrained from posting my opinion in that thread, partly due to it's length, but mainly as I feel I am not yet experienced enough in A.Net's 'ways' to give an accurate view.

Despite having around 100 or so photo's since getting my camera in March, I have only uploaded 1. Surprisingly, it was accepted. As I have been reading this forum for considerably longer than I've been taking photo's, I gained a 'feel' for the quality required to get shots accepted. For that reason, I am quite happy with my upload queue maximum of 5. I see little point in uploading a photo that is of similar quality/composure to over 100 others of the same aircraft. My future uploads will, in the main, have to be 'better' than what's already there for a particular aircraft. A tall order, granted, but one which makes me think before pressing the shutter release!

Remember, it's everything that goes on before the shutter is pressed that makes great photo's!

Regards

Sean



Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man... Landing is the first!
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7027 times:
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Anthony

Thanks for your comments. Your wealth of experience has been noted and comments will be passed on to the crew.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineJetTrader From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 586 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
I've been seeing more and more people one by one get extremely discouraged with aviation photography. It seems to be because of Airliners.net's uploading standards.

First rule of life:-

If you're going to do anything, do it for yourself or because you want to do it. If you're "into" aviation photography just to get pics added to the a.net site then maybe you're in it for all the wrong reasons.

Just my  twocents .

Cheers,
Dean / JT



Life's dangerous. Get a f**king helmet!
User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

I understand what you are saying Anthony and perhaps I was very lucky when I first started here 18 months ago. I had a photo of a United 747SP at LAX taken back in 1987 and thought I would give it a try just out of curiosity and I was delighted when it was accepted - and have been bitten by the bug ever since! I can see that getting that first photo in the database is a hard slog for many people and perhaps some would become discouraged.

For photographers A.Net is a bit like climbing Mount Everest, you do it because it is the highest and one of the most challenging! The high standard is entirely the whole point and I am a better photographer for it. Not the best yet, got to work a bit more on that  Wink

Can I respectfully challenge your point that "So many people have become disgruntled..."? How do you know that?

 ghost 



"I chase my dreams but I never seem to arrive"
User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7016 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
that they are moving to Jetphotos.net.

Well Its a free world you can do what you want. Even some of the screeners upload to JP.
If its bothering you that much then maybe you're in the wrong hobby. I love photography, and I want to enjoy what I do so I don't allow A,net get to me despite all the rejections. I will admit I used to get worked up but not anymore, I have enough things in life to worry about and a.net is the last thing I need to get hung up over. Its one thing being passionate about a hobby, but don't let it get to you!
Remember this is a hobby, enjoy it! If people want to move to JP, let them! its their choice.

Take care and have fun, Big grin

Fergul Big grin  sun 



Zambian Airways, Where the Eagles fly free!!
User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6982 times:

Ok, I've realized something.

I worded this whole post wrong, and my true point never got across because it was misunderstood.

I'm just gonna leave posting this crap to someone else who can do it properly.

Anthony


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6950 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 1):
Lots of people stay with A.net because the standards are that high,

Agreed. I have another site where I upload pretty much everything I shoot, and then upload the best of those pics to a.net.

Airliners.net isn't the best aviation photography site because of the number of photos. It's the quality that makes it good.

So if another aviation related site has 4 million photos, of which 10 of them would pass a a.net screening, I'd rather look through the a.net photos...

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6936 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 1):
Lots of people stay with A.net because the standards are that high, and most photographers on this site are able to keep up with the standards.



Quoting Thom@s (Reply 12):
Airliners.net isn't the best aviation photography site because of the number of photos. It's the quality that makes it good

I agree with both these points. For one thing where's the challenge if everything you upload you know will automatically be accepted. The high standards are an incentive to produce your best work.

I'm sure lots of people become disgruntled by the number of rejections at first, but that shouldn't be a reason to give up trying.

Tim.



Obviously missing something....
User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 11):
I'm just gonna leave posting this crap to someone else who can do it properly.

That will be a great shame if you do that, your opinions matter as much as anyone else's and don't let anyone suggest otherwise. Your post has generated quite a few responses and, as Sean says, it is interesting to read the support for A.Net in this thread.

