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To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340  
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Good work by all the Toronto shooters!! Not an easy situation dealing with a burning A340....Great stuff both during and after this near tragedy.
BUT...
Did anybody see that passenger's photo of people running from the burning jet?
How about courage there, ehh? How many among us would turn and photograph this while running as fast as we could away from the jet?
Sitting here at my computer it is an easy answer YES I would have...
Scrambling away from this crippled (soon to be burning) monster it is a more difficult question.

Mark Garfinkel

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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

I didn't see it, can you send us a link or something?


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

IF I would have been ( and thank God I haven't ) on this flight, and had my camera in hands after I exiting the aircraft, yes, I would have taken a few photos.

Hopefully I'll never get the chance to do so, though!



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineVIR380 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

Yeah ... i saw them too .. in the newspaper the day after or so ..

it did cross my mind would i have done the same !

Its one of those situations you hope never to find out ... but like Mark says ... sat at my PC here , yes i probably would.

But .... thank god nobody was to badly injured

regards all Tony


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Here it is.....
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005350731,00.html

Mark G


User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

I'm stupid, of course I'd have taken the photo.

I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd also expect a badmanipulation rejection for using too much burn tool.

Imagine that. I'm facing death and I'd be thinking about Peter Unmuth.  Smile

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 5):
I'm stupid, of course I'd have taken the photo.

I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd also expect a badmanipulation rejection for using too much burn tool.

Imagine that. I'm facing death and I'd be thinking about Peter Unmuth.

-Phil

  

This one should be awarded with the "Best Post of the Year" Grand Prize!!

j

[Edited 2005-08-06 16:27:10]


"Be prepared to engage in constructive debate". Are YOU prepared?
User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Everyone has a cameraphone these days... same as the video from the london trains. I would defo take some shots in that situation... I'd have my camera out for the landing anyways... wouldnt spend any time composing but rather just shoot from the hip, who knows, the photos might become useful in the investigation or something.


what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 2):
IF I would have been ( and thank God I haven't ) on this flight, and had my camera in hands after I exiting the aircraft, yes, I would have taken a few photos.

If you are about to die and you are scared shitless I doubt that you would take a picture. Run like hell and thank god afterwards that you are alive.

I have asked myself that question a few times, but since no one has been in a situtation like this it is really hard to tell what someone would do.

Vasco


p.s. Phil, it was a good one.....hilarious!!!!!!


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2769 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

Here's some more passenger shots taken while fleeing the wreck.







Oh, and for the record, as a former photojournalist, you're damn right I would have been shooting. There were many instances in my life where I kept shooting because training takes over, but the thinking, and the shakes do come later.


User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5433 times:

I was asking myself the same...

But I think the question is, did these guys who took the photos realise that they could die in a minute if the aircraft explodes? After all, "it always happens to the others" is a widespread attitude. So after the aircraft came to a grinding halt and you are still alive, you leave the plane, jump out of the door and are even then still alive, you might get a feeling like "woah, that was close, but now the danger is over" and even think of taking some photos again.
Dunno what I would have done... @1 cared for my wife or any other co-travellers in my party, then @2 probably also taken some photos... and finally later @3: get scared about what happened

I think it is like when you cut your finger... it only starts hurting once you see the blood.

Tom


User currently offlineJAT74L From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 618 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5433 times:

What I am amazed by is the fact that people are carrying their bags off with them!!!!!!

Regards

John



I like trains just as much as planes but trains don't like the Atlantic!
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting JAT74L (Reply 11):
What I am amazed by is the fact that people are carrying their bags off with them!!!!!!

Hey John  wave  good to see ya!

Yea that is something. Those pics are incredible. It's a miracle everyone survived. I can imagine the chaos as people went into the overhead bins for their belongings.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5398 times:

I'd have to go on the record and say I'd have shot some pictures. The aircraft is largely intact and it appears everyone left via the exits. If I were in a situation where rescue workers had to cut me out of the aircraft, that would be a different story.

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 5):
I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd be thinking: "this is gonna be one hell of a trip report!"


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 5):
I'm stupid, of course I'd have taken the photo.

I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd also expect a badmanipulation rejection for using too much burn tool.

Imagine that. I'm facing death and I'd be thinking about Peter Unmuth.

-Phil

Ok, that is possibly the funniest post i have read in my life! It's taken me about 5minutes to be able to type this! LOL

Totally agree with Jav!

I feel exactly the same though, would have had to grab the cam for a top of day!

Chris



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User currently offlinePaulinbna From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5305 times:
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I know I would be wanting to take pictures, but my wife would probely be cussing me out.  Smile


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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 14):
would have had to grab the cam for a top of day!

I'd have looked around to check whether I could have helped any of the more than 300 people on that flight.

Top of the day, sigh  Yeah sure


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 16):
I'd have looked around to check whether I could have helped any of the more than 300 people on that flight.

That would be my first response as well. I'm sure there probably was, and I would have had to help first, shoot second. If someone perished because I was taking photos.....well, I'm not sure I could deal with that.


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5165 times:

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 16):
I'd have looked around to check whether I could have helped any of the more than 300 people on that flight.

The top of day comment was said with sarcasm. However in a situation like that i would reach for my camera, im training to be a photojournlist and as one you cannot react and help people at every oportunity, you get your images then you help. That is how people like Robert Capa and Don McCulling have worked. That is my opinion, of course i would have tried to help, but also taking images.

Chris



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User currently offlineTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5165 times:

The photos posted above would have been rejected for badpeople. Big grin

Thomas


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