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User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

I had this photo rejected yesterday.

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mal...il?.dir=4f15&.dnm=6ca0.jpg&.src=ph

Whilst I understand the reason for rejection when the whole aircraft is shown, I am less certain as to what to do to correct the photo when only a portion is present. Assuming that the screener wanted less space at the bootom and left side I have recropped to this.

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mal...il?.dir=4f15&.dnm=9dd2.jpg&.src=ph

Would anyone care to comment please?

Malcolm.


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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1477 times:

Your shots are coming up at not vaild. You can look here for the rejected photo(s).

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1478 times:

Malcolm

The links appear to go to a "member" only area. I can't get in with my Yahoo sign-in.

cheers

Andrew


User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1446 times:

Im with you i just got this rejected badcenter

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/PPVRB777VJFK17041.jpg

Ryan Hemmings



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User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1434 times:

Ry: bogus rejection, planes should always have a little more space in the direction its moving, appealed it?


what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Ryan,

I imagine it's due to the starboard engine being cut in half.


User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3064 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1409 times:
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Malcolm,

As the other say, it is not possible to see the relevant photos.

Ryan - I would have thought that Jeff's comment about the engine would result in a badmotive rejection, not badcentred. I can only assume that the screener had a problem with the amount of gap between the edge of the photo and the nose on the left and the APU at the back on the right. If so, a tough call.

Paul


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/N730BHarr17LAPA.jpg

Also badcentered. Do I need to draw a box around it?


User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2239 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 7):
Also badcentered. Do I need to draw a box around it?

No, but you could remove an inch of sky from the top. But that would make it badsize (<3:2 ratio), so you'd have to crop left and right aswell.

Eduard


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Eric, your's is clearly too low in the frame. But yes, it's always fun to watch you draw.  Wink

User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5578 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1378 times:
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Eric

Also remove the dust spot which is visible to my trained eye.

I'll draw a box around that if you want me to.

Malcolm, as the starter of the thread that others have hijacked, correct the link so we can see your stuff. Thanks.

Regards

Gary

[Edited 2005-07-12 16:46:43]

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Well then since it seems you like my drawing abilities:

http://rockymountainavphotos.com/Eric/image_assistance/N730BHarr17LAPAshowingdefects.jpg


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5578 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
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Hi Daniel

OK, you spotted one more dust spot than me.

Re-upload making the necessary changes and all should be OK.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Sorry, guys, been otherwise engaged.

Can anyone explain to me as to how to show rejected photos please?
Do they have to be hosted elsewhere?

Mmalcolm.



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User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Jeffm

fair point about the starboard engine however the aircraft is dead central, is this badcentre or badmotiv?
Has the rule been changed if so no problem but there are many shots on DB that are cropped in the same manner as this one.

Chris - yeah i have appealed to no avail

Ryan



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Ryan,

Rule or not, it just doesn't look right.


User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Thanks guys, I worked it out for myself!

This is the rejected photo, rejected for badcentred. Can't post the possibly acceptable version unfortunately.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...A-22-160_G-APYN_Fis_Jun_18_05b.jpg

What do you advise?

Malcolm.



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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Hi Malcolm,

That's a new one on me! - an aircraft overshooting into a corn field.

There's something about the shot that's making me want to see more of the aircraft that's cut off on the right. Also the top of the propeller being cut off might have been frowned upon in such a shot.

Just my thoughts  Smile

Tim.



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting Malandan (Reply 16):
This is the rejected photo, rejected for badcentred. What do you advise?

Whilst easily rectifiable errors should of course be corrected, significant corrections are not always possible as the original image may not be sufficient to allow that. My personal belief is that sometimes the subject is intrinsically more valuable than the composition. Sadly my view isn't always reflected here, so probably the best option is to upload it somewhere else.

Andy


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

hah! awesome shot, hope you can fix it and it gets on!!

User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3064 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
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Thanks for finding a way of letting us see the image Malcolm.

My first impression when viewing the photo was pretty much in line with Tim's. The fact that you have chosen to take the photo in 'portrait' mode rather 'forces' the propeller and front of the nose to become a central aspect of the motive and to have the top of it cropped off leaves it more awkward in my mind than if the photo had been in landscape. Then, the overall fuselage would have been more the subject than just the nose, and I reckon the cropping of the propeller would have 'felt' better. The way it is now may legitimately leave the criticism that the nose is off to the left too much. (Having said this, many would argue that the focus of the subject does not need to be fully centred for it to make a good photograph - e.g. the rule of thirds.)

But still, if it is the propeller that is the issue for the screener, I would have thought this would have attracted a badmotive rejection rather than badcentred - similar to Ryan's image above.

Looking again at the photo, I feel a landscape crop would not have introduced this factor into the equation so much - though I wonder whether you feel this would detract from your attempt to focus the viewer on the nose and what can be seen there. Is it possible to recrop the original in such a way?

All the best.

Paul


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 17):
There's something about the shot that's making me want to see more of the aircraft that's cut off on the right. Also the top of the propeller being cut off might have been frowned upon in such a shot.

I would agree with this Malcolm. A landscape shot would have been better in my view.

Take care

Fergul Big grin  sun 

PS Morning Paul!  Smile



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User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Paul, Tim & Fergul.

Thanks to each of you - comments much appreciated.

I don't think it possible to recrop to landscape without cutting out a large part of the subject and losing the effect of the 'field detour' on the front of the aircraft. This view is most of the original which I only adjusted the level slightly.

I took several other shots at the time the poor lady (no comments about female drivers please) suffered her indignity and another shot taken from the front of the aircraft, where only the wings are evenly cropped, may stand a better chance.

Maybe the subject is a bit 'too 'jokey' for the staid 'its not an airliner' crowd!

Gotta keep trying though!

Malcolm.



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Malcolm

If you wish, send me a few photos and I'll have a got for you tonight, I have a free night as Tina is away on work business.  bouncy 

Take care

Fergul Big grin  sun 



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User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Fergul,

Have sent you an email.

Malcolm.



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