As far as your original point goes that "something needs to be done", something *has* been done and we have to wait now to see if it will work. I would cautiously hazard the opinion that the early signs are encouraging.

 ghost 



"I chase my dreams but I never seem to arrive"
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6869 times:

Why are people discouraged? Surely we take photos because we love the hobby, not because we are only satisfied by getting photos on anet. compared to the number I have taken, I have had many more rejected - but I accept that, and do not get disheartened. I try harder, upgrade equipment, and just enjoy visiting airports and getting up close and personal with the aircraft at MAN!


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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
Hello

I post this message talking about upload standards.

I've been seeing more and more people one by one get extremely discouraged with aviation photography. It seems to be because of Airliners.net's uploading standards. So many people have become disgruntled with the quality standards on airliners.net that they are moving to Jetphotos.net.

I must honestly say I don't blame them, with some of the standards on this site. Something needs to be done before this gets out of hand

Anthony

What should airliners.net do, lower their standards or train the photographers to take better photos? I would think it would be a badge of honor, if your photo was accepted by the screeners at airliners.net....



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User currently offlineJohndm1957 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

This site and forum has improved ALL my photography over the 12 months since I got my very first picture accepted, and many others rejected.

Lessons learnt here can be applied to many other subjects. My holiday pictures this year are far better composed etc than ever before.

Keep raising the standard here, and keep it as the best site in the world.

We all love a challenge don't we?

regards



Canon 550D, 18-55, 50 1.8, 100-400L
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 16):
What should airliners.net do, lower their standards or train the photographers to take better photos? I would think it would be a badge of honor, if your photo was accepted by the screeners at airliners.net....

try getting rid of some of the obvious double standards, hypocricies and inconsistencies for a start would be a bloody good thing! this site is a good place to view good photos! nothing more than that, it's not the best because there is no measure for perfection! the downfall is the inconsistent screening and the straight out double standards that are afforded to a few!

if you think it's BS then i'll point a few photos out and you can all see the inconsistencies for yourselves! nothing stinks more than inconsistent judgement by people who are supposedly "professional" there is no 2 ways about it, a fair go for all or no go at all. this site has a few people that i respect for there creativity and professionalism. one is the highest views photographer on the site.

this site will never be great as long as these 2 major factors are evident, the email that comes with your uploads pretty much puts you down before you even have a chance to learn, if your a photographer you'll have to pay for the privledge to ask some questions about your rejections, if you don't pay you could say you don't get the chance to learn! that is noway IMHO to encourage people to learn, learning and encouragement go together, a email with the phrase 'without warnings' makes you think, fuck i have to watch everything i do when i submit something.

nothing is perfect, this site is far from it, it's the double standards that goes a long way to alienate the people that make this site what it is! at a slide show in NYC recently i saw a bunch of photos with some of the most stupid rejection reasons i've ever seen! sometimes you have to wonder, i do often, i'm sure everyone who's replied here does too! if you haven't then i'd venture to say your not being honest!

to improve this site needs to be seen to be FAIR to all, it's not a level playing field and as long as it stays like this people will become more disgruntled and looks elsewhere to upload photos as some have done, i wonder why that is? maybe because they want there work to be seen, not to be judged by its motive, maximum sharpness etc, i think that says it all! and others will eventually find the sites that don't accept anything but do look to accept and not look to reject your photos, without the pedantic nonsense that is seen here.

i'll now await the verbal and shit throwing at me!



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

I think Airliners.net has been very accomodating when it started MyAviation.net. Photographers can always opt to upload to other sites or begin their own webpage. I think my images have had a much broader viewing on Anet than they would in any other venue because of the website's reputation.
Gary
Cottage Grove, MN, USA



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 11):
Ok, I've realized something.

I worded this whole post wrong, and my true point never got across because it was misunderstood.

Sounded perfectly clear to me.

When are we going to be able to post here without the constant whining about how people can't get their pics into the db? I got rejection after rejection but did I cry?  crying  NO!

I got a better camera suited for this, practiced by shooting my ass off, asked good photogs advice and what do you know? I got my first pic in the database!  present 

Also I have gotten more pics in and have only one rejection in my last 8 uploads which brings me to another thing. Too many pictures that have no business being uploaded are being uploaded here. It makes the wait to get pics screened too long!  crazy 

So instead of whining about it, how about becoming better and getting better pictures and learning to use PS instead of posting this crap. Would do everyone a big favor.


