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Bad Acceptance For "artistic" Angles?!?  
User currently offlineJhribar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Hi,

I recently got a few rejected pics I would like to get some feedback on.
All pictures got rejected on "Bad motive".

I would appreciate some feedback from the forum users so I can judge if it is worth another try with future pics or just not upload this kind of shots anymore.

I think this all depends on personal taste of course and is not as easy to judge as a side-on.

Thanks in advance for any response  Wink



http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/7589/crw2453lzldkmd825se.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/783/crw1861lzhmqtu154balkanholiday.jpg

Kind Regards,

Jeroen Hribar

20 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3305 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Nice shots, I am sure any art director would agree. However they don't fit the criteria that Airliners.net allows.

User currently offlineCMD777300ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

I personally like your idea/motive. It shows some aspects of the airport enviroment such as the second photograph. (Kind of like "behind the scenes of airport operations") However those photos are non-typical airliners.net photos.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

I really like the last two. Try the last one on the "other site," it probably has a good chance.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineWERNAIR From Austria, joined Aug 2003, 164 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

I think an art section on A.net would be a nice idea to host pictures like those above! MyAviation or "the other site" shouldn't be the solution...

Just my opinion!



Wernair Photography
User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Can I ask specifically what is considered bad motive on the third shot above? It is quite different from the other two, and the only things you can see are airplanes. Surely, it's a "different" crop but what's wrong with that?

User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

I like the third, that's a cracker.


James



It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Jeroen,

Those are all excellent shots!
They would fit in any magazine or publication perfectly!

Unfortunately, that doesn't mean they fit on A.net.
Too bad, cause A.net is loosing a lot of great shots like yours because of it.
A.net is running their own rules. Good or bad, that's the way it is...

Keep the great work up!


Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineKLGAviation From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 243 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Jeroen,

All of your shots are incredible, although I'm personally more fond of number two and three.

It is a shame that Airliners.net is so set on the "aviation" part of aviation photography.The photographical aspects of aviation photography have much more to offer.

Keep up the excellent work. You'll go far.

Chris



There is a fine line between a picture and a photo. The latter seems to be disappearing.
User currently offlineScooter From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

I really like the last one. Nice shot!

User currently offlineCMD777300ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

I think we've noticed all good positive replies, Jhribar. You have your own eye for photography, so don't feel bad.

User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

The 3rd shot is really outstanding. Personally, I'd appreciate to see more of such photos on a.net, among all the technically perfect shots of some A3xx or B7xx on short final at some major airport.

However, no offense intended - that's just my €0,02. Both photographers and screeners do an outstanding job here, and the pictures on a.net are far from being boring. Still, as for my liking, pictures like Jeroen's would not lower the standards of this website.


User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SCREENER

All three are great shots from a photographer who looks for something new and different. The top one I really like, though in my opinion it needs a slice taking off the top as there is too much sky .
They are not a.net photographs though.......unfortunately
Jeroen, I look forward to seeing more from you.
Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineTonimr From Spain, joined Jan 2001, 325 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Jeroen,

Royal post says it all, but summing up, I would say the first and second are bad motive because the main subject is not an aircraft. It seems that some posts have got it.

The third falls in another category: while the idea is good, I think the composition is not very correct. The Hemus Air tail logo and the engine are cropped (though I like the isolated "LZ" letters), The Balkan Holidays almost gets out of the frame.

Perhaps reframing the BH respecting the two thirds rule and moving away to get complete subjects of the tail (not just bits of it) would have given you more chances and the photo could be a good header for any Bulgarian charters article.

I'm sure that even you would be happier with the photo if you try this way

Regards!



There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting Tonimr (Reply 13):

I think you are confusing proper photography rules with a.net acceptance rules.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineTonimr From Spain, joined Jan 2001, 325 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 14):
I think you are confusing proper photography rules with a.net acceptance rules.

No Harry, I'm not.  cheerful 

If you read carefully, I mean the first and the second are NOT A.net material.

The third would be A.net material if it was photographically correct.

Toni



There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.
User currently offlineJhribar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Hi all,

first of all, thanks for your reactions.
I really appreciate this feedback!

It seems most of you like these kind of shots.
And I'm pretty sure that there are more photographers among us, trying to shoot and offer the A.Net viewers some different angles like these....which as you can see can be quite difficult  Wink

As mentioned in some replies a special section for this kind of shots could be a solution perhaps? In my opinion A.Net will not be degraded or loose viewers because of this. Judging your reactions this could be a nice addition to the database.

For the moment I will stop trying to upload these kind of shots since both screeners point out these shots don't belong on A.Net.
However I still think the "Admin" should think this over and also give the less conventional pictures a chance in the (far  Smile ) future.....

Best Regards,

Jeroen Hribar

P.S. to Toni: the 3rd shot is exactly the way I want it to be....You can not satisfy all viewers when choosing a certain composition. Some like it, some don't. This all depends on personal taste en esthetics as I already pointed out in my original post.


User currently offlineTonimr From Spain, joined Jan 2001, 325 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Quoting Jhribar (Reply 16):
P.S. to Toni: the 3rd shot is exactly the way I want it to be....You can not satisfy all viewers when choosing a certain composition. Some like it, some don't. This all depends on personal taste en esthetics as I already pointed out in my original post.

I was just giving my humble opinion according to this sentence:

Quoting Jhribar (Thread starter):
I would appreciate some feedback from the forum users

It seems I didn't understand it well  confused 



There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.
User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Quoting Sulman (Reply 6):
I like the third, that's a cracker.



Quoting Scooter (Reply 9):
I really like the last one. Nice shot!



Quoting ZakHH (Reply 11):
The 3rd shot is really outstanding.

yes, number 3 is really okay ... , the other 2 have to much people ....

Quoting Tonimr (Reply 13):
The third falls in another category: while the idea is good, I think the composition is not very correct

as said, the composition could have been better...

why not appeal number 3?

Robin



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User currently offlineJhribar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting Rotate (Reply 18):
why not appeal number 3?

Robin

Hi Robin,

I could indeed appeal No.3. The intention of my post however was not to "force" the pics through the screening. As sad I just wanted to know how the general opinion about this kind of pictures is.

The opinions tend to be more at the pro than at the con side the way I see it, however at the moment A.Net seems not the right place to be posting these pics. No hard feelings about that by the way  Wink

Thanks again guys for your response, it was really helpful

Jeroen


User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2877 times:
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Great photos - I love the first one as it creates a sense of movement and is precisely the kind of shot an artistic photographer will always find at a location, really draws the eye in.

Number two is quite interesting, number three feels rather unbalanced to me, but if your brief was for an airport operations portfolio it sure fits that well. However, that's just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

airliners.net does not profess to make a judgement about what is and is not photgraphically "correct". That would be absolutely bonkers.

We simply have some rules to create some structure in such a massive project, and those rules have to be drawn somewhere. All three images look to be outside of what airliners.net wishes to publish. That does not prevent them being good.

TZ



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