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User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Hi guys,
sorry for boring you again with my photo problems, but I got following night shots rejected again due to "low quality". I tried to improve them (brighten,...) but still no luck. So do you guys have any advise how to scann night shots?
http://www.geocities.com/aviationivi747/lh744night2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/aviationivi747/night737ba.jpg
From my point of view they look much better than my pics that are in the database... Any thoughts?

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Thanks!
Ivica
btw: After getting these two pictures accepted a few months ago I improved my scann process (higher DPI,...) ... thats why I´m so wondering now...
(both passed prescreening)


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User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Ivica,

I think your two shots already in the database are excellent, and much better than the two linked above. The problem with those two (and yes, I know I already tried to improve the one) is that the BA one is obviously not sharp enough, so you've selectively sharpened it, and it's obvious (and makes it look a bit peculiar - sharp titles, but blurry plane), and the Lufthansa 747 just seems to lose something in the detail - I don't think it's necessarily a problem with not being light enough.

Night shots are notoriously difficult, and I think the two you already have in the database are really outstanding. But maybe with these other two you should think you have done the best you can, but they'll never be sharp enough to be added.

I have to say that seeing the Iberia and JAL shots, I think I'm gonna hafta plan another vsiit to FRA in the winter, when I can go take a tripod out on the roof of terminal 2 in the dark! I'd be interested to hear what film/settings you used to get these shots!


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

I think that unless the picture looks good on the slide or negative, correcting it on a PC will be nearly impossible (to get a really good result, anyway).

the key is to get a good picture in the first place, and that means bracketing.

Charles


User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Thank you guys for your help!
I will try to sharpen the BA 735 a little bit more...

Chris:
"I have to say that seeing the Iberia and JAL shots, I think I'm gonna hafta plan another vsiit to FRA in the winter, when I can go take a tripod out on the roof of terminal 2 in the dark! I'd be interested to hear what film/settings you used to get these shots!"

I used a Fuji Superia 100 and exposure time was about 60 sec. It is cool to see the lights of all the cars/planes and other stuff around. I really enjoy taking night pics. Sure, not the best for your fingers, but you are always happy to see the result. Let me know if you are really interested in coming to Frankfurt in winter and we´ll go out and take some nice night shots. I hope to take some of ANA´s Pokemon 744 next winter. That would be cool. Anyway, thanks for your help again.

Any other thoughts?

Regards,
Ivica



User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

I have taken many nights shots and h I have to say that I find them very easy to do and very easy to scan. I have never had a nightshot rejected. Look up Tornblom to see some of my photos.

User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Hi,

Stephen: nice shots!

the BA 737 passed prescreening and looks better now (sharpened the aircraft a little bit more, you are right Chris, it was a little bit blurry)

what about my LH744? more/less contrast, brightening, sharpening,...??? I´m asking again because it was rejected due to low scann quality (can be improved) and not because it is unesthetic in any way (no detail/whole aircraft). So thats why I hope to get it accepted one time...
But maybe you guys also don´t know what to do anymore to improve it? Does it look blurry too in any way? So I´d like to ask Johan if he can tell me exactly what to improve or to forget it.
Comments appreciated!

Regards,
Ivica


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

The worst thign that could happen is that for ur 744 shot for instance. u may to scan the picture again. Someitmes I have to do that when you just cant find any good in the quality no matter what you do to improve.
you got the ingredients for scannin so it should be a breeze. And go for what I read earlier about CFalk mentioning "You scan at 2000 x 1500 or whatever, and reduce it twice or thrice SHARPENING AS YOU GO until you get to the 1024 mark" something like that, yoiu got it man?

I have been to my airport recently to get some neat Sunset and Nigh action, some came out good but others didnt.

I got a question. Does tripod quality matters to how your night long exposure shots will come out?
I bought a cheap one for 30 Bucks Canadian bout 18USD.
It seems pretty steady but it doesnt have all those neat features n stuff..


Oh ya, is you cant find a better way to fic ur pict, then i suggest that you stop and move on scanning other neat night shots taht you took.

Cheerrs,
Bo



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User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Doesn't matter how much you paid for the tripod, just how steady it is. The cheap ones are usually made of aluminium, and are probably ok for supporting a light-ish slr & lens combo as long as it's not windy. If your kit is quite heavy, you probably need a sturdier model. The proof is in the pictures - if you have camera shake then the tripod might not be staying still enough.

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