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First Major Photo Sale! Yay!  
User currently offlineTFSPhoto From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Howdy!

I recieved a e.mail today from a book publishers namely, www.scholasticbookfairs.com looking to use a photo of mine in a new book for chiildren called "Wild Wings". Front cover image will be:

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Photo © TFSPhoto


I sealed the deal today and the book will be published later on this year!

Cheers,

Lew  old 

Edit: VC-10, please dont delete this one?  Smile

[Edited 2005-08-10 23:13:54]

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User currently offlineLHRsunriser From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

How much Lew if you dont mind me asking? Well Done!

Cheers Dom - Capital Aviation Photography



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
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Well done Lew.
I bet it feels good when people appreciate your work enough to get it published.
Keep the great work up.
Cheers



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User currently offlineAirfly From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Congratulations!

Nice photo!

As JumboJim said it must be great having your work published!

Cheers
Lucca M.



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

They contacted me today, too, about a Goodyear blimp picture I have online at A.net. I wasn't so lucky as to get the front cover (congratulations on that!!) but I think it's totally cool a picture of mine is going to be in a children's book, especially since my 3-year-old son was with me when I took the picture. He's been nuts about blimps ever since that day, and I'm sure he'll love the book. I didn't ask for a lot of money, but getting a check of any kind for photography work is always great. It's also great to see a major book publisher perusing the Airliners.net database for material. I hope that's a trend that becomes more popular!

Here's my shot they liked:

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Photo © John E. Jauchler



[Edited 2005-08-10 23:39:57]

User currently offlineTFSPhoto From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Hi John!

I didnt ask for any money at all.. everytime i have done in the past, ive never heared from the folk again.. so this time i said

"I dont charge for my work.. but i do ask for a donation towards the cost of my equipment"

and they have been more then generous!

Dom, many thanks!

Jim! Gidday! Thanks mate!  Smile

Lew


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting TFSPhoto (Reply 5):
didnt ask for any money at all.. everytime i have done in the past, ive never heared from the folk again..

I'm not foreseeing any problems with payment - and if there is a problem, I only asked for $25 - as long as I get a copy of the book I'm pretty happy. My son should think his Dad is pretty cool. I should enjoy that while it lasts! They asked me to invoice them, so it's a little more formal than some loose promise to pay.


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Well done Lew, hope you get more.

Take care

Fergul



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User currently offlineTFSPhoto From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 6):
They asked me to invoice them, so it's a little more formal than some loose promise to pay.

Yes they also asked me, i told them i wasnt a business and had no invoiving method, they are'nt fussy.. i have to sign a 'W8' form too and send it back to them.. they are serious about this book, called "Wild Wings" which will be published later this year!

Lew


User currently offlineAGD From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Congratulations Lew. It feels good to sale a picture, especially when you sell it for a cover page, something that recently occured to me as well..nice feeling!

Well done, let's cross our fingers so you'll get a few other sales like this!

Cheers!

Alex



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User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Awesome job Lew and others that got shots selected for that book! It's always nice to see those emails. I am still waiting for payment from an advertising agency that is not very good with communication! We agreed on a price, I overnighted the file on CD...confirmed that they received. I waited 2 weeks, no check. Emailed a week ago to ask when to expect it, no answer yet!

Danny



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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

So the guy who contacted you has a photo/art budget of , let's say $5,000.00 US and he goes home to his wife and says: "honey we just got this great shot for the cover from this gent...." and she says: "how much did you pay for it dearest?" and he says "let's put it this way baby, we are going on vacation soon because the boss is going to make me vice president" and she says "whatever do you mean my darling?" and he says: "The guy just wants a donation for his equipment, maybe $25.00" and then she faints.
True story....
Congrats, but.......
Mark G


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

This is not a non profit company.
If it was a hospital or a cancer organization, I would give it to them free.
but, they are not.
they are a HUGE business...
read on from their "investor relations" page on their website.....