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6771 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 18):
it's not the best because there is no measure for perfection! the downfall is the inconsistent screening and the straight out double standards that are afforded to a few!

Take your uploads elsewhere then... Apparently with all these doublestandards and inconsistency you still upload so I see no issue to bitch about the crew...

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 18):
if you think it's BS then i'll point a few photos out and you can all see the inconsistencies for yourselves! nothing stinks more than inconsistent judgement by people who are supposedly "professional" there is no 2 ways about it, a fair go for all or no go at all.

No need to point fingers now. Again if there is such an issue with this site and their "unfair" judgement calls then upload elsewhere.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 18):
this site will never be great as long as these 2 major factors are evident, the email that comes with your uploads pretty much puts you down before you even have a chance to learn, if your a photographer you'll have to pay for the privledge to ask some questions about your rejections, if you don't pay you could say you don't get the chance to learn!

Might not be the best but so far no one has yet to offer anything better. With a crew of around 30 I don't think they are going to give you a guide to perfection for each rejection. Just not going to happen. Not here, not at the next place, nowhere. A.net provides what it can within reason. What would be the point for Johan to just let anyone post here? Though you pay either $5 a month or a one shot $25 I think your money is well spent. Sure I post here frequently but it seems as though each day there is the same post here or there so if you don't want to pay more than likely you'll have your question answered by another user with the same issue.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 18):
nothing is perfect, this site is far from it, it's the double standards that goes a long way to alienate the people that make this site what it is! at a slide show in NYC recently i saw a bunch of photos with some of the most stupid rejection reasons i've ever seen! sometimes you have to wonder, i do often, i'm sure everyone who's replied here does too! if you haven't then i'd venture to say your not being honest!

Take it however you want it, it is what it is. Again if you don't like it take the show on the road, there are plenty of photographers who benefit day in and day out with the current system.

Quoting Johndm1957 (Reply 17):
to improve this site needs to be seen to be FAIR to all, it's not a level playing field and as long as it stays like this people will become more disgruntled and looks elsewhere to upload photos as some have done, i wonder why that is?

Some times you just have to get over it. Just get over it. There comes a point when you're just yelling to hear your voice. Yes I do understand, and I bet half the users here understand, that there are filches in the system but I don't think anyone here can find such a place where a database consists of roughly 824,277 photos among 10,000 photographers screened by 27 volunteer professionals who deal with a queue as long as 17,000 photos.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 18):
maybe because they want there work to be seen, not to be judged by its motive, maximum sharpness etc, i think that says it all! and others will eventually find the sites that don't accept anything but do look to accept and not look to reject your photos, without the pedantic nonsense that is seen here.

Myaviation.net?

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 18):
i'll now await the verbal and shit throwing at me!

 duck 

I would have to say that Airliners.net and all related crew members have done their best to meet our needs. Just as they have done for us we should do for them. We all get pissed off because we go to the airport, spend hours taking pictures, come home, spend hours editing, and then upload. Then what? Oh yea we all bitch about how long we have to wait. Ok now hop on over to the other side of the fence.

A screener sits down at their desk to see the queue grow another 1,000 photos. They could be at the airport taking pictures as well, which they do, but instead they will sit and look at each and every photo. With their input they either reject or accept. Who cares about how long they spend on "your" photo, the fact of the matter is that they are not getting paid, they are not being forced to do it, they are taking the time out of their day to help us, as photographers, improve ourselves to produce better images to have hosted on airliners.net.

Treat others as you wish to be treated. They have done us a lot and we should respect them for it. Not rip them a new butt every time we find something wrong. Hell they're here to find out what's wrong with our photo's so if we really have no place to talk... And even with all these anti-a.net-crew posts they still screen day after day, hour after hour, for all of us

To say that airliners.net needs to change but won't is just funny. You have to remember that without us photographers there is no airliners.net so to say that they are not meeting our needs is just bull. But, as stated above, you can only do so much with what you have.

To Johan, the crew, and related personnel I thank you for your time, efforts, and input. I'm not trying to kiss ass, make friends, piss others off, it just pisses me off to hear people bitch about the system that is there to serve them.

Be happy with what you've got. It could easily be gone.

Matt



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineJFK From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

Some people cant accept rejection. If my shots are rejected I just accept, learn, and move on to the next photo. Some are rejected and some are accepted. I have learned to be more critical of the photos that I consider uploading. My strike rate has improved as a result.

User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
When are we going to be able to post here without the constant whining about how people can't get their pics into the db?



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
So instead of whining about it, how about becoming better and getting better pictures and learning to use PS instead of posting this crap. Would do everyone a big favor.

I think this is the problem - the minority that whine (i.e. the one's who aren't positive and don't try to improve after rejections) make it seem as though there is some huge problem, and hundreds of photographers are losing the will to live... Which I don't think is the case at all.
But these threads get more people worked up which then creates more stress, and before we know it we've got a thread full of angry people and people viewing the thread seem to think there must be a major problem.

People should almost see rejections as something positive (I know it sounds crazy ) - it's an opportunity to ask for advice and improve your skills, then when you do improve you'll feel as though you've accomplished something - and you'll have better photos in the database.

You can't just go from being a beginner to becoming a photographer with a high acceptance rate overnight, people need to accept that rejections are going to be part of the process, and they can't be ignored if you're to improve - everybody's got to learn sometime

If some people were more positive there would be better results and more people would be willing to give advice in this forum. (Edit: again, it's the minority that aren't being positive, better make myself totally clear..)

John (reply 17) has got the right idea

Anyway, that's my personal view

Tom

[Edited 2005-06-17 14:55:34]

User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6720 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

The viewpoint above is an interesting one. All I can say is this, if you could see some of the first pics that I took on slide in the early 1990s, well they wouldn't quite be up to what I output these days. Big grin

Like it or not, there is a learning curve, it can either be shallow, linear or steep, but it will always have to be travelled........and in many ways, a.net has driven me to become a better photographer by forcing me to continually review and examine what I'm outputting.

I read an interesting statement the other day, which somehow relates to uploading and not improving......The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result Big grin

Regards

Andrew



Full frame always beats post processing
25 Post contains images Psych : Ooooo - some interesting stuff posted here. Did I see the 'f' word somewhere above? These things do create a mass of strong feelings - I should know .
26 Billsville : Maybe there's an ounce of truth in both statements....... It seems these days that the complaints are starting to get more prevalent though.... One t
27 Post contains images AndyHunt : Perhaps a simple case of screeners pre-screening our photos BEFORE uploading I can tell you for one that when screening my fellow screeners' pics, no
28 Post contains images Jaspike : My first thought when I saw that was "that's good, they're practicing what they're preaching" (i.e. pre-screening) Tom
29 QANTAS077 : UAL777222 i think you have the wrong impression, i'm not bitching about the problems here, i am making an observation just from some of the rejection
30 UA777222 : Had nothing directed towards you. Just an overall observation of the situation. Matt
31 Post contains images PUnmuth@VIE : Thankfully. Wouldnt it be boring if all sites for the purpose of showing aviation related photos where the same? How do you know? Have you screened h
32 Apuneger : Why should one get discouraged for not getting their photos on Airliners.net? If one of my photos gets rejected, I move on with my life. I've passed b
33 Post contains images SignalOne : Its a steep learning curve Airliners.net is, and as always with things like this, Practice Makes Perfect. I act as a pessimist when uploading Photos,
34 Administrator : Hello, I am very happy to see the support most of you express, thank you very much for your trust in the way I run Airliners.net. Anthony, You are not
35 Kukkudrill : Way to go Johan. Would it be possible to share drafts with the photographers before putting them into effect?
36 Post contains images SignalOne : I was thinking if this would happen, I can't imagine the standards getting any higher, as the current standard is high at the moment. Would it ever g
37 Post contains images INNflight : Probably not. Think forward... DSLR's with 30 MP 40fps ISO 3200 looking like ISO 200 ...
38 SignalOne : I was thinking about this the other Day, surly we are going to come to a point where technology in Something can just not be made any better, apart fr
39 APFPilot1985 : I would argue that the problem isn't the high standards but rather the length of time that it takes to get a photo screened. High standards are good f
40 INNflight : Oh please not again! Heard of priority screening before?! Email the crew and the photo will be up in no time! New photo screeners are just being sele
41 Clickhappy : Jetphotos.net does not employ screeners like Airliners.net, from what I understand. The process there is that each picture is looked at once, by a 'sc
42 APFPilot1985 : If you dont have spots left in your queue you can't upload them to email for priority screening. Why did it take so long to realize that new screener
43 SignalOne : Hi, Hate to be picky but You can still get Photos rejected on JetPhotos, they don't accept just anything on that site. I agree the screening process n
44 EGGD : This has been happening since other websites started up and Airliners.net started cracking down on crap photos, get over it.
45 Clickhappy : Hate to be picky but You can still get Photos rejected on JetPhotos, they don't accept just anything on that site Have a read what I wrote here: The p
46 Atco : Your understanding is incorrect
47 APFPilot1985 : so as not to be just bitching, i have a proposal for making the screening go faster. So as not to compromise quality and maintain a 3 screener approac
48 Law4fun : Anthony, You just made my respected user list. Johan, take a powder pal...settle down a little. Some criticism of the site is not the end of the world
49 MidnightMike : I know some of the airliners.net screeners and Johan certainly picked the best, one of the screeners in particular is a professional photographer & s
50 Clickhappy : Ah, well if I have it wrong about the screening at JetPhotos then I apologize. To all the people who do nothing but complain, why do you even come to
51 SignalOne : APFPilot1985, I was thinking about that, and its a good idea! ClickHappy, I hope that was not aimed at me! I do not moan about the site, I make sugges
52 Clickhappy : It was not aimed at anyone, and yet it was aimed at everyone. Whenever a thread like this starts it drags people out of the woodwork, some don't even
53 ChrisH : It's a one-time fee just to post. This is a good thing as it keeps people from creating endless aliases just to take the p1ss etc. I have faith in th
54 Blackhawk144 : Woah, i never said anything about my photos. I know its a stupid question, but how do you do that? I looked for it when I got the new Big Sky colorsc
55 INNflight : You have never heard of Premium Membership, have you? Nobody forces you to be FC member, also nobody forces you to stay here, feel free to leave if y
56 INNflight : Anthony, If you have a photo of something newsworthy ( e.g. new colorscheme, new type for an airline, a crash photo, etc. ) then upload it like any o
57 Post contains images SignalOne : WOW! Exactly the same amount of Photos in the queue on the 15th and 16th currently, is that a first? 2005-06-15: 1189 photos 1185 photos not screened
58 Clickhappy : Must be lower uploads because everyone is flocking to Jetphotos! Lets have a look at their queue: There are currently 1652 total photos in the queue.
59 Post contains images NIKV69 : Got an email from Blackhawk144. Though I will show some respect and not show it here I will reply to it here. If you rarely upload here then why do bo
60 Post contains images PositiveClimb : Good evening everybody! Maybe I'm in no position to comment on the topic, as I'm new to aviation photography and have no photos in the db yet (but I w
61 Post contains links and images NonRevKing : As was I. I didn't leave because of the standards being high. I left because of the way this site is run, and the attitude of the administrator. The
62 Post contains images Clickhappy : ah, right on time. Was wondering when you would 'contribute' to this thread willing to post my stats here if you are Royal My stats are posted in anot
63 Post contains images GPHOTO : It is nice to see the art of debate is alive and well! Personally, I upload to three sites. Airliners.net, Jetphotos.net and Myaviation.net. Each site
64 Post contains images NonRevKing : I read those too. And I happen to agree with them, therefore, I dont feel the need to reply and just ditto everything everyone else has said. I post
65 Ryan h : GPHOTO, I agree with you. I upload to the same sites you upload to and as you said all have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally I prefer Myavia
66 QANTAS077 : you sound like your kissing ass with everything you've just said, for someone with 9 photos in this database your very active in running your mouth!
67 Post contains images NIKV69 : Oh my You anet conspiracy buffs make me laugh. NonRevKing, you need to give us all a break with this bias crap. I don't see it and you if you are goi
68 N317AS : Qantas077 - Weren't you leaving for a while? "so i have decided to step away for a while and come back later, it's gotten to the point where i am taki
69 Post contains images NonRevKing : Wait, what? Here is what I said to you: "Then I believe you are doing this for the wrong reasons. You should be taking photos for the love of aviatio
70 TACAA320 : Everybody is entitle to their own opinion. And I personally agree with you about this one. But if all are about aviation, and we all love aviation, w
71 Post contains images BigPhilNYC : Perhaps the biggest reason we get threads like this on Anet. You didn't tell any of the other people to settle down, and others said thigns in a wors
72 APFPilot1985 : a bit full of ourselves arent we?
73 TACAA320 : That´s for sure!
74 QANTAS077 : how about i put it to you this way, you've plenty of time to sit on here and talk but have very little time to make a photographic contribution here?
75 Post contains images AndyHunt : Very interesting thread, and considering I have been a screener at both sites (along with Tony Silgrim), perhaps I can add my tuppence: Why do we get
76 NIKV69 : I am not just taking pics for that reason, I meant as far as my pictures go. No matter how much you cry or whine or continue to think that Johan trea
77 QANTAS077 : it's that very claim and those very stats that lead people to think that your credibility is 0 and your self glossing is through the roof! your talki
78 NIKV69 : I am not talking myself into a hole. I have never boasted how good I am. Read what I wrote. There is no boasting there. That's fine but I still don't
79 Bruce : Anthony, (the original poster), do YOU get a lot of rejections here? it sounds like you are talking about other people who have the appearance of gett
80 Billsville : Post Retracted.............[Edited 2005-06-18 06:24:26]
81 Post contains images QANTAS077 : your words not mine and it sounds like a claim to fame! anyone can take a "quality" photo and get it accepted anywhere, you've taken i suspect alot m
82 Post contains images JeffM : Are you going to be this 'quiet' when you're done with "the break" you're on Monty? You had us all excited for a bit....So much for that. This whole t
83 TACAA320 : "This whole thread is getting old." AMEN!!!!!!
84 Psych : Just got up this morning and what has been said overnight (UK time) makes for some very interesting reading. I must admit that I was one of those who
85 Sean377 : The most sensible thing said in this thread yet!
86 NIKV69 : It has nothing to do with who uploads what. Anet's db is better. Period. The fact that Art uploads on both sites doesn't cut wood either way. Art is
87 INNflight : This A.net vs. Jp.net "discussion" really gets annoying! Every site has pro's and con's, where do you think your discussion leads to?! One saying: "ok
88 SignalOne : I really can't see what the problem is with these two sites. They both are Aviation Photography sites, and serve similar purposes. There is no need fo
89 TACAA320 : "This A.net vs. Jp.net "discussion" really gets annoying!" I second that!
90 NonRevKing : There's really no need. According to Johan in his above post, none of that exists. A.net is perfect how it is right now and does not need to change.
91 Sukhoi : I third that! Its pointless and a complete waste of time, what does it matter what either site does? Neither site will ever be perfect/fair/equal in
92 Post contains images Embraer145 : Isn't it better everybody carrying on taking pictures the way he likes it. And it doesn't matter what database you're actually uploading. I've got pic
93 TS-IOR : My photos, shameful i have to say, have been rejected several times and this doesn't disencourage me at all. A.Net is a professional airliners gallery
94 VIR380 : Yes it certainly has done ! All the Mr negativity's have arrived on the bus ... And one in particular who no matter what's said will find fault with
95 CJA : Well core blimey, I have just slogged my way through this thread after having just become a member here. It’s a bit like Lord of The Rings with the
96 Post contains links and images Futterman : Double-standards and inconsistency are inherent to any website (well, anyTHING) as big as Airliners.net. Thirty-someodd screeners and a LOT of pressur
97 Pl4nekr4zy : First off, let me say that I have never attempted to upload any shots to A.net as I am in no way an aviation photographer, or any kind of photographer
98 Post contains images NIKV69 : Actually Brian double standards are not inherent to anything. If this is another way to try to validate this lame argument about this site it won't h
99 Post contains links and images Shep : Brian "NonRevKing" Stevenson said this - "Ok, I have proof. Let's see if you're willing to live up to your word and allow those who can back up these
100 Post contains images NonRevKing : Thanks for the kind words Shep, but how you can't see the hypocracy there I haven't a clue. The main focus of that photo is the girl, which is one of
101 Post contains images Shep : Brian - HYPOCRISY is the word - which means the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. Yea
102 Blackhawk144 : Hello, I would just like to apologize for making this thread. I never thought it would become this heated, and I just wanted to state my opinion, and
103 Administrator : Don't worry Andrew - these threads pop-up once in a while. If you hadn't started it, someone else would have. Having photos rejected is not fun and ca
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