->>>>>>>>>With over $2 billion in revenues, Scholastic's more than 10,000 employees operate globally in education, entertainment and publishing businesses reaching children, parents and teachers. A highly trusted brand name with many businesses centered around education and learning, Scholastic's products and services include award-winning curriculum software, television shows, videos, magazines, books and toys marketed through school and home, including the Internet, direct mail, telemarketing call centers and sales forces. Scholastic is a publicly held company that trades on NASDAQ under the ticker symbol SCHL.<----------

Do what you want, but I am just letting you know how I would have handled it.....and, before I get the "all you Americans care about is money speech" think about it for a few seconds.......

Mark


User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
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Mark,

I fully understand where you are coming from and, as someone with an interest in aviation for a long time now, your name and excellent photos were familiar to me long before I began my involvement with this Forum.

I have to say I understand where Lew is coming from: every time I have had an enquiry about a photo and I have taken the 'approved' action of checking out payment issues with them, the trail has gone blank. It seems many appear to want the photos for nothing.

Can I ask what you - or any other readers - would have asked for in Lew's position? I still would really like someone to want to actually buy one of my photos - not so much because I want the money, but because it would feel a real achievement to see a photo of mine in print. But all my experience to date - not huge admittedly, but I have had a number of enquiries - is that as soon as you mention the 'f' word (in this case 'fee') the emails dry up.

I know links are often provided in such threads to 'fee sites', but personal opinion and experience is often more interesting in these discussions.

Cheers - and great news, Lew.

Paul


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

I've had the same scenario as Paul. I've asked for a reasonable amount of money and I never hear anything.

Oh well.

James



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User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting Sulman (Reply 14):
I've had the same scenario as Paul. I've asked for a reasonable amount of money and I never hear anything.

As have I... but that's only because they know that if I don't give it to them for free then someone else will.

It's very frustrating, not least becasue the sods don't even have the decency to let you know that they have gone for a freebie. The one exception to this was a recent correspondence with a Hungarian chap who wanted the use of one of my photos in his book for free. When told I was not prepared to give it for free but for a reasonable sum instead he had the decency to confirm back to me that he had no budget and would seek a free image elsewhere.

That's fine by me... I know where he stands, he knows where I stand and so long as my image is not used I'm happy.... another good reson for only uploading at 1024x... they don't look very big at 300DPI!  Wink

Cheers!

Rez
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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

It runs "dry" because of instances like this where someone says give me a photo credit, a copy of the book and a pat on the back. There are so many people on this site with so many GREAT photos and give the photos away that if I were an art director this is the place to come for free stuff.....It's when people here start to realize that it's ok to charge for their stuff.
Mark


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Lew congrats on your first sale but don't be worried about quoting a price.

I must say I was very tempted to 'give away' my photos in the early days. BUT as we all know equipment is far from free. Any business going out looking for an image WILL have a budget BUT they will try and get it for as little as possible.

If you quote a price and don't hear anything back then you have lost nothing. If you give a shot away for free then the company has found its cheapest price and the photog would submitted a price will loose out.

Hope to see you down at MAN soon.

Cheers .. Jid
P.S. I will be down there this Sat (AM)



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User currently offlineNscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Publishers have budgets set aside for artwork, especially for cover photos. Depending on the print run and what additional rights you license to the publisher, this photo should have been sold for somewhere between $850-$1200 (and that's for a small run). Art directors expect to pay for work. Let them.

Remember, this is a book that is going to be sold in bookstores and online. Therefore, the photo will also serve as an advertisement for the book itself - it will help determine whether someone picks up the book and then buys it. It often will be one of the few features of the book that one would see if purchasing it online. Put all this together and the success of the book - the number sold - will very much depend on the cover. If they are making money (presumably since they anticipate a market for the product they will make money), then why shouldn't you get some of it as well? Otherwise, you are letting a large corporation make money by using your work with no compensation.

The last time I checked, the bank won't let me deposit photo credits.

Just some food for thought.

Saul